Breakfast as soon as you wake up?

Thank you ...I had heard that somewhere before and you've confirmed it for me.

Well sorry to break it to you, people usually get inaccurate facts out of fitness magazines or some other form of inaccurate media. Eating in the morning, takes energy away from your body by digesting, it slows you down, eating triggers the parasympathetic which slows down the body. How do most people feel after a huge meal? tired, lethargic... etc. Yes it's not as severe with a smaller meal, but that doesn't mean the parasympathetic nervous system isn't triggered. Eating increases insulin which can store bodyfat, this is what you want to do first thing in the morning?. The opposite of eating is not eating. If you don't eat, this will trigger the sympathetic nevous system, which releases adrenaline which will keep you alert an energetic.
Plus not eating lowers insulin levels which will release glucagon which is a fat liberating hormone, it releases fat from the body. On top of this, growth hormone is also released, which burns a lot of fat, and helps preserve muscle tissue.

Someone said "eating speeds up your metabolism?" Depends, if you eat "more calories" yes it does... But if you eat 1 meal at 2000 calories, or 10 meals at 200 calories, it has no effect on your metabolism in terms of speeding it up.

below are scientific studies to support what I have said.
breakfast slows down oxidation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10967612

fasting longer than 6hrs increses fat oxidation,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212756

fasting burns 5 times more fat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12051710

gherlin triggers Growth Hormone
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/293/3/E819.full

So wait, you're saying, uh, never eat?
cool.

i'm another one who hate to eat when i first wake up .... unfortunately i'm on medication where I need to eat - so i now have banana first thing - then often it will be lunchtime or later before I feel like eating anything again.

i dont eat at regular times either, most days i eat when i'm hungry - and often dont have my last meal until late evening. xxx

I have always believed it best to eat first thing to kick start your metabolism. This is why I am hungry by 9am and my friends who don't eat breakfast aren't hungry until lunch time.

I think I have experienced this - On both sides!!

I never used to eat breakfast, but in recent years I have started eating it, because it's what me and my son do first thing in the morning together, but I honestly think it makes me hungrier throughout the day.
I have tried to postpone breakfast now until at least 10 am because if I eat at 8am with my son I am hungry again at 9am when I have taken him to school, and that seems to carry on throughout the day. I can't break the pattern unless I leave breakfast til later in the day.
We eat cereal for breakfast, I LOVE it but I am so sure it's stopping me losing weight.
I have cut out breakfast and not eaten anything until at least 10 am and the weight has started to come off again, I feel that I am less hungry throughout the day and I'm so much more in control of what I eat, rather than craving sugary carbs.
I can still eat cereal at 10am or later and not be hungry for the rest of the day, I honestly believe having those first few hours without food helps me lose weight, not the other way round!!

I would like to say also that I am in the 'healthy' weight range, middle of healthy actually and weight loss at this level is really tough, it might be different for those who have a lot to lose, but for me and others I know in a similar situation there seems to be some pattern here.

I think also the food you eat at breakfast will effect your metabolism, so if you eat grapefruit and coffee at breakfast this WILL aid your metabolism, but sugary cereal might not.
Purely based on the effects these foods have on the body and how the body is forced to process them.

Be interesting to see if anyone can produce any solid facts on this subject to support a theory, this is my person experience only.

Either way good luck!!! :drinker:

Im the same, If I eat as soon as I get up I feel terribly hungry all day. I know that it goes against what we're told to do but Ive had to change my eating times so that i dont eat all day every day. I have breakfast at about 10.30/11am, lunch is at 3.30pm and dinner is at 8/9pm. I then go to bed at 11/12pm. However I don't feel the need to snack all day I just have my 3 meals and maybe a snack or 2 if Ive been working out hard to keep my calories up.

Meal timing, size, and frequency are largely irrelevant in the context of proper daily nutrition and offer no metabolic advantages. It does not change your total daily expenditure.

I can't stomach any food unless I've been awake for at least an hour.

Same here--my stomach is temperamental-- If I eat too early I get sick- If I eat too late, I get sick. I usually eat something within an hour to an hour and a half of waking up

Thank you ...I had heard that somewhere before and you've confirmed it for me.

Well sorry to break it to you, people usually get inaccurate facts out of fitness magazines or some other form of inaccurate media. Eating in the morning, takes energy away from your body by digesting, it slows you down, eating triggers the parasympathetic which slows down the body. How do most people feel after a huge meal? tired, lethargic... etc. Yes it's not as severe with a smaller meal, but that doesn't mean the parasympathetic nervous system isn't triggered. Eating increases insulin which can store bodyfat, this is what you want to do first thing in the morning?. The opposite of eating is not eating. If you don't eat, this will trigger the sympathetic nevous system, which releases adrenaline which will keep you alert an energetic.
Plus not eating lowers insulin levels which will release glucagon which is a fat liberating hormone, it releases fat from the body. On top of this, growth hormone is also released, which burns a lot of fat, and helps preserve muscle tissue.

Someone said "eating speeds up your metabolism?" Depends, if you eat "more calories" yes it does... But if you eat 1 meal at 2000 calories, or 10 meals at 200 calories, it has no effect on your metabolism in terms of speeding it up.

below are scientific studies to support what I have said.
breakfast slows down oxidation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10967612

fasting longer than 6hrs increses fat oxidation,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212756

fasting burns 5 times more fat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12051710

gherlin triggers Growth Hormone
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/293/3/E819.full

So wait, you're saying, uh, never eat?
cool.

Ask yourself this mind boggling question. "Is it possible to eat without eating breakfast?"

I have no idea what the "right" answer is, but if I work out in the morning (which I am not very good at) I eat after--I read somewhere that you burn more fat that way plus exercising on a full stomache makes me queasy. And if I don't not until I have drank my coffee, I take the train so I probably eat about an hour after I wake up.

It's amazing how many different scientifically proven facts contradict eachother. It's annoying and confusing.
I wake up about 630...coffee and a snack(kashi bar, protein shake, peanut butter toast...), then gym. Come home from the gym and have a high protein breakfast (protein shake, eggs and spinach, oatmeal with protein powder...)

I FEEL best this way. Right or wrong. My husband knows that if I don't eat within 30-40 min of waking up.....WATCH OUT! I get hungry and a lil grumpy:grumble: lol.

Exactly, it should always come down to personal preference and convenience. My hunger is CONTROLLED by NOT eating breakfast, eating a modest lunch and then eating a very large dinner.



In regards to cortisol, taken from the LG website:



8. Myth: Fasting increases cortisol.


Truth


Cortisol is a steroid hormone that maintains blood pressure, regulates the immune system and helps break down proteins, glucose and lipids. It's a hormone that's gotten quite a bad rep in the fitness and health community but we have it for a reason. The morning peak in cortisol makes us get out of bed and get going. A blunted morning cortisol peak is associated with lethargy and depression. Cortisol is elevated during exercise, which helps mobilize fats, increase performance and experience euphoria after and during workouts. Trying to suppress acute elevations of cortisol during exercise, or the normal diurnal rhythm, is foolish. Chronically elevated levels of cortisol, resulting from psychological and/or physiological stress, is another thing and unquestionably bad for your health; it increases protein breakdown, appetite and may lead to depression.

Short-term fasting has no effect on average cortisol levels and this is an area that has been extensively studied in the context of Ramadan fasting. Cortisol typically follows a diurnal variation, which means that its levels peak in the morning at around 8 a.m. and decline in the evenings. What changes during Ramadan is simply the cortisol rhythm, average levels across 24 hours remain unchanged.

In one Ramadan study on rugby players, subjects lost fat and retained muscle very well. And they did despite training in a dehydrated state, without pre-workout or post-workout protein intake, and with a lower protein intake overall nonetheless. Quoting directly from the paper:

"Body mass decreased significantly and progressively over the 4-week period; fat was lost, but lean tissue was conserved..."

"...Plasma urea concentrations actually decreased during Ramadan, supporting the view that there was no increase of endogenous protein metabolism to compensate for the decreased protein intake."

In one study on intermittent fasting, the fasting group even saw "significant decrease in concentrations of cortisol." However, this study should be taken with a grain of salt as it had some flaws in study design.

In conclusion, the belief that fasting increases cortisol, which then might cause all kinds of mischief such as muscle loss, has no scientific basis whatsoever.

Origin


Prolonged fasting or severe calorie restriction causes elevated baseline levels of cortisol. This occurs in conjunction with depletion of liver glycogen, as cortisol speeds up DNG, which is necessary to maintain blood sugar in absence of dietary carbs, protein, or stored glycogen. Again, it seems someone looked at what happens during starvation and took that to mean that short-term fasting is bad.