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honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
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honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
Well, OP did say she's try it.
OP, people will keep advising you to use one because they won't read through the entire thread and see that you said you'd give it a try. Don't get frustrated when you see this.0 -
schibsted750 wrote: »Weighing food takes a lot less time than you think. I thought it was going to take a long time, too, but it doesn't. We're talking a matter of seconds, definitely less than one minute per meal.
Yup. I weigh nearly everything for every meal and have for almost a year. I have 2 little kids and a full-time job. If it were time consuming, I would NOT do it.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
well if she wants to figure out why she gained weight rather than losing weight, its a viable solution - whether she finds it convenient or sustainable in the long run.. never said she had to do it for life. a food scale is a lot more accurate than using a measuring cup or "eyeballing" portions.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
Well, OP did say she's try it.
OP, people will keep advising you to use one because they won't read through the entire thread and see that you said you'd give it a try. Don't get frustrated when you see this.
actually i read the whole thread before posting - thanks though.
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schibsted750 wrote: »Weighing food takes a lot less time than you think. I thought it was going to take a long time, too, but it doesn't. We're talking a matter of seconds, definitely less than one minute per meal.
Yup. I weigh nearly everything for every meal and have for almost a year. I have 2 little kids and a full-time job. If it were time consuming, I would NOT do it.
What and how you eat/cook makes a huge difference though. Whether you eat the same foods/meals frequently. Whether you cook from recipes. How much prepackaged food you use. Stuff like that.0 -
God. 1ml = 1 gram only if you are measuring water. Otherwise 1 ml is not 1 gram. Gram is unit of mass. Ml is unit of volume. You need to take density into account when converting.
1 ml = 1 cubic cm
1ml of flour = 0.57 grams
1ml of milk = 1.03 grams
1ml of butter = 0.91 grams0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
well if she wants to figure out why she gained weight rather than losing weight, its a viable solution - whether she finds it convenient or sustainable in the long run.. never said she had to do it for life. a food scale is a lot more accurate than using a measuring cup or "eyeballing" portions.
It is a viable solution IF she gained fat. But it's not the only one.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
well if she wants to figure out why she gained weight rather than losing weight, its a viable solution - whether she finds it convenient or sustainable in the long run.. never said she had to do it for life. a food scale is a lot more accurate than using a measuring cup or "eyeballing" portions.
It is a viable solution IF she gained fat. But it's not the only one.In love with Orangetheory workouts, but really bummed with results. I've been going 3-4 times per week for over 4 months. Gained 4 lbs and 1% body fat. My diet is pretty clean and hasn't changed. So I'm burning more calories than prior to starting OTF. Is this my body adapting and it will change? Suggestions? Just makes no sense to gain weight and fat doing this workout.
she already said she has.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
Well, OP did say she's try it.
OP, people will keep advising you to use one because they won't read through the entire thread and see that you said you'd give it a try. Don't get frustrated when you see this.
actually i read the whole thread before posting - thanks though.
Not directed at any specific person. It's a general statement of fact that a lot of people don't read through a thread. I was just trying to alleviate the OP's frustration at being told the same thing over and over again after she'd already agreed to give it a try.
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also this conversation happens time and time again on MFP
those that try the scale approach invariably come back and say they never realised how many calories they were actually eating
it's mind-blowing
you're not unusual .. you are like most people .. we all think we know better, personal proof is your only option
so much this. I stalled for a long time before I finally started weighing my food and started losing again.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
well if she wants to figure out why she gained weight rather than losing weight, its a viable solution - whether she finds it convenient or sustainable in the long run.. never said she had to do it for life. a food scale is a lot more accurate than using a measuring cup or "eyeballing" portions.
It is a viable solution IF she gained fat. But it's not the only one.In love with Orangetheory workouts, but really bummed with results. I've been going 3-4 times per week for over 4 months. Gained 4 lbs and 1% body fat. My diet is pretty clean and hasn't changed. So I'm burning more calories than prior to starting OTF. Is this my body adapting and it will change? Suggestions? Just makes no sense to gain weight and fat doing this workout.
she already said she has.
Weight gain is not always fat. And Bod Pod has more than a 1% margin of error, so maybe she did and maybe not.
It's quite possible that she's simply retaining water from a new workout and her BF% hasn't changed at all.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
well if she wants to figure out why she gained weight rather than losing weight, its a viable solution - whether she finds it convenient or sustainable in the long run.. never said she had to do it for life. a food scale is a lot more accurate than using a measuring cup or "eyeballing" portions.
It is a viable solution IF she gained fat. But it's not the only one.In love with Orangetheory workouts, but really bummed with results. I've been going 3-4 times per week for over 4 months. Gained 4 lbs and 1% body fat. My diet is pretty clean and hasn't changed. So I'm burning more calories than prior to starting OTF. Is this my body adapting and it will change? Suggestions? Just makes no sense to gain weight and fat doing this workout.
she already said she has.
Weight gain is not always fat. And Bod Pod has more than a 1% margin of error, so maybe she did and maybe not.
It's quite possible that she's simply retaining water from a new workout and her BF% hasn't changed at all.
That's certainly possible, though after 4 months, I would tend to discount the "new workout" factor.0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
well if she wants to figure out why she gained weight rather than losing weight, its a viable solution - whether she finds it convenient or sustainable in the long run.. never said she had to do it for life. a food scale is a lot more accurate than using a measuring cup or "eyeballing" portions.
It is a viable solution IF she gained fat. But it's not the only one.In love with Orangetheory workouts, but really bummed with results. I've been going 3-4 times per week for over 4 months. Gained 4 lbs and 1% body fat. My diet is pretty clean and hasn't changed. So I'm burning more calories than prior to starting OTF. Is this my body adapting and it will change? Suggestions? Just makes no sense to gain weight and fat doing this workout.
she already said she has.
Weight gain is not always fat. And Bod Pod has more than a 1% margin of error, so maybe she did and maybe not.
It's quite possible that she's simply retaining water from a new workout and her BF% hasn't changed at all.
That's certainly possible, though after 4 months, I would tend to discount the "new workout" factor.
Fair enough. Though there are certainly many other reasons to gain water weight. Especially for a woman.0 -
Ah, covered, never mind!0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »honestly use a food scale.. you're fighting everyone here who is trying to help you claiming you know portion control. clearly you don't know it as well as you think you do since you believe that 1/2 cup measuring cup filled will always weight the same in grams.
So what? None of it is 100% accurate. Not everyone finds using a food scale to be convenient or something sustainable for them. When keep pushing it on someone that doesn't want it as if it is the one and only way to lose weight?
well if she wants to figure out why she gained weight rather than losing weight, its a viable solution - whether she finds it convenient or sustainable in the long run.. never said she had to do it for life. a food scale is a lot more accurate than using a measuring cup or "eyeballing" portions.
It is a viable solution IF she gained fat. But it's not the only one.In love with Orangetheory workouts, but really bummed with results. I've been going 3-4 times per week for over 4 months. Gained 4 lbs and 1% body fat. My diet is pretty clean and hasn't changed. So I'm burning more calories than prior to starting OTF. Is this my body adapting and it will change? Suggestions? Just makes no sense to gain weight and fat doing this workout.
she already said she has.
Weight gain is not always fat. And Bod Pod has more than a 1% margin of error, so maybe she did and maybe not.
It's quite possible that she's simply retaining water from a new workout and her BF% hasn't changed at all.
That's certainly possible, though after 4 months, I would tend to discount the "new workout" factor.
Fair enough. Though there are certainly many other reasons to gain water weight. Especially for a woman.
True enough.0 -
schibsted750 wrote: »The thing is the scale, calorie count still does not answer the question since my eating habits have not changed.
Let's assume all the pounds you gained were fat. There are 3500 calories in a pound of fat, so that means you ate 14000 excess calories in the 4 month period. Divided by 120 days that's 120 extra calories day.
120 calories is a relatively small number. To put things in perspective, it's a little more than the number of calories in a single banana, and a little less than the number in two cups of skim milk. You can't realistically expect to notice a fluctuation of that size without taking precise measurements. It's even harder if the surplus was distributed unevenly, say during all your post-workout meals. When you're eating after a workout you intuitively feel that there's nothing wrong with having a little more than normal, but as you can see, it's quite easy to overshoot the mark.
wow I have never really thought about it this way, makes perfect sense...but it helps to see it broken down. I could have one extra slice of cheese everyday and boom 4 pounds! love the breakdown,thanks.
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Indeed.
And if we accept everything else OP says as being accurate, we have a good idea of her portion control too: it's probably higher than she thinks. That's just how this process works.0 -
In love with Orangetheory workouts, but really bummed with results. I've been going 3-4 times per week for over 4 months. Gained 4 lbs and 1% body fat. My diet is pretty clean and hasn't changed. So I'm burning more calories than prior to starting OTF. Is this my body adapting and it will change? Suggestions? Just makes no sense to gain weight and fat doing this workout.jofjltncb6 wrote: »
Indeed.
And if we accept everything else OP says as being accurate, we have a good idea of her portion control too: it's probably higher than she thinks. That's just how this process works.
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I think it's difficult in these forums to convey thoughts as clearly as you think you are in your mind. And the tone in which you intend to deliver them. I got the messages loud and clear and I intend to buy a scale. I think we can safely put this to rest. Thank you to all. Especially those who were kind.0
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Pretty much what everyone has said. Calories in vs Calories out is weight loss/gain. Thermodynamics is a fundamental law, and if you have gained weight you ARE in a caloric surplus. This is as set in stone as the earth is round or that objects that have mass have gravitational attraction.
So, why are you in a (small) caloric surplus is the question. Some possibilities (in order of probability):
1) Eating more than you think - 4lbs over 4 months is a very subtle change in weight. A couple extra grams here of this, and a couple extra here of that (which you couldn't necessarily detect even if you were trying to measure out cups) easily could account for this difference. 10g of fat would be adding an extra 90 calories each day, and would be almost completely undetectable to the naked eye.
Add up all these across the day and who knows. Yes, you're eating within 300 kcal +/- what you think you are averaging, but there is solid uncertainty there, MORE than enough to account for the weight gain.
2)This depends on exactly how much your workouts are. If you're slaving away at 2 hour workouts this doesn't apply, but many people when they work out compensate unnoticed afterwords and in between by being more sedentary or even less fidgeting than usual. This difference in NEAT could also create that subtle difference in calories we are dealing with.
3)Your scale has gone off calibration and is now reading higher even though you weigh the same.
4)Your body is able to violate the laws of physics that govern the universe.
No real other possibilities. If you're burning more than before (highly likely, but not 100% guaranteed), then the only remaining possibility is that you're consuming more food than you were before.
What's the solution? Probably what everybody else said, grab that food scale and verify. If, after a few weeks you've dialed in at 1500 kcal and weight is still constant/rising, then reconsider #2. 99% chance #1 is the culprit.
PS: Finding time to weight food is not hard. It takes for sure less than 60 seconds to weigh food for a given meal. Often it takes about 10 seconds.0 -
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OP, if you are a creature of habit, it won't take long to weigh out and pre-package your favourite meals. Then you aren't weighing everything at every meal.
See this as a troubleshooting exercise. You don't know if calories are the answer, and measuring your food for a month will let you know for sure if this is the issue.0 -
I think it's difficult in these forums to convey thoughts as clearly as you think you are in your mind. And the tone in which you intend to deliver them. I got the messages loud and clear and I intend to buy a scale. I think we can safely put this to rest. Thank you to all. Especially those who were kind.
Looking forward to your inevitable newfound success as a result...
...and then you can join the chorus preaching the good news of measured consumption in the forums.
You can even be one of the "kind" ones if you choose...
...whatever that means.
(Food for thought: perhaps those you interpreted as being unkind just struggled to clearly convey their thoughts? Or perhaps you read tone into the message that wasn't actually there?)0 -
I used to think I knew enough about portions and healthy food to know that calories were not my problem. I too would argue with people when they gave me advice I didn't like. Then I realised that if I respected them people whose opinions I was asking enough to ask them, then it seemed kinda dumb to not at least give their advice a try. As it turned out they were right.
OP. Stop being so resistant. If you really do want help at least be willing to give the advice a shot. EVERYONE here is giving you the same advice. Get a scale and use it. What do you have to lose besides the weight you gained doing it your way?
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shadowfax_c11 wrote: »OP. Stop being so resistant. If you really do want help at least be willing to give the advice a shot. EVERYONE here is giving you the same advice. Get a scale and use it. What do you have to lose besides the weight you gained doing it your way?I got the messages loud and clear and I intend to buy a scale. I think we can safely put this to rest. Thank you to all. Especially those who were kind.0
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