There are 'BAD' foods
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GuitarJerry wrote: »Why do people have to black and white about this? All food is good. All of it.
Unless it has mold growing on it, or smells like something died. Or fell on the floor and is now covered in dog fur.0 -
MommyL2015 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »Why do people have to black and white about this? All food is good. All of it.
Unless it has mold growing on it, or smells like something died. Or fell on the floor and is now covered in dog fur.
what about 10 second rule?0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »you guys are making me laugh. honestly if i was on a desert island with cottage cheese, celery, avocados, olives. i would eat the sand. ha
mmm minerals
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suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.0 -
susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
I don't typically quiz the obese people I meet on how they gained their weight. How would I know?
That said, if someone eats vegetables as part of a diet that exceeds their energy consumption they will gain weight. If I burn 2,000 calories a day and eat 2,200, it isn't like my body is turning specific foods to fat. I gain weight because my total energy consumption is less than what I'm eating. It isn't like the vegetables are "free" foods. It's all contributing.0 -
susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
I gained weight with smoothies. Why? because i was eating/drinking more calories than i was burning.
I still eat cheeseburgers, and cake, and other "junk" foods. I just eat within my calorie allotment0 -
HappyCampr1 wrote: »susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
I don't think some foods are bad for me, but I do think there are plenty of foods which I consider not to be worth it to me. There are frequently times when I wish to eat something and decide that it would just be too much work to make that item fit into my day. Or that if I ate it now, I'd end up starving later because I'd be out of calories. That doesn't make the food bad. It just makes it a food that I don't waste my calories on.
As for obese people getting fat on vegetables... Ten pounds a year is only 100 calories a day above maintenance. You do that for decades and yes...there are people who just eat too much in general. Not necessarily that they ate too much junk. My husband and I used to split everything 50/50. That's how I got fat.
Splitting 50/50 with my OH was how I got fat + matching him alcohol wise
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susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
It would be pretty difficult to gain weight eating only vegetables, I think. I've never met anyone that did that. But it is not hard to gain weight eating a lot of vegetables or a lot of foods normally deemed healthy.
I don't eat a lot of bad foods (my definition - chips, candy, ice cream, pastries, premade meals/foods, processed meats, most fast food).
I gained weight eating mostly whole natural foods, much of it organic. My problem is fat, specifically the ultra-healthy extra virgin olive oil. Olive oil is a 'good food' IMO, but I can easily overeat it.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Thank you. And there is nothing saying you can't eat bad/crap/junk foods occasionally and be perfectly healthy from a nutritional and weight perspective.
Knowing what they are and control of one's input of bad/crap foods is the key.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
It would be pretty difficult to gain weight eating only vegetables, I think. I've never met anyone that did that. But it is not hard to gain weight eating a lot of vegetables or a lot of foods normally deemed healthy.
I don't eat a lot of bad foods (my definition - chips, candy, ice cream, pastries, premade meals/foods, processed meats, most fast food).
I gained weight eating mostly whole natural foods, much of it organic. My problem is fat, specifically the ultra-healthy extra virgin olive oil. Olive oil is a 'good food' IMO, but I can easily overeat it.
and yet. A study found 29% of vegans in a sample pop. are overweight or obese...
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/6/1267/T1.expansion.html
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Wow. I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are no bad foods. Seriously? Maybe we have different ideas of what "bad" means, but I thought we could all agree that artificial sweetners and processed meats that cause cancer are "bad".0
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I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are bad foods.0
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CeciliaBobilia wrote: »Wow. I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are no bad foods. Seriously? Maybe we have different ideas of what "bad" means, but I thought we could all agree that artificial sweetners and processed meats that cause cancer are "bad".
Wow, indeed!0 -
I'm always interested in these types of threads which comments are acknowledged and which aren't. The OP seems to want nothing to do with my contributions in favor of arguing with others and we've covered the cancer meats pretty heavily already. Going around in circles.0
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
It would be pretty difficult to gain weight eating only vegetables, I think. I've never met anyone that did that. But it is not hard to gain weight eating a lot of vegetables or a lot of foods normally deemed healthy.
I don't eat a lot of bad foods (my definition - chips, candy, ice cream, pastries, premade meals/foods, processed meats, most fast food).
I gained weight eating mostly whole natural foods, much of it organic. My problem is fat, specifically the ultra-healthy extra virgin olive oil. Olive oil is a 'good food' IMO, but I can easily overeat it.
and yet. A study found 29% of vegans in a sample pop. are overweight or obese...
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/6/1267/T1.expansion.html
Vegans do eat more than just vegetables.
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janejellyroll wrote: »susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
I don't typically quiz the obese people I meet on how they gained their weight. How would I know?
That said, if someone eats vegetables as part of a diet that exceeds their energy consumption they will gain weight. If I burn 2,000 calories a day and eat 2,200, it isn't like my body is turning specific foods to fat. I gain weight because my total energy consumption is less than what I'm eating. It isn't like the vegetables are "free" foods. It's all contributing.
Speak to a doctor or nutritionist about the food log of their obese patients. I doubt they would respond any of the logs they reviewed would show the patient got to that state eating too many fruits ir vegetables.
Too many Cokes cakes, chips, Cookies coupled with too little activity will be the cause.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
It would be pretty difficult to gain weight eating only vegetables, I think. I've never met anyone that did that. But it is not hard to gain weight eating a lot of vegetables or a lot of foods normally deemed healthy.
I don't eat a lot of bad foods (my definition - chips, candy, ice cream, pastries, premade meals/foods, processed meats, most fast food).
I gained weight eating mostly whole natural foods, much of it organic. My problem is fat, specifically the ultra-healthy extra virgin olive oil. Olive oil is a 'good food' IMO, but I can easily overeat it.
and yet. A study found 29% of vegans in a sample pop. are overweight or obese...
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/6/1267/T1.expansion.html
But vegans don't eat ONLY vegetables. As I've often seen pointed out on MFP, Oreos are vegan.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
I don't typically quiz the obese people I meet on how they gained their weight. How would I know?
That said, if someone eats vegetables as part of a diet that exceeds their energy consumption they will gain weight. If I burn 2,000 calories a day and eat 2,200, it isn't like my body is turning specific foods to fat. I gain weight because my total energy consumption is less than what I'm eating. It isn't like the vegetables are "free" foods. It's all contributing.
Speak to a doctor or nutritionist about the food log of their obese patients. I doubt they would respond any of the logs they reviewed would show the patient got to that state eating too many fruits ir vegetables.
Too many Cokes cakes, chips, Cookies coupled with too little activity will be the cause.
No it won't be. Consuming too many calories was the cause. acaloriecounter.com/blog/why-am-i-not-losing-weight/0 -
TheBeachgod wrote: »I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are bad foods.
LOL And I feel the exact opposite.
I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are not bad foods.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
I don't typically quiz the obese people I meet on how they gained their weight. How would I know?
That said, if someone eats vegetables as part of a diet that exceeds their energy consumption they will gain weight. If I burn 2,000 calories a day and eat 2,200, it isn't like my body is turning specific foods to fat. I gain weight because my total energy consumption is less than what I'm eating. It isn't like the vegetables are "free" foods. It's all contributing.
Speak to a doctor or nutritionist about the food log of their obese patients. I doubt they would respond any of the logs they reviewed would show the patient got to that state eating too many fruits ir vegetables.
Too many Cokes cakes, chips, Cookies coupled with too little activity will be the cause.
I believe the cause would be calories consumed in excess of what the body needs. While it's true that soda, cakes, chips, and cookies are calorie-dense foods that make it easy to consume a lot of calories, eating anything in excess of what the body needs will cause weight gain. Even fruits and vegetables.0 -
CeciliaBobilia wrote: »Wow. I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are no bad foods. Seriously? Maybe we have different ideas of what "bad" means, but I thought we could all agree that artificial sweetners and processed meats that cause cancer are "bad".
What artificial sweetener causes cancer?
As to processed meats, the over consumption increases the risk of cancer but the data also show no significant increase at low consumption. So...0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are bad foods.
LOL And I feel the exact opposite.
I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are not bad foods.
I stated my reasoning back in this thread and calling me naive because of it is insulting. You may not care about my mental health, but I have to. And falling into the good food/bad food trap affects it immensely.0 -
.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are bad foods.
LOL And I feel the exact opposite.
I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are not bad foods.
Which is why I started this thread Need2Exercise.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »susan100df wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suziecue20 wrote: »So come on, admit it folks, there are 'bad' foods.
I have no problem admitting it. I call foods good and bad all the time. Bad, crap, junk. I've never had anyone IRL ask we what I meant by those terms. They know. We all know.
Only on MFP have I encountered the militant phenomenon of "no food is bad". I think it's whacky thinking. Not determining that some foods are bad is how I got into this predicament to begin with. And if I have a prayer of maintaining my loss, I have to continue thinking that some foods are bad for me.
Are there obese people that gained their weight via vegetables? I've never met one.
It would be pretty difficult to gain weight eating only vegetables, I think. I've never met anyone that did that. But it is not hard to gain weight eating a lot of vegetables or a lot of foods normally deemed healthy.
I don't eat a lot of bad foods (my definition - chips, candy, ice cream, pastries, premade meals/foods, processed meats, most fast food).
I gained weight eating mostly whole natural foods, much of it organic. My problem is fat, specifically the ultra-healthy extra virgin olive oil. Olive oil is a 'good food' IMO, but I can easily overeat it.
and yet. A study found 29% of vegans in a sample pop. are overweight or obese...
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/6/1267/T1.expansion.html
But vegans don't eat ONLY vegetables. As I've often seen pointed out on MFP, Oreos are vegan.
Most assuredly. I've also yet to meet someone that eats ONLY vegetables, is highly active and is healthy.0 -
Trans-fat. That ain't good, must be bad.
That's all I'll give you.
HFCS... meh. Moderation.0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »I'm always interested in these types of threads which comments are acknowledged and which aren't. The OP seems to want nothing to do with my contributions in favor of arguing with others and we've covered the cancer meats pretty heavily already. Going around in circles.
I agree. There have been times where I wonder if my posts have suddenly gone invisible when I can put a lot of time and thought into preparing a logical response, and I get no comments at all. I can see you @diannethegeek, just in case you were wondering.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are bad foods.
LOL And I feel the exact opposite.
I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are not bad foods.
So which foods are bad? Name them and there's a thousand people who don't feel that way and another thousand who will tell you some of the foods you think are "good" are bad.
The fact we can argue about this for so many pages, with a good dose of woo in here too to argue for "bad" foods, shows there is no such thing. It's just as arbitrary as clean and all that other stuff where ten people will have ten different ideas of what it means.0 -
There are no BAD foods - just bad behaviors towards certain foods.0
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diannethegeek wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »TheBeachgod wrote: »I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are bad foods.
LOL And I feel the exact opposite.
I am absolutely flabbergasted that anyone could be so naive as to say there are not bad foods.
I stated my reasoning back in this thread and calling me naive because of it is insulting. You may not care about my mental health, but I have to. And falling into the good food/bad food trap affects it immensely.
For me putting a label on the food has no direct impact upon me. I use the word "bad" with food to denote which foods that I find highly unpalatable...such as...cottage cheese, boiled okra, liver, seaweed...etc...etc.
I think that most people IRL associate the words good/bad/junk/healthy/unhealthy with foods based on their own preferences. Unless someone is or has experienced an eating disorder they are just words that divide food in to subgroups. They use them as way to categorize the foods in their diet.
As long as people leave my plate of food alone I really see no reason to be upset about the terminology that other people use.0
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