Need Feedback on This new diet I created for myself

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  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    edited January 2016
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    My thought was getting to a healthy weight was priority number 1 then I can maintain as I work on the glamour muscles. I'm already fairly muscular just have to drop this excess

    If you are at a unhealthy weight, then it's the fat -- not the muscle -- that is the problem. Muscles aren't just for "glamour." Why would you want to lose more of them than absolutely necessary?

    Losing muscle mass won't make you any healthier.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    My thought was getting to a healthy weight was priority number 1 then I can maintain as I work on the glamour muscles. I'm already fairly muscular just have to drop this excess

    @ninerbuff care to address this?
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    You guys are so concerned with the muscle loss. I do not care. At this point I am trying to lose weight, period. If some muscle is lost in the process oh well. Just forget about that.

    And for those concerned about my spending, any supplements, shakes, etc that is part of my diet is acceptable. Hence the 'living'.

    Y'all really know how to get off topic around here.
  • kami3006
    kami3006 Posts: 4,979 Member
    It is much harder to put on muscle than it is to retain it. You're setting yourself up to lose a significant more amount of muscle than you need to by eating so few calories (not eating back exercise calories) and not adding in some resistance work.

    The most successful eating plans are the ones you plan to do forever. Eat how you both like and plan to while watching your calories and macros.
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    I'm not eating so few calories

    Ex: Goal Daily Cal intake : 1700 + 900 Exercise - actual intake 2000 cal

    I end up 600 in the green
  • tulips_and_tea
    tulips_and_tea Posts: 5,744 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    I'm trying to picture what a "more douche like muscle building type approach" is and failing.

    Same here. I'd love to know exactly what that plan is like.
  • sheermomentum
    sheermomentum Posts: 827 Member
    Ok, so you're 5 foot 10, 220 pounds, and I'm guessing your age at 30, which is probably a little high. You exercise (at least) 5 days a week for at least 30 minutes. So I calculate your TDEE at 3200 calories/day. You are eating (at least) 1600 calories per day, which makes your deficit (at least) 1600 calories per day. This is higher than necessary for the 1.5 pound per week loss than is your goal. Also higher than most people would consider healthy or desirable for long term results. I agree that the shakes are probably going to make it harder in the long run because you're not teaching yourself anything about how to eat well without them.

    This basically sounds to me like the slimfast diet that was so popular a decade or two back. Pretty sure you can do better for yourself.
  • kami3006
    kami3006 Posts: 4,979 Member
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    I'm not eating so few calories

    Ex: Goal Daily Cal intake : 1700 + 900 Exercise - actual intake 2000 cal

    I end up 600 in the green

    600 in the green would be 600 plus your preset deficit. Your net should be close to zero.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    I'm not eating so few calories

    Ex: Goal Daily Cal intake : 1700 + 900 Exercise - actual intake 2000 cal

    I end up 600 in the green

    600 in the green means 600 less than you were supposed to for losing at a normal rate. (assuming the exercise calories were correct)
  • sheermomentum
    sheermomentum Posts: 827 Member
    edited January 2016
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    You guys are so concerned with the muscle loss. I do not care. At this point I am trying to lose weight, period. If some muscle is lost in the process oh well. Just forget about that.

    And for those concerned about my spending, any supplements, shakes, etc that is part of my diet is acceptable. Hence the 'living'.

    Y'all really know how to get off topic around here.

    so...what sort of feedback were you looking, for, exactly? This all does seem like legitimate feedback to me.

    Also, lose the fat then add the muscle back does not make perfect sense, no, because when you add back muscle, you're going to also have to add back some fat in the process, and then, presumably, lose it again. So it would be easier for you in the long run to try to preserve as much muscle as you can NOW, because it will prevent you from having to add back more fat as you add more muscle when you bulk for a longer time later.
  • daniwilford
    daniwilford Posts: 1,030 Member
    Speaking for myself, I am concerned about your diet and muscle loss because when I have done similar things I became very ill. Most of us have to work very hard to gain muscle and pay for 'living' expenses.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    edited January 2016
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    You guys are so concerned with the muscle loss. I do not care. At this point I am trying to lose weight, period. If some muscle is lost in the process oh well. Just forget about that.

    And for those concerned about my spending, any supplements, shakes, etc that is part of my diet is acceptable. Hence the 'living'.

    Y'all really know how to get off topic around here.

    You asked what people thought. We told you. You then decided you didn't care what people here thought.

    I guess we're done here?
  • kami3006
    kami3006 Posts: 4,979 Member
    Also, I think it's fantastic that you're eager to get it done and make the changes you need to. All of the feedback here is meant to assist you, not to bash you. People here like seeing others succeed.
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    What I have gained from this is that supplements are worthless, if my goal intake is 1700+900 then I should be eating 2600 calories per day, and that anyone that tries to find a diet that they enjoy, where I can eat what I want most of the time, while still maintaining macros and nutrient intake and creating a deficit will be dealt with, scorched earth policy.

    I'll just let y'all know how it goes.

  • kami3006
    kami3006 Posts: 4,979 Member
    "Need Feedback on This new diet I created for myself" is the title of your thread.
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    Thanks Kami your feedback was great
  • maytehsp0rksbewithy0u
    maytehsp0rksbewithy0u Posts: 26 Member
    edited January 2016
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    My thought was getting to a healthy weight was priority number 1 then I can maintain as I work on the glamour muscles. I'm already fairly muscular just have to drop this excess

    If you are at a unhealthy weight, then it's the fat -- not the muscle -- that is the problem. Muscles aren't just for "glamour." Why would you want to lose more of them than absolutely necessary?

    Losing muscle mass won't make you any healthier.

    I'm just going to explain this in a little bit more depth from the perspective of a healthcare professional/competitive powerlifter. When you have too sharp of a deficit, your body begins to use the protein in your muscles for energy. This catabolism of muscle isn't compensated for and thus you lose muscle mass. When you lose muscle mass your TDEE goes below expected for your age/gender/weight/height. Not only that, proteins are important in many other processes of your body that they can't be utilized for when your body has to resort to using it for energy.

    This is part of the reason that yo-yo dieting occurs. When you're "done" with this diet, your energy expenditure will be much lower than someone of the same height/weight. This means that you'll have to resort to eating lower calories than you would want/what calorie calculators will predict for you in order to maintain your weight.

    Also, it is MUCH more difficult to gain muscle than it is to lose it and just eating in a surplus and lifting weights will not give you only muscle. In order to gain muscle, you will also have to gain fat. That is why people do bulk/cut cycles. This means that you will have to diet all over again in order to lose the fat you gain while trying to gain, "glamour muscles" in your "douche" routine.

    You asked for advice so it would probably be best to listen to it.
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    Thank you for your helpful input, am I to assume that it is harder to maintain weight than to lose it? Also, my calorie input is mostly protein, and I do not see how it is helpful for me to eat almost 3000 calories per day when I feel great hovering around 2000. I don't feel tired or hungry
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    Sorry, protein and fruit***
  • paultucker1007
    paultucker1007 Posts: 37 Member
    Reads to me like you just want someone to pat you on the head and tell you your plan is brilliant, or say nothing at all.

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  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    Thank you Paul
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    The fitness community is SAVAGE I tell you.
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    edited January 2016
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    What I have gained from this is that supplements are worthless, if my goal intake is 1700+900 then I should be eating 2600 calories per day, and that anyone that tries to find a diet that they enjoy, where I can eat what I want most of the time, while still maintaining macros and nutrient intake and creating a deficit will be dealt with, scorched earth policy.

    I'll just let y'all know how it goes.

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  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited January 2016
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    The fitness community is SAVAGE I tell you.

    Agreed, if "savage" means telling people the truth even when they don't want to hear/believe it.
  • DrifterBear
    DrifterBear Posts: 265 Member
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    Thank you for your helpful input, am I to assume that it is harder to maintain weight than to lose it? Also, my calorie input is mostly protein, and I do not see how it is helpful for me to eat almost 3000 calories per day when I feel great hovering around 2000. I don't feel tired or hungry

    Just watch how much you loose each week. As long as it's under 2 maybe 3 lbs you'll be fine. Your workout probably isn't 900 cal so I would bet you're not under eating as much as it seems. Most workout estimators seem to over calculate. I agree, as along as you're honestly feeling good you can probably stick with it. It really only becomes a problem when you are so hungry that everything falls apart. Try to develop good eating habits at dinner. If you were eating a burger and fries with a beer every night, when you reach goal and start adding back in breakfast and lunch, you're reward meal might start to spill over to every meal of the day.
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    Even my fitness pal has trolls this is amazing.
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    Thanks ibc
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    kwkeegan wrote: »
    I'm not eating so few calories

    Ex: Goal Daily Cal intake : 1700 + 900 Exercise - actual intake 2000 cal

    I end up 600 in the green

    How are you calculating the 900 calories burnt in exercise? Are you aware that the MFP burns are considered to be inflated by about 50%?
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    Whatever the app says, running 3 to 4 miles is about 500-700 depending how long I got. Plus the "walking" number
  • kwkeegan
    kwkeegan Posts: 24 Member
    Plus at a desk about half the time at work and the other half with light activity
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