Butter in coffee
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grinning_chick wrote: »QueenBeeMrsD wrote: »Butter is cream. It's delicious!
Yeah, churned cream. With the buttermilk separated out and drained off. Ne'er to go back to being cream again, no matter how hard it tries.
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I like my coffee cool and creamy versus still hot and acidic with an oil slick on it.
Now that is good writing.
So good, in fact, that this morning, I salivated when I reached for the cream in my fridge. But I cast a momentary look of pity/disdain in the direction of the butter, and I wound up stuck in my bathroom wishing I'd stocked up on imodium, when I should have been out the door on my way to work.
Thanks.
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tincanonastring wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »http://www.evilsugarradio.com/episode-13-cholesterol-genetics-carbs-with-dr-spencer-nadolsky/127/
Dr Spencer Nadolksy wrote a paper where he had done advanced blood lipid work on clients who were drinking Bullet Proof Coffee. Their blood work was terrible and returned to normal after they eliminated Bullet Proof Coffee.
High fat with high carb is a less than ideal mix... Is that what people did there? Just add BPC to a normal diet?
Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve...
I assume that's a well researched statement and you're able to point us to your source material?
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Liing by Phinney and Volek, the Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Clarity by Moore, or Cholesterol Con.
Low carb diets generally raise HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp-a, and leave LDL the same or slightly raise it but LDL will switch to the earthier pattern A type.
BPC is a fine part of a low carb diet and can help contribute to improved lipids. I wouldn't advise mixing BPC with a big bagel or a stack of pancakes with lots of syrup. BPC is not magic, but as part of a low carb high fat diet it can be healthful.
That's awesome. Can you please point to the excerpt that supports your statement that "Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve?"0 -
markrgeary1 wrote: »No it doesn't change any laws. I find by boosting fats I don't have a taste for the surgery treats I tend to overeat.
It's great too if you're needing to stay full. Had Oatmeal with BPC, took off and drove 650 miles with no need to stop and eat over priced fast food. Save money, time, and I can't do the sodium(BP).
There are people who "market" bpc; the claims are absolutely ridiculous. I would hope most people drink it because it tastes good and keeps them full. I'm sure there are more than a few that drink it because they buy into the woo.
I agree there's a lot of misinformation, I'm not a believer in BPC being magic. It's a tool to allow me so up my fat. I'm from Missouri, you gotta show me. Just my experience.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »http://www.evilsugarradio.com/episode-13-cholesterol-genetics-carbs-with-dr-spencer-nadolsky/127/
Dr Spencer Nadolksy wrote a paper where he had done advanced blood lipid work on clients who were drinking Bullet Proof Coffee. Their blood work was terrible and returned to normal after they eliminated Bullet Proof Coffee.
High fat with high carb is a less than ideal mix... Is that what people did there? Just add BPC to a normal diet?
Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve...
I assume that's a well researched statement and you're able to point us to your source material?
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Liing by Phinney and Volek, the Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Clarity by Moore, or Cholesterol Con.
Low carb diets generally raise HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp-a, and leave LDL the same or slightly raise it but LDL will switch to the earthier pattern A type.
BPC is a fine part of a low carb diet and can help contribute to improved lipids. I wouldn't advise mixing BPC with a big bagel or a stack of pancakes with lots of syrup. BPC is not magic, but as part of a low carb high fat diet it can be healthful.
That's awesome. Can you please point to the excerpt that supports your statement that "Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve?"
The excerpt that says that exact sentence of mine? Really?
I guess I should have simply said that people on a low carb high fat diet will usually see their lipid panel improved with higher HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp a, and a similar or slightly higher LDL which will improve to a fluffier pattern A type. If those said low carbers choose to put their extra fats, in the form of butter, into their coffee rather than onto their green beans at dinner, will not affect anything. Consuming more fats with fewer carbs is what appears to improve lipids.0 -
youngmomtaz wrote: »
Not artificial, as in butter or cream is natural? You think consuming a product made by coagulating the milk of another species is in any sense natural? Somebody invented butter (probably several someones independently, since it prehistoric) just as someone invented non dairy creamer. The guy inventing the non dairy creamer has the advantage of a lot more knowledge accumulated by people behind the invention though.youngmomtaz wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »If you're an Eskimo living in the arctic and you need fat, and have a lack of calories for food (like maybe you don't always know if you'll eat), then do it. Otherwise, there's no point.
Flavor and taste! That's like saying to ice cream lovers that there is no point to ice cream if you don't live in a tropical region
That's not why people are doing it, and you know it. Don't be coy. This is a silly trend that some dude started because he "discovered" this magic thing. It's BS. People aren't doing it because they like it, they are doing it because it has supposed benefits. There is no legitimate knowledgeable person that I am aware of that thinks this is a good idea, from a nutrition or health perspective.
If you have tried it, and you enjoy it, then keep doing it. I don't care. But there are no benefits other than eating and drinking coffee. It's not magic when you mix it together.
I do it because it tastes good. It is not artificial like the bottled non dairy creamer crap, it fills me up more than a splash of milk would, and helps add to my macro goals. No magic. Again, it is a food choice. We all make them.
The article above stating that we will all most likely raise blood cholesterol levels because of bulletproof coffee(did it include research on lifestyle, heredity, or other food choices? I did not read more than what was posted here) is just as good as the sensationalist articles claiming that if I drink pop I will gain 15lbs this year or that McDonald's will kill me. My morning coffee yesterday was total 80cal. Easily fit into my calorie and macro numbers.
I can make butter in a jar in my kitchen. To me that is natural. If I want to go all extreme I can go next door to my friend with the organic farm and get some cream with which to make the butter from their personal dairy cow. Aside from my decision to use protein powder, all of my food choices lean towards naturally occurring, not lab created. Questioning whether it is natural to consume dairy seems a bit off topic I think.
A jar? Plastic (BPA! etc) or glass (occurs only via high temperature processes) jar?
I don't question what is natural. Rather, I ask what's the distinction. Mostly because I've never seen anything about all hemlock being natural that made me interested in eating it, but artificial, unnnatural creamers, I'm fine with.
I don't see what is safer about a farm (also doesn't exist in nature, actually exists to remove natural environment from the land it occupies) than a lab. Actual injury by occupation probably suggests the farm is more dangerous.
Heck, if you want to get to it, it is a very Euro-centric view of what's natural to even think dairy is safe. Most of the world's population would have intestinal distress trying to deal with what comes out of your next door friend's dairy cow, though turning it into butter would make it easier on some of them.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »http://www.evilsugarradio.com/episode-13-cholesterol-genetics-carbs-with-dr-spencer-nadolsky/127/
Dr Spencer Nadolksy wrote a paper where he had done advanced blood lipid work on clients who were drinking Bullet Proof Coffee. Their blood work was terrible and returned to normal after they eliminated Bullet Proof Coffee.
High fat with high carb is a less than ideal mix... Is that what people did there? Just add BPC to a normal diet?
Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve...
I assume that's a well researched statement and you're able to point us to your source material?
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Liing by Phinney and Volek, the Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Clarity by Moore, or Cholesterol Con.
Low carb diets generally raise HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp-a, and leave LDL the same or slightly raise it but LDL will switch to the earthier pattern A type.
BPC is a fine part of a low carb diet and can help contribute to improved lipids. I wouldn't advise mixing BPC with a big bagel or a stack of pancakes with lots of syrup. BPC is not magic, but as part of a low carb high fat diet it can be healthful.
That's awesome. Can you please point to the excerpt that supports your statement that "Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve?"
The excerpt that says that exact sentence of mine? Really?
I guess I should have simply said that people on a low carb high fat diet will usually see their lipid panel improved with higher HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp a, and a similar or slightly higher LDL which will improve to a fluffier pattern A type. If those said low carbers choose to put their extra fats, in the form of butter, into their coffee rather than onto their green beans at dinner, will not affect anything. Consuming more fats with fewer carbs is what appears to improve lipids.
No, not that exact sentence, but at least something to do with BPC. So the part about "low carb and consume BPC" having lipid panels improve wasn't actually supported by that citation? Does that book have anything in it about BPC? If not, why would you bring it into a thread about BPC to support a statement that BPC and a low-carb diet will improve lipid panels?0 -
Butter in coffee. Sounds fabulous. Why had no one ever thought of this before, through the ages of plain ole coffee-n-cream drinking?
Or butter tea! But that's a traditional drink so not much fun or support in mocking that I'd guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_tea0 -
Butter in coffee. Sounds fabulous. Why had no one ever thought of this before, through the ages of plain ole coffee-n-cream drinking?
And while we're at it, why not put butter in Diet Pepsi? The bubbles might pick up the taste of that luscious butter when they burst in the mouth, mixing delightfully with that cola goodness and Splenda heaven. And you could stir it with the straw, so the butter doesn't keep floating up to the top of your soda, like oil in salad dressing!
Next, buttery wine maybe? Mmmmmm.
If you're going to put dairy in soft drinks, it has to be ice cream, duh.
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tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »http://www.evilsugarradio.com/episode-13-cholesterol-genetics-carbs-with-dr-spencer-nadolsky/127/
Dr Spencer Nadolksy wrote a paper where he had done advanced blood lipid work on clients who were drinking Bullet Proof Coffee. Their blood work was terrible and returned to normal after they eliminated Bullet Proof Coffee.
High fat with high carb is a less than ideal mix... Is that what people did there? Just add BPC to a normal diet?
Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve...
I assume that's a well researched statement and you're able to point us to your source material?
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Liing by Phinney and Volek, the Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Clarity by Moore, or Cholesterol Con.
Low carb diets generally raise HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp-a, and leave LDL the same or slightly raise it but LDL will switch to the earthier pattern A type.
BPC is a fine part of a low carb diet and can help contribute to improved lipids. I wouldn't advise mixing BPC with a big bagel or a stack of pancakes with lots of syrup. BPC is not magic, but as part of a low carb high fat diet it can be healthful.
That's awesome. Can you please point to the excerpt that supports your statement that "Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve?"
The excerpt that says that exact sentence of mine? Really?
I guess I should have simply said that people on a low carb high fat diet will usually see their lipid panel improved with higher HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp a, and a similar or slightly higher LDL which will improve to a fluffier pattern A type. If those said low carbers choose to put their extra fats, in the form of butter, into their coffee rather than onto their green beans at dinner, will not affect anything. Consuming more fats with fewer carbs is what appears to improve lipids.
No, not that exact sentence, but at least something to do with BPC. So the part about "low carb and consume BPC" having lipid panels improve wasn't actually supported by that citation? Does that book have anything in it about BPC? If not, why would you bring it into a thread about BPC to support a statement that BPC and a low-carb diet will improve lipid panels?
People who drink BPC are generally low carb. Low carbers will usually see improved lipid panels. I am not saying that BPC improves lipids. I am saying that LCHF diets generally improve lipids and that BPC can be a part of that diet.
My original statement was in response to what I am guessing a very anti-low carb biased study on "evilsugarradio". Looks like woo to me based on all I have read and learned from theirs who eat low carb high fat. I will not go looking just to provide you with a quote. You'll have to take my word for it or do your own research.
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Or butter tea! But that's a traditional drink so not much fun or support in mocking that I'd guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_tea
The difference is that people aren't drinking butter tea because of its supposed health benefits.
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tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »http://www.evilsugarradio.com/episode-13-cholesterol-genetics-carbs-with-dr-spencer-nadolsky/127/
Dr Spencer Nadolksy wrote a paper where he had done advanced blood lipid work on clients who were drinking Bullet Proof Coffee. Their blood work was terrible and returned to normal after they eliminated Bullet Proof Coffee.
High fat with high carb is a less than ideal mix... Is that what people did there? Just add BPC to a normal diet?
Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve...
I assume that's a well researched statement and you're able to point us to your source material?
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Liing by Phinney and Volek, the Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Clarity by Moore, or Cholesterol Con.
Low carb diets generally raise HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp-a, and leave LDL the same or slightly raise it but LDL will switch to the earthier pattern A type.
BPC is a fine part of a low carb diet and can help contribute to improved lipids. I wouldn't advise mixing BPC with a big bagel or a stack of pancakes with lots of syrup. BPC is not magic, but as part of a low carb high fat diet it can be healthful.
That's awesome. Can you please point to the excerpt that supports your statement that "Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve?"
The excerpt that says that exact sentence of mine? Really?
I guess I should have simply said that people on a low carb high fat diet will usually see their lipid panel improved with higher HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp a, and a similar or slightly higher LDL which will improve to a fluffier pattern A type. If those said low carbers choose to put their extra fats, in the form of butter, into their coffee rather than onto their green beans at dinner, will not affect anything. Consuming more fats with fewer carbs is what appears to improve lipids.
No, not that exact sentence, but at least something to do with BPC. So the part about "low carb and consume BPC" having lipid panels improve wasn't actually supported by that citation? Does that book have anything in it about BPC? If not, why would you bring it into a thread about BPC to support a statement that BPC and a low-carb diet will improve lipid panels?
People who drink BPC are generally low carb. Low carbers will usually see improved lipid panels. I am not saying that BPC improves lipids. I am saying that LCHF diets generally improve lipids and that BPC can be a part of that diet.
My original statement was in response to what I am guessing a very anti-low carb biased study on "evilsugarradio". Looks like woo to me based on all I have read and learned from theirs who eat low carb high fat. I will not go looking just to provide you with a quote. You'll have to take my word for it or do your own research.
So, that's a no, then? You've never actually read anything that states, "Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve." Next time, if someone asks, just be honest and admit you made it up.
ETA: https://www.yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »http://www.evilsugarradio.com/episode-13-cholesterol-genetics-carbs-with-dr-spencer-nadolsky/127/
Dr Spencer Nadolksy wrote a paper where he had done advanced blood lipid work on clients who were drinking Bullet Proof Coffee. Their blood work was terrible and returned to normal after they eliminated Bullet Proof Coffee.
High fat with high carb is a less than ideal mix... Is that what people did there? Just add BPC to a normal diet?
Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve...
I assume that's a well researched statement and you're able to point us to your source material?
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Liing by Phinney and Volek, the Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Clarity by Moore, or Cholesterol Con.
Low carb diets generally raise HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp-a, and leave LDL the same or slightly raise it but LDL will switch to the earthier pattern A type.
BPC is a fine part of a low carb diet and can help contribute to improved lipids. I wouldn't advise mixing BPC with a big bagel or a stack of pancakes with lots of syrup. BPC is not magic, but as part of a low carb high fat diet it can be healthful.
That's awesome. Can you please point to the excerpt that supports your statement that "Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve?"
The excerpt that says that exact sentence of mine? Really?
I guess I should have simply said that people on a low carb high fat diet will usually see their lipid panel improved with higher HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp a, and a similar or slightly higher LDL which will improve to a fluffier pattern A type. If those said low carbers choose to put their extra fats, in the form of butter, into their coffee rather than onto their green beans at dinner, will not affect anything. Consuming more fats with fewer carbs is what appears to improve lipids.
No, not that exact sentence, but at least something to do with BPC. So the part about "low carb and consume BPC" having lipid panels improve wasn't actually supported by that citation? Does that book have anything in it about BPC? If not, why would you bring it into a thread about BPC to support a statement that BPC and a low-carb diet will improve lipid panels?
People who drink BPC are generally low carb. Low carbers will usually see improved lipid panels. I am not saying that BPC improves lipids. I am saying that LCHF diets generally improve lipids and that BPC can be a part of that diet.
My original statement was in response to what I am guessing a very anti-low carb biased study on "evilsugarradio". Looks like woo to me based on all I have read and learned from theirs who eat low carb high fat. I will not go looking just to provide you with a quote. You'll have to take my word for it or do your own research.
So, that's a no, then? You've never actually read anything that states, "Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve." Next time, if someone asks, just be honest and admit you made it up.
ETA: https://www.yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
Never said I read that anywhere....0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »http://www.evilsugarradio.com/episode-13-cholesterol-genetics-carbs-with-dr-spencer-nadolsky/127/
Dr Spencer Nadolksy wrote a paper where he had done advanced blood lipid work on clients who were drinking Bullet Proof Coffee. Their blood work was terrible and returned to normal after they eliminated Bullet Proof Coffee.
High fat with high carb is a less than ideal mix... Is that what people did there? Just add BPC to a normal diet?
Most people who are low carb and consume BPC have their lipid panel improve...
I assume that's a well researched statement and you're able to point us to your source material?
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Liing by Phinney and Volek, the Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Clarity by Moore, or Cholesterol Con.
Low carb diets generally raise HDL, lower triglycerides, lower Lp-a, and leave LDL the same or slightly raise it but LDL will switch to the earthier pattern A type.
BPC is a fine part of a low carb diet and can help contribute to improved lipids. I wouldn't advise mixing BPC with a big bagel or a stack of pancakes with lots of syrup. BPC is not magic, but as part of a low carb high fat diet it can be healthful.
If the Great Cholesterol Myth was to be a source for BPC and improved lipid panels I couldn't find it in the book. In fact, in the 100+ pages of recipes and ingredients at the end of the book butter is referenced a whopping 4 times in the first 50 pages. 2 times as stand alone ingredients and 2 times as a substitute to EVOO. I haven't finished the other 50 pages but nowhere in the book does it reference BPC and improved lipid panels nor any reference to improved lipid panels and animal fat. It seems their book (Dr Bowden and Dr Sinatra) follow similar recipes as a book by Dr Esselsytn( Cleveland Clinic physician).
Also, in terms of improved lipid panels you'd have to (1) have a panel done and (2) post dietary change have another one completed. I find it very odd that people would randomly have lipid panels completed prior to taking on a low carb diet. I am not sure how many people actively have lipid panels done as part of blood work prior to a cardiac event but it would seem odd to request something beyond the breakdown of cholesterol and a conversation of the ratios of LDL, HDL, an tri's.
Last, in terms of HDL improvement on a low carb diet folks with chronic diseases, ie rheumatoid arthritis and diabetes, have a very different HDL than HDL of healthy individuals. Some 'good' HDL cholesterol reduces inflammation while the dysfunctional HDL does not. So, according to Dr Angelo Scanu the recommendation is to ask your doctor about good v. bad HDL when your HDL improves and you have pre-existing conditions. Elevated HDL and a low carb diet may not be the panacea people believe it to be. This is on pps.50-51 from the Great Choleslterol Myth. I think it helps people when we make declarative statements to provide accurate source information and if possible the pages to save other people time trying to research this information.
Healthy in the context above: People devoid of RA and diabetes.
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Eh. I think butter in coffee tastes 'okay', though you have to use a lot more of it than regular creamer to really have a 'lightening' effect on coffee. It works in a pinch, when you have no milk or cream or even non-dairy creamer. I don't find it particularly oily - no more than heavy cream. Never thought of it as being healthy and was totally confused when it started getting popular.
I just picture someone having a beau/belle over and having some morning after breakfast (you know, the stereotypical waffles and juice and whatever). But: oh no! Nothing to cook! And to make matters worse: not even any cream for coffee! Quick panicked search... hmm... coconut oil and... butter! So they convince their guest it's super healthy and a great breakfast replacement and blahblahblah. And, it's not bad! The guest is impressed, starts spreading it around...0 -
spoonyspork wrote: »The guest is impressed, starts spreading it around...
.... via SMS from your bathroom asking mutual friends to drop by, after stopping for imodium.0 -
Sounds disgusting, I can't think of any good reason to do it. Coffee is an appetite suppressant and fat can make you feel fuller longer. Together maybe they have super-filling qualities? But for the calories in that tbsp of butter I can think of much more tasty alternatives
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I have had it and do have it from time to time because it tastes good and fills me up when I am in mad rush. Use good quality ingredients so it's rich creamy and frothy. I add 1 TBS Anchor unsalted butter, 1 TBS raw coconut oil 2 TBS double cream (helps prevent oil slick top) some ginger and cinnamon powder then blend it all together.0
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I have a customer (i work in a coffee shop) who has butter in his coffee all the time. He says it improves on the flavour, personally I think it's disgusting!0
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