230 lbs 27.8% BF and now 223.6lbs with 26.1%? WHAT

viren19890
viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
edited November 28 in Health and Weight Loss
I just had a realized while I was lying in bed that isn't this wrong? I don't want to end up skinny fat.

I lost weight from Jan 1,2016 - to Jan 16- from 230-223.6. Is it too fast? Why isn't fat percent dropping similarly?

I'm not even taking cheat days neither have a consumed single drop of alcohol. Even sugar is in check.

What's going on? Did I miss out on a formula or something? This on surface sounds like weight and fat has no correlation
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  • vespiquenn
    vespiquenn Posts: 1,455 Member
    Unless you are paying to have tests done, any at home method is not accurate, including scales. There's a lot that can alter the outcome of body fat % such as water weight fluctuations.
  • auntstephie321
    auntstephie321 Posts: 3,586 Member
    How are you coming up with your bf%?
  • chandanista
    chandanista Posts: 986 Member
    Well initial weight loss has a lot to do with water weight percentages. Give it time.
  • bigbodybake
    bigbodybake Posts: 49 Member
    From what I've read 7 pounds in most people will equal 1% of body fat, so your numbers seem right
  • Yi5hedr3
    Yi5hedr3 Posts: 2,696 Member
    That's about right. Body fat percentage will not drop as fast as weight. You always lose some muscle as well. Eat adequate proteins, and pump iron to slow down the muscle loss.
  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
    vespiquenn wrote: »
    Unless you are paying to have tests done, any at home method is not accurate, including scales. There's a lot that can alter the outcome of body fat % such as water weight fluctuations.

    I did get it checked from Herbal life once upon a time and then came home to measure it- and it came out to same -so if it's wrong -they are both wrong but as a standard or benchmark for measuring -it does the job.
    How are you coming up with your bf%?
    I have Escali scale at home.
    Well initial weight loss has a lot to do with water weight percentages. Give it time.

    Water weight ratio went up in the body from ~54 something to 56% now ?

    I'd really be disappointed if I ended up being skinny fat lol

  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member

    Do you guys think any exercises specifically hit fat? I mean like HIIT ? I do 5/3/1 right now but I can try to incorporate HIIT -if it'll target fat -wishful thinking but maybe ?
  • BluenoserGal
    BluenoserGal Posts: 55 Member
    I think it's waaaaay too early to worry about slight discrepancies. When you are nearing your goal you can take another look at it.
  • macgurlnet
    macgurlnet Posts: 1,946 Member
    A scale cannot accurately determine your BF%. It may consistently show changes so you can see a trend but that's it.

    If you aren't doing strength training, start now - this will help preserve your existing muscle, and help prevent that "skinny fat" look you don't want.

    ~Lyssa
  • lcuconley
    lcuconley Posts: 734 Member
    Keep up the weightlifting to maintain muscle and HIIT will help burn calories. Yes, losing 17 pounds in two weeks is probably not a healthy rate, but the beginning of diets are the easiest. Keep up the workouts!!
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    You don't know what your BF is because body fat scales and bio Impedence are pointless

    To ensure a good body composition include progressive resistance as you lose weight to preserve as much LBM as possible
  • 20yearsyounger
    20yearsyounger Posts: 1,630 Member
    viren19890 wrote: »
    I just had a realized while I was lying in bed that isn't this wrong? I don't want to end up skinny fat.

    I lost weight from Jan 1,2016 - to Jan 16- from 230-223.6. Is it too fast? Why isn't fat percent dropping similarly?

    I'm not even taking cheat days neither have a consumed single drop of alcohol. Even sugar is in check.

    What's going on? Did I miss out on a formula or something? This on surface sounds like weight and fat has no correlation

    It never drops similarly and those are just estimates. Congrats that you are moving in the right direction.
  • howeclectic
    howeclectic Posts: 121 Member
    edited January 2016
    When losing weight your body will want to look at lean mass as an energy source.

    1) lean mass can fuel your body
    2) your lean mass is economically more expensive than fat

    Your body thinks theres a food shortage and needs to prepare for possible famine (as has been the human experience for 200,000 years). You have to give your body a reason to not drop lean mass since lean mass costs more calories daily than fat pound for pound. Tell your body you're a hunter who needs to chase down their prey to eat. How do you do that? High intensity exercise followed by food eating back the calories lost exercising. I am over simplifying things a bit... but its a lot easier to make sense of things if you completely ignore the last 200-300 years and focus on the logic your body has operated under for the last 200k years.
  • Lleldiranne
    Lleldiranne Posts: 5,516 Member
    The scale measurements of body fat aren't very reliable ... in that they may not even show a proper trend. So don't read too much into it.

    Additionally, just 2 two weeks is really too soon to be seeing a real trend in body composition change. There does tend to be a "whoosh" at the beginning, whether water or something else. (Again, don't put too much credit into how much water the scale says you have).

    To avoid being "skinny fat," stick with the lifting. I just started 5/3/1 and I love it! Also make sure you get plenty of protein. That will help you maintain your muscle mass as much as possible (though you will still lose some muscle).

    Stick with it, you got this!
  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
    When losing weight your body will want to look at lean mass as an energy source.

    1) lean mass can fuel your body
    2) your lean mass is economically more expensive than fat

    Your body thinks theres a food shortage and needs to prepare for possible famine (as has been the human experience for 200,000 years). You have to give your body a reason to not drop lean mass since lean mass costs more calories daily than fat pound for pound. Tell your body you're a hunter who needs to chase down their prey to eat. How do you do that? High intensity exercise followed by food eating back the calories lost exercising. I am over simplifying things a bit... but its a lot easier to make sense of things if you completely ignore the last 200-300 years and focus on the logic your body has operated under for the last 200k years.

    If I'm understanding you correctly -it means that body would rather burn fat than muscle -if we give it a reason to do so and the reason could be keeping protein high and keep lifting heavy weight -so muslce mass stays ?
  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member


    Thanks everyone for posting in- in past few days I've learned more than I've learned in last year or so lol and that too comes out was all wrong or was meant for steroid users. LOL I didn't even know that we will lose muscle along with fat when we cut-only steroid users are able to preserve muscle and get learner. What an eye opener that was lol
  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
    mathjulz wrote: »
    The scale measurements of body fat aren't very reliable ... in that they may not even show a proper trend. So don't read too much into it.

    Additionally, just 2 two weeks is really too soon to be seeing a real trend in body composition change. There does tend to be a "whoosh" at the beginning, whether water or something else. (Again, don't put too much credit into how much water the scale says you have).

    To avoid being "skinny fat," stick with the lifting. I just started 5/3/1 and I love it! Also make sure you get plenty of protein. That will help you maintain your muscle mass as much as possible (though you will still lose some muscle).

    Stick with it, you got this!

    Been doing 5/3/1 since May 2015 -just ramped up the intensity right now lol
    It's a great program
  • howeclectic
    howeclectic Posts: 121 Member
    edited January 2016
    viren19890 wrote: »

    If I'm understanding you correctly -it means that body would rather burn fat than muscle -if we give it a reason to do so and the reason could be keeping protein high and keep lifting heavy weight -so muslce mass stays ?

    Well, your body will always want to go after the lean mass during a sustained calorie deficit. But lifting heavy weights will tell the body you don't have much lean mass to spare (you need it). You will still probably lose *some* lean mass. Just less if you lift.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    27.8% of 230 is 64, 26.1% of 223.6 is 58. You lost 6 pounds. Aside from the inaccuracy of scales and whatnot, where's the problem?
  • zoeysasha37
    zoeysasha37 Posts: 7,088 Member
    I wouldn't pay much attention to some herabalife reps estimate of your body fat and I certainly wouldn't pay much attention to the reading from those home scales. Its just not accurate enough.
    Look into getting a bod pod test done if you want a more accurate reading.
    Otherwise don't sweat the small stuff. Keep on working towards your goal and don't get wrapped up in the numbers.
  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
    27.8% of 230 is 64, 26.1% of 223.6 is 58. You lost 6 pounds. Aside from the inaccuracy of scales and whatnot, where's the problem?

    Problem was -I thought I was losing muscle along with fat-so it was basically a lose-lose scenario. Instead of a win-win (ideal) where I lose more body fat than weight (i know it's not possible)
  • bigJ2025
    bigJ2025 Posts: 3 Member
    For me I had to learn to stop looking at the scale as my ultimate goal and keep looking in the mirror or pictures! The biggest problem is there are so many factors that play into weight loss, like water consumption, sleep, sugar intake(as you noted) and sodium intake. Overall fats like pb and oils! Just keep looking in the mirror and if you like what your seeing then your going in the right direction! Just my opinion though
  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
    viren19890 wrote: »

    If I'm understanding you correctly -it means that body would rather burn fat than muscle -if we give it a reason to do so and the reason could be keeping protein high and keep lifting heavy weight -so muslce mass stays ?

    Well, your body will always want to go after the lean mass during a sustained calorie deficit. But lifting heavy weights will tell the body you don't have much lean mass to spare (you need it). You will still probably lose *some* lean mass. Just less if you lift.

    Ok so I understood it wrong then. Anyone ever figure out-why the body doesn't go after fat? I mean wasn't that suppose to be "stored" for the time of need? and deficit would be considered that time lol
  • howeclectic
    howeclectic Posts: 121 Member
    Lean mass
    viren19890 wrote: »

    Ok so I understood it wrong then. Anyone ever figure out-why the body doesn't go after fat? I mean wasn't that suppose to be "stored" for the time of need? and deficit would be considered that time lol

    Lean mass expends 7-10 calories per pound per day. Fat mass expends 2-3 calories per pound.

    Imagine you had a company and the economy was tanking. Now imagine all of your employees were equally productive. Who do you layoff ? The most expensive employees obviously (your muscle mass). Now... say your more expensive employees were more productive (you use your muscles to get food). Now the equation is less certain... If you don't use your lean mass... your body assumes you don't need it and its too expensive to keep around in a sustained famine. The extra days this can buy you until your next meal can mean life or death.

  • robertw486
    robertw486 Posts: 2,401 Member
    Don't pay attention to the bioimpedance scales for other than showing a trend. We have one and plenty of things will throw off the numbers, including a cup or two of coffee and lotion on my feet. They are ok for showing a trend, but not much more.

    Unless your deficit is high and/or sometimes when you are working out at higher levels and don't eat properly for recovery and such, you're going to lose more fat than muscle. A lot more. Even in true starvation and fasting situations the body attempts to protect muscle.

    That being said, most people want to keep their muscle mass, so lifting and other types of strength training is a good idea when in a deficit. As is ensuring adequate protein. But you're not going to see any huge swings in muscle mass on most diets that are long term sustainable. Even people that don't lift or do strength training will lose fat in proportion to muscle.
  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,011 Member
    OP, whenever you lose weight, you will lose some fat and some muscle. If you weight train and eat enough protein, you can minimize the muscle loss.

    Having said that, weight loss isn't linear. The % of fat, muscle, and water gain or loss will be different day to day and week to week based on hundreds of variables, most of which you can't control or see. Your digestive system, stress, energy-level, environmental humidity, minor nutritional differences in the individual foods you eat, your immune system, etc all can create minor, imperceptible changes in the way your body processes your food and fuels your exercise.

    You want to look at trends over the long term, like month to month and not stress the small stuff. All the numbers we work with are estimates, hopefully really good estimates, so the long term trend will be the important thing. Good luck!
  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
    Lean mass
    viren19890 wrote: »

    Ok so I understood it wrong then. Anyone ever figure out-why the body doesn't go after fat? I mean wasn't that suppose to be "stored" for the time of need? and deficit would be considered that time lol

    Lean mass expends 7-10 calories per pound per day. Fat mass expends 2-3 calories per pound.

    Imagine you had a company and the economy was tanking. Now imagine all of your employees were equally productive. Who do you layoff ? The most expensive employees obviously (your muscle mass). Now... say your more expensive employees were more productive (you use your muscles to get food). Now the equation is less certain... If you don't use your lean mass... your body assumes you don't need it and its too expensive to keep around in a sustained famine. The extra days this can buy you until your next meal can mean life or death.

    WOW thanks a lot for dumbing it down for me bro- that really put things in perspective.

    So if a person wants to maintain-they should lift heavy or go even heavier if possible so most amount of muscle is maintained since (those guys are more productive at lifting) lol . Thanks
  • 20yearsyounger
    20yearsyounger Posts: 1,630 Member
    bigJ2025 wrote: »
    For me I had to learn to stop looking at the scale as my ultimate goal and keep looking in the mirror or pictures! The biggest problem is there are so many factors that play into weight loss, like water consumption, sleep, sugar intake(as you noted) and sodium intake. Overall fats like pb and oils! Just keep looking in the mirror and if you like what your seeing then your going in the right direction! Just my opinion though

    I'm with you. I used the body fat pictures.
  • viren19890
    viren19890 Posts: 778 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    OP, whenever you lose weight, you will lose some fat and some muscle. If you weight train and eat enough protein, you can minimize the muscle loss.

    Having said that, weight loss isn't linear. The % of fat, muscle, and water gain or loss will be different day to day and week to week based on hundreds of variables, most of which you can't control or see. Your digestive system, stress, energy-level, environmental humidity, minor nutritional differences in the individual foods you eat, your immune system, etc all can create minor, imperceptible changes in the way your body processes your food and fuels your exercise.

    You want to look at trends over the long term, like month to month and not stress the small stuff. All the numbers we work with are estimates, hopefully really good estimates, so the long term trend will be the important thing. Good luck!

    thanks -that's what I was wondering , that if there was a correlation between weight lost and fat % and muscle %.
  • brdnw
    brdnw Posts: 565 Member
    From what I've read 7 pounds in most people will equal 1% of body fat, so your numbers seem right

    70lbs would be much more than 10% fat. Likewise at 35% and 5%. I don't know where you get that # from but i dont agree at all with it.
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