Juicing fast?
VampireMilk
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I recently watched Fat, Sick, and almost dead on netflix. Now I'm curious if a 10 day juicing fast is all its hyped up to be. Or if this is just some kind of advertising thing. Also how do you get protein?
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Many vegetables contain protein.
Personally, I prefer to eat my calories rather than drink them.
A juice fast is a way to reduce your calorie intake. It also forces you to increase your consumption of fruits and veggies.
It offers no health benefits, IMO, that you couldn't get from adding the equivalent amount of salad and whole fruits/veggies into your diet.0 -
This must be a popular topic today...http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10295608/fat-sick-and-nearly-dead#latest0
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It's not all it's hyped up to be. You're correct in noting that you would be pretty substantially under any sort of rational protein (and dietary fat) requirements.
IIRC, the follow up to that film was that the guy put all his weight back on when he came off the juice.
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I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
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Juicing can improve a person’s health if portions are correctly monitored and if it serves only as a component of the overall diet. Only drinking juice is a bad idea.
http://www.livescience.com/48887-juice-cleanse-dangers.html
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brittny0627 wrote: »I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
If it worked so well, why do you have to do another one?Many vegetables contain protein.
How could you meet protein needs for 10 days using vegetable juice?
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tincanonastring wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-
10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
If it worked so well, why do you have to do another one?
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Watch the 2nd movie and read the person above. They all get fat again and then have to do it over again and again and again and again. Just proves it doesn't work.0
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tincanonastring wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
If it worked so well, why do you have to do another one?Many vegetables contain protein.
How could you meet protein needs for 10 days using vegetable juice?
Hahaha
Wellll lol great question and I can answer it easily. Since I did the 8 or whatever day juice fast last year I've maybe put like 2 lbs on. I'm not doing it to lose weight this time. Only doing 5 days. I'm doing it this time because as a new attorney, I've been going to way too many after work, whiskey filled, steak house dinners. I've managed to maintain but I'm not in the same healthy eating mindset I used to be in. Sooo juice fasting really helps change that mentally and give your digestive system a break. Plus, it immediately flushes you with more nutrients than you could ever eat in a day. That's why!
And to the other question......
Tons of fruit and veggies have protein as well as healthy fats, and I don't just mean avocados. Plus some people have a handful of almonds or whatever nut while juicing.1 -
Your digestive system does not need a "break" from digestion. In fact eating a low fiber diet and drinking tons of high-sugar fluids as in a juice fast is more likely to cause GI distress. If something you're doing currently is causing you digestive problems, the solution is to stop doing those things, start eating appropriate portions of a well-balanced diet, and gradually increase your fiber and fluid intake.
A juice fast also does not "immediately flush you with more nutrients than you could eat in a day," which is a dubious goal to begin with. In terms of water-soluble vitamins, consuming more than you "can" eat in a day is pointless- your body can't use more than that and it will simply be excreted. In terms of fat-soluble vitamins, megadoses are a bad idea because your body CAN store more than it needs, and overconsuming those vitamins can be as bad as being deficient, which very, very few first-world people are to begin with. Either way, there's no health benefit to huge amounts of vitamins, and there are very real health risks to eating too few calories and not getting the macronutrients you need.
The purported health benefits of juice fasting are not at all supported by actual biology or chemistry.
You know what "changes you mentally"? Changing mentally. Thinking of healthy eating as an on-again, off-again thing that you do in spurts before going back to whiskey and steak dinners is the opposite of a change- it's setting yourself up to do something unsustainable that doesn't change your regular behavior at all.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-
10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
If it worked so well, why do you have to do another one?
I love this one....lol0 -
brittny0627 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
If it worked so well, why do you have to do another one?Many vegetables contain protein.
How could you meet protein needs for 10 days using vegetable juice?
Hahaha
Wellll lol great question and I can answer it easily. Since I did the 8 or whatever day juice fast last year I've maybe put like 2 lbs on. I'm not doing it to lose weight this time. Only doing 5 days. I'm doing it this time because as a new attorney, I've been going to way too many after work, whiskey filled, steak house dinners. I've managed to maintain but I'm not in the same healthy eating mindset I used to be in. Sooo juice fasting really helps change that mentally and give your digestive system a break. Plus, it immediately flushes you with more nutrients than you could ever eat in a day. That's why!
And to the other question......
Tons of fruit and veggies have protein as well as healthy fats, and I don't just mean avocados. Plus some people have a handful of almonds or whatever nut while juicing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2912353/Is-juicing-making-fat-Not-mention-rotting-teeth-starving-body-nutrients-new-fad-not-healthy-all.html0 -
brittny0627 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
If it worked so well, why do you have to do another one?Many vegetables contain protein.
How could you meet protein needs for 10 days using vegetable juice?
Hahaha
Wellll lol great question and I can answer it easily. Since I did the 8 or whatever day juice fast last year I've maybe put like 2 lbs on. I'm not doing it to lose weight this time. Only doing 5 days. I'm doing it this time because as a new attorney, I've been going to way too many after work, whiskey filled, steak house dinners. I've managed to maintain but I'm not in the same healthy eating mindset I used to be in. Sooo juice fasting really helps change that mentally and give your digestive system a break. Plus, it immediately flushes you with more nutrients than you could ever eat in a day. That's why!
And to the other question......
Tons of fruit and veggies have protein as well as healthy fats, and I don't just mean avocados. Plus some people have a handful of almonds or whatever nut while juicing.
The first two things in bold are misstatements. The last, in context, fails miserably. Your final sentence requires breaking the "juice fast" thereby undermining the concept.
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This really isn't a debate. Many people have different opinions on the topic and I'm just expressing my experience. There's a ton of medical information for both sides of the argument and I've read through a lot of it. I'm basing it on my experience and my opinions. I'm not alone in my experience nor positive feelings towards short term juicing in general. There are options from both medical professionals and nutritionists against and for juice fasting. I don't believe in extended fasting but I'm firm in my belief of shorter term juice fasting. We could pull up and quote stats from both sides all day but there's no need. I'm speaking from my experience. You should check out some of the things others who have done it have to say (both positive and negative).
Heres an MD
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/woodson-merrell-md/juice-cleanses_b_4549641.html
Here's a skeptics who tried a pre made 3 day (which I dont support) opinion on it. Read her last few paragraphs.brianpperkins wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
If it worked so well, why do you have to do another one?Many vegetables contain protein.
How could you meet protein needs for 10 days using vegetable juice?
Hahaha
Wellll lol great question and I can answer it easily. Since I did the 8 or whatever day juice fast last year I've maybe put like 2 lbs on. I'm not doing it to lose weight this time. Only doing 5 days. I'm doing it this time because as a new attorney, I've been going to way too many after work, whiskey filled, steak house dinners. I've managed to maintain but I'm not in the same healthy eating mindset I used to be in. Sooo juice fasting really helps change that mentally and give your digestive system a break. Plus, it immediately flushes you with more nutrients than you could ever eat in a day. That's why!
And to the other question......
Tons of fruit and veggies have protein as well as healthy fats, and I don't just mean avocados. Plus some people have a handful of almonds or whatever nut while juicing.
The first two things in bold are misstatements. The last, in context, fails miserably. Your final sentence requires breaking the "juice fast" thereby undermining the concept.
What misstatements do you speak of? "First two things" meaning my personal experience and life? What would my motive be for commenting initially, if Its BS. You're incorrect, I spoke about my life. Let's hear about your PERSONAL nutrition goals so I can refute them as well! Aside from that, every persons body obviously react differently. If someone finds themselves reacting negatively due to lack of protein (like a weight lifter used to high levels more or whoever) during the beginning days, many juicing regimens/recommendations from advocates say to have a handful of nuts. I've never had to so I can't speak on that besides what I've read about it. I personally did not create the juicing concept just giving my experience. thanks
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I do appreciate the useful opinions on the topic, objective or not, to the others.0
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brittny0627 wrote: »I do appreciate the useful opinions on the topic, objective or not, to the others.
So the opinions of the majority (against juice fasting) aren't "useful"?0 -
Opposite ! Those are the opinions, of which, I was referring.Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »I do appreciate the useful opinions on the topic, objective or not, to the others.
So the opinions of the majority (against juice fasting) aren't "useful"?
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An MD who sells a book and program of juice cleanses claims in non-peer-reviewed publications that juice cleanses are a good idea?
You don't say.0 -
He said the first two statements of yours that he bolded, which were:
Andgive your digestive system a breakit immediately flushes you with more nutrients than you could ever eat in a day
Those are total hogwash.0 -
brittny0627 wrote: »
Opposite ! Those are the opinions, of which, I was referring.Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »I do appreciate the useful opinions on the topic, objective or not, to the others.
So the opinions of the majority (against juice fasting) aren't "useful"?
Not sure if serious....trolling or don't science.0 -
if that was what he was referring to then I apologize because there is nothing bolded on my iPad and responded to a different response of mine.0
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »He said the first two statements of yours that he bolded, which were:
Andgive your digestive system a breakit immediately flushes you with more nutrients than you could ever eat in a day
Those are total hogwash.
And your digestive system doesn't "need a break." That's like saying your lungs and your heart need one.0 -
100% of study participants who gave their heart and lungs a break found they never gained any weight ever again.
You might be on to something here, @snickerscharlie...0 -
I agree his motives may be questionable. I would like to think doctors do not tend to endorse things they think are dangerous, however that could definitely be the case. There are other doctors who support juicing without ulterior motives, I was just pulling one up. I can also say that my father is a Physican and we have discussed it many times and he does not oppose or believe that it is dangerous for me. Im just saying that its totally different nutrition wise than water fasting or the cayenne lemonade or something like that, and that I have found it beneficial. I do appreciate everyones constructive criticism.0
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brittny0627 wrote: »This really isn't a debate. Many people have different opinions on the topic and I'm just expressing my experience. There's a ton of medical information for both sides of the argument and I've read through a lot of it. I'm basing it on my experience and my opinions. I'm not alone in my experience nor positive feelings towards short term juicing in general. There are options from both medical professionals and nutritionists against and for juice fasting. I don't believe in extended fasting but I'm firm in my belief of shorter term juice fasting. We could pull up and quote stats from both sides all day but there's no need. I'm speaking from my experience. You should check out some of the things others who have done it have to say (both positive and negative).
Heres an MD
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/woodson-merrell-md/juice-cleanses_b_4549641.html
Here's a skeptics who tried a pre made 3 day (which I dont support) opinion on it. Read her last few paragraphs.brianpperkins wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
If it worked so well, why do you have to do another one?Many vegetables contain protein.
How could you meet protein needs for 10 days using vegetable juice?
Hahaha
Wellll lol great question and I can answer it easily. Since I did the 8 or whatever day juice fast last year I've maybe put like 2 lbs on. I'm not doing it to lose weight this time. Only doing 5 days. I'm doing it this time because as a new attorney, I've been going to way too many after work, whiskey filled, steak house dinners. I've managed to maintain but I'm not in the same healthy eating mindset I used to be in. Sooo juice fasting really helps change that mentally and give your digestive system a break. Plus, it immediately flushes you with more nutrients than you could ever eat in a day. That's why!
And to the other question......
Tons of fruit and veggies have protein as well as healthy fats, and I don't just mean avocados. Plus some people have a handful of almonds or whatever nut while juicing.
The first two things in bold are misstatements. The last, in context, fails miserably. Your final sentence requires breaking the "juice fast" thereby undermining the concept.
What misstatements do you speak of? "First two things" meaning my personal experience and life? What would my motive be for commenting initially, if Its BS. You're incorrect, I spoke about my life. Let's hear about your PERSONAL nutrition goals so I can refute them as well! Aside from that, every persons body obviously react differently. If someone finds themselves reacting negatively due to lack of protein (like a weight lifter used to high levels more or whoever) during the beginning days, many juicing regimens/recommendations from advocates say to have a handful of nuts. I've never had to so I can't speak on that besides what I've read about it. I personally did not create the juicing concept just giving my experience. thanks
Please read the entire sentence before trying to argue against it. Failure to do so only serves to further erode your already intellectually weak position.
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Once again, I did read the sentence and do not have bold letters of any kind displayed on my iPad. Therefore I reasonably went to the "first 2 statements" in the message you replied to. Let us not fail to notice you have yet to contributed in any manner to this conversation. Your opinion on my intellect in stating MY opinions is totally irrelevant and meaningless. Not constructive in anyway!
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Not trolling! And I may have only one person who agrees in this, but there are many people who agree. Im not sure why it seems as though i am the only person who has this opinion. There have been no scientific studies that have taken place on short term juice fasting. So there is no science to turn to besides the way our bodies and digestive systems work and whether or not it benefits us. Then we are back to the same debate as before. Many agree, and many disagree. It should ok for me to have a different opinion based on my experience. @Wetcoaster
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brittny0627 wrote: »Once again, I did read the sentence and do not have bold letters of any kind displayed on my iPad. Therefore I reasonably went to the "first 2 statements" in the message you replied to. Let us not fail to notice you have yet to contributed in any manner to this conversation. Your opinion on my intellect in stating MY opinions is totally irrelevant and meaningless. Not constructive in anyway!
I didn't say a thing about your intellect. I commented on the strength of the flawed position you're taking. Quite simply any "juice fast" is at best a waste of time and at worst dangerous. While some vegetables do contain protein, it is not in comparable levels to things like meat and not many of the "juice fast" plans include juicing beans, broccoli, or brussels sprouts ... in fact I've never seen those included in a single plan. Stating that the digestive tract needs a "break" is laughable, even more so when you then continue to push things through it for digestion which again negates the entire concept.
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