Juicing fast?
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@Wetcoaster Thank you and I wasn't speaking about everyone! only @brianpperkins0
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brittny0627 wrote: »@Wetcoaster Thank you and I wasn't speaking about everyone! only @brianpperkins
It's funny how many people have dissected your flawed position ... well, that is pretty much everyone. You fail to answer simple questions such as why anyone should watch that flawed video when it flies in the face of science ... then concede to talking about others.
The latest laugh from you is your thanking a person agreeing with everyone besides you.
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brianpperkins wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »@Wetcoaster Thank you and I wasn't speaking about everyone! only @brianpperkins
It's funny how many people have dissected your flawed position ... well, that is pretty much everyone. You fail to answer simple questions such as why anyone should watch that flawed video when it flies in the face of science ... then concede to talking about others.
The latest laugh from you is your thanking a person agreeing with everyone besides you.
I dont agree with her though0 -
@brittny0627 How about making a smoothie, instead of juicing or having just 1 serving because juicing removes necessary fiber & another issue with juicing/smoothies (which is why I suggested "a" smoothie, as in just 1 smoothie) is that, some foods aren't ideal; in large quantities. For instance spinach clots blood, therefore large quantities aren't ideal; for someone taking blood thinners. This is as bad, as drinking excessive amounts of water. If 1 doesn't consume everything in moderation, then good foods/drinks; become bad & thus 1 ruins their health, instead of preserving/improving it. Just remember, anything extreme; is bad!0
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Wetcoaster wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »@Wetcoaster Thank you and I wasn't speaking about everyone! only @brianpperkins
It's funny how many people have dissected your flawed position ... well, that is pretty much everyone. You fail to answer simple questions such as why anyone should watch that flawed video when it flies in the face of science ... then concede to talking about others.
The latest laugh from you is your thanking a person agreeing with everyone besides you.
I dont agree with her though
As I said to her ... "agreeing with everyone besides you" ... aka, not agreeing with her litany of logically flawed posts.0 -
If you watched the follow up, one of the guys fell back into his old eating habits as well as quit exercise which resulted in him gaining all the weight back ...due to a personal relationship problem if I am remembering right.0
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NVM0
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brianpperkins wrote: »Wetcoaster wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »brittny0627 wrote: »@Wetcoaster Thank you and I wasn't speaking about everyone! only @brianpperkins
It's funny how many people have dissected your flawed position ... well, that is pretty much everyone. You fail to answer simple questions such as why anyone should watch that flawed video when it flies in the face of science ... then concede to talking about others.
The latest laugh from you is your thanking a person agreeing with everyone besides you.
I dont agree with her though
As I said to her ... "agreeing with everyone besides you" ... aka, not agreeing with her litany of logically flawed posts.
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But your body will break down muscle to get protein that it needs if there isn't enough available from what you're eating -- how is that "not usable nutritionally"? I'm not saying it's a good thing to have happen, but it does happen.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
But your body will break down muscle to get protein that it needs if there isn't enough available from what you're eating -- how is that "not usable nutritionally"? I'm not saying it's a good thing to have happen, but it does happen.
Frankly, I think you're splitting hairs about something I already admitted was imprecisely phrased, and that I think had a pretty clear intended meaning in context. Would you disagree that, as we lose weight, we improve our odds of retaining as much muscle as practical if we routinely eat enough protein?
My point was that juice fasts, as OP described them, were unlikely to provide adequate protein, and that regularly getting enough protein is likely a more healthful strategy.
If you're trying to educate readers about detailed nuances of protein utilization in the body, applause, I guess . . . but it seems a little reach-y in a thread about whether juice fasts are a good idea, or not, and why.
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brittny0627 wrote: »I do juice both broccoli and brussel sprouts.
Yuck. Both are so delicious cooked and broccoli is delicious raw too. Why juice them and remove most of the fiber?
I strongly suspect juicing is for those who just won't eat vegetables in a normal way or like to believe woo.0 -
Can't you juice beans?or meat for that matter. Tuna flakes in your vegetables blend... I can't imagine anything more yucky but... if the idea is to only "drink" rather than "eat" and the main issue is protein intake (ok and fiber), then one could juice anything. No?
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Can't you juice beans?or meat for that matter. Tuna flakes in your vegetables blend... I can't imagine anything more yucky but... if the idea is to only "drink" rather than "eat" and the main issue is protein intake (ok and fiber), then one could juice anything. No?
The point is that there are scammers (with books and juicers to sell) who have convinced people through junk science and outright lies that there is some health benefit to a "juice fast" or "juice cleanse". Their recipes are purely vegetable juices, on the ridiculous and scientifically false theory that it somehow "reboots" your metabolism. The truth is that no "cleanse" or "detox" does anything beneficial for the body and can actually be potentially harmful. Calories in < Calories out still applies, but juice fasting will teach you nothing about how to eat or nourish yourself properly. It doesn't "kickstart", "jumpstart" or "reboot" your metabolism, as nothing of the sort actually happens - your metabolism works 24 hours a day every day doing what it does and your liver and kidneys are constantly at work "detoxing" your body.
Basically what a juice cleanse/fast amounts to is a VLCD/starvation diet which is highly unbalanced nutritionally. I don't see how that can be considered healthy or beneficial in any way. It sounds more like a desperate move somebody with an eating disorder (and no knowledge whatsoever of basic physiology or nutrition concepts) would try because they've swallowed the bait of some snake oil salesman.0 -
Personally I'm not a fan of the juicing, but some people prefer to judge and nit pick what people say rather then have a positive conversation.
99% of people gain their weight back. Stop using that as an argument to discredit a certain "diet".
I don't think the lack of protein is a huge problem. Most people think If they keep their proteins high during weight loss they'll be left with all this muscle they think they've built up underneath the fat for all these years...wrong. Unless you've been strength training while you've been gaining weight, you'll be surprised with how little muscle is actually there.
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Nickers5405 wrote: »Personally I'm not a fan of the juicing, but some people prefer to judge and nit pick what people say rather then have a positive conversation.
99% of people gain their weight back. Stop using that as an argument to discredit a certain "diet".
I don't think the lack of protein is a huge problem. Most people think If they keep their proteins high during weight loss they'll be left with all this muscle they think they've built up underneath the fat for all these years...wrong. Unless you've been strength training while you've been gaining weight, you'll be surprised with how little muscle is actually there.
What?
You don't think cell repair is important?
Being overweight does mean you have more natural muscle because your bw acts as resistance, preserving as much LBM in defecit does involve resistance work alongside adequate protein
Also 99% ...totally made up
And I think you'll find that people on here will Buck the national average anyway because of their primary focus of food and fitness awareness0 -
Many vegetables contain protein.
Personally, I prefer to eat my calories rather than drink them.
A juice fast is a way to reduce your calorie intake. It also forces you to increase your consumption of fruits and veggies.
It offers no health benefits, IMO, that you couldn't get from adding the equivalent amount of salad and whole fruits/veggies into your diet.
This always baffles me. If I eat a banana, an apple, a tablespoon of peanut butter, oatmeal, a glass of milk, berries, and a big bunch of kale I'm full and happy for a long while. Now blend them into a shake or juice them and I'm guaranteed to hit the kitchen 30 minutes later after my 500 calorie shake. If anything, I would use juices and shakes to gain weight if it was something I needed to do.0 -
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What?
You don't think cell repair is important?
Being overweight does mean you have more natural muscle because your bw acts as resistance, preserving as much LBM in defecit does involve resistance work alongside adequate protein
Also 99% ...totally made up
And I think you'll find that people on here will Buck the national average anyway because of their primary focus of food and fitness awareness [/quote]
For sure relax
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I am relaxed thanks ...lying in bed
Just responded to inaccurate information
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I might need to print this out for some of my work colleagues. They keep on trying to push juicing fasts on me.
The idea of drinking cauliflower juice makes me gag.
especially when the real thing sauteed with a dab of chili oil is soooo yummy. 0 -
Can't you juice beans?or meat for that matter. Tuna flakes in your vegetables blend... I can't imagine anything more yucky but... if the idea is to only "drink" rather than "eat" and the main issue is protein intake (ok and fiber), then one could juice anything. No?
The point is that there are scammers (with books and juicers to sell) who have convinced people through junk science and outright lies that there is some health benefit to a "juice fast" or "juice cleanse". Their recipes are purely vegetable juices, on the ridiculous and scientifically false theory that it somehow "reboots" your metabolism. The truth is that no "cleanse" or "detox" does anything beneficial for the body and can actually be potentially harmful. Calories in < Calories out still applies, but juice fasting will teach you nothing about how to eat or nourish yourself properly. It doesn't "kickstart", "jumpstart" or "reboot" your metabolism, as nothing of the sort actually happens - your metabolism works 24 hours a day every day doing what it does and your liver and kidneys are constantly at work "detoxing" your body.
Basically what a juice cleanse/fast amounts to is a VLCD/starvation diet which is highly unbalanced nutritionally. I don't see how that can be considered healthy or beneficial in any way. It sounds more like a desperate move somebody with an eating disorder (and no knowledge whatsoever of basic physiology or nutrition concepts) would try because they've swallowed the bait of some snake oil salesman.
+1000
I also think that a lot of the appeal of juicing diets/"cleanses" comes from the seemingly inherent Holier-Than-Thou Effect. You can glance around you at everyone who's eating nasty, disgusting toxic-laden food while you smugly drink your glass of Purifying Self Righteousness.
Too bad it isn't doing what you think it is, though. Other than robbing your body of essential nutrients, of course.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Many vegetables contain protein.
Personally, I prefer to eat my calories rather than drink them.
A juice fast is a way to reduce your calorie intake. It also forces you to increase your consumption of fruits and veggies.
It offers no health benefits, IMO, that you couldn't get from adding the equivalent amount of salad and whole fruits/veggies into your diet.
This always baffles me. If I eat a banana, an apple, a tablespoon of peanut butter, oatmeal, a glass of milk, berries, and a big bunch of kale I'm full and happy for a long while. Now blend them into a shake or juice them and I'm guaranteed to hit the kitchen 30 minutes later after my 500 calorie shake. If anything, I would use juices and shakes to gain weight if it was something I needed to do.
Agreed! Both my sons are underweight and get smoothies / juices in addition to their normal diet to attempt to gain weight. This is doctor recommended supplementing typical for children. Less volume with high caloric content. Of course they use a lot more than veggies in them.0 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
+1000
I also think that a lot of the appeal of juicing diets/"cleanses" comes from the seemingly inherent Holier-Than-Thou Effect. You can glance around you at everyone who's eating nasty, disgusting toxic-laden food while you smugly drink your glass of Purifying Self Righteousness.
Too bad it isn't doing what you think it is, though. Other than robbing your body of essential nutrients, of course.
100% this. There's a huge spiritual/quasi-religious/moral component to so many restrictive WOEs. Heck, fasting *is* a religious practice in many faiths. Juice marketers have just cleverly grafted a product- specifically a cheap-to-manufacture product that has undertones of magic potion and for which people will pay big bucks- to a practice that's already well known for having powerful psychological effects and culturally associated with being enlightened and in self-control, and then taking credit for how "focused" and "in-control" people feel when they've eaten almost nothing for a week.
Kind of evil genius, really.
The language around "clean eating" is similarly laden with moral judgement.
I'm not religious, but I've often wondered if the rise in popularity of highly restrictive eating patterns has been partially driven by a general decline in religiosity. If you don't have a cleric telling you what to do to be a morally superior person, a diet guru might be the next best thing to fill that emotional need for some people.0 -
brittny0627 wrote: »I actually think it is all it's cracked up to be. I'm doing my second one now on day 3. Did one last year I think I did 8-10 days or something. I lost 9 lbs (nod I'm not a big girl) and I felt Better. It made me stop eating all the junk food I started eating. If you want to lose a few and get healthy it's a good idea. If you don't want to lose weight you can drink more than the usual juice amount!!
How much did you gain back?0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Many vegetables contain protein.
Personally, I prefer to eat my calories rather than drink them.
A juice fast is a way to reduce your calorie intake. It also forces you to increase your consumption of fruits and veggies.
It offers no health benefits, IMO, that you couldn't get from adding the equivalent amount of salad and whole fruits/veggies into your diet.
This always baffles me. If I eat a banana, an apple, a tablespoon of peanut butter, oatmeal, a glass of milk, berries, and a big bunch of kale I'm full and happy for a long while. Now blend them into a shake or juice them and I'm guaranteed to hit the kitchen 30 minutes later after my 500 calorie shake. If anything, I would use juices and shakes to gain weight if it was something I needed to do.
It's usually used to create a VLCD, though. The juice is consumed in limited amounts and is low calorie (not peanut butter and banana, usually). The idea is that when you basically fast or just drink juice for a while you stop feeling hungry, as that's what our bodies do in response to famine.
Is it true? Beats me, as it seems super unhealthy.0 -
I'm no fan of juicing (especially commercial ones) but I do think the outraged attitude toward temporary deprivation or temporary limiting of food groups is kind of nutty. But IF gained respect even here, so maybe some day temporary juice fast posts won't invoke a pile-on.
Our bodies work on the nutritional inputs over a longer time span than 24 hours. The software here just focuses on that span because it's convenient.0 -
WalkingAlong wrote: »I'm no fan of juicing (especially commercial ones) but I do think the outraged attitude toward temporary deprivation or temporary limiting of food groups is kind of nutty. But IF gained respect even here, so maybe some day temporary juice fast posts won't invoke a pile-on.
Our bodies work on the nutritional inputs over a longer time span than 24 hours. The software here just focuses on that span because it's convenient.
The body does not work on nutritional inputs (or lack thereof) for the 7, 14, 30 day spans of these inane juicing plans.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Many vegetables contain protein.
Personally, I prefer to eat my calories rather than drink them.
A juice fast is a way to reduce your calorie intake. It also forces you to increase your consumption of fruits and veggies.
It offers no health benefits, IMO, that you couldn't get from adding the equivalent amount of salad and whole fruits/veggies into your diet.
This always baffles me. If I eat a banana, an apple, a tablespoon of peanut butter, oatmeal, a glass of milk, berries, and a big bunch of kale I'm full and happy for a long while. Now blend them into a shake or juice them and I'm guaranteed to hit the kitchen 30 minutes later after my 500 calorie shake. If anything, I would use juices and shakes to gain weight if it was something I needed to do.
It's usually used to create a VLCD, though. The juice is consumed in limited amounts and is low calorie (not peanut butter and banana, usually). The idea is that when you basically fast or just drink juice for a while you stop feeling hungry, as that's what our bodies do in response to famine.
Is it true? Beats me, as it seems super unhealthy.
The thing is, regardless how low in calories the shakes and juices are I would feel much fuller if I eat the ingredients whole. Juicing is even worse than shakes. At least shakes have some substance to them. Juices are gone within minutes. I could attest to losing appetite on a water fast after 4 or so days (had a very bad personal experience as a teen that landed me in the hospital) but I'm not sure that would happen if you do take in calories, most of which are carbs.
I personally believe the only thing juice fasts have going for them is the strict rules. Some people thrive on rules. If you are not allowed to eat anything, no matter how hungry or miserable you are, if you are a person who likes to follow rules you will attempt to stick it out till the end. Unnecessary torture with mostly temporary results in my opinion when those people have the option of picking any diet with arbitrary rules to follow that does not leave them hungry.0 -
@Nickers5405 Exactly why I'm not going back and forth any more at least about things I've answered. Some people are not contributing to the convo and are repeating the same things over and over again. Thank you LOL for contributing to the convo, as others have done as well, but..... not all.
@brianpperkins I'm done answering about the video that i simply said was fascinating. Don't watch it, I honestly couldnt care less. You are antagonizing rather than actually taking in my responses which have already answered all the questions you have repeatedly asked. What are you even doing? commenting on who i feel as though i would like to thank because Im civilized and have manners like wtf ? why do you care? Go take a nap and get ready for work. Unless this is all that you do with your time. Nothing else to say to you. moving on THANK YOU!
@MondayJune22nd2015 thanks lol !!!! I appreciate the advice. I do plan to incorporate smoothies into my regular diet but i actually prefer the texture of juicing. Im not a big thick drink fan. Maybe I'm weird and I do like the taste of veggies juiced.
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@ARGriffy I did it like dec 2014-jan for 7 days. I maintained for the most part fluctuating like 2-4 lbs. Weighing myself at the start of this time I was 2 lbs heavier than that range i give myself. meaning like I fluctuate 130-134 so i was 136 when started this. Main goal isn't weight loss, but of course I wouldn't mind if you see my previous post lol! It did helped me jump start eating clean last time.0
Muscles aren't usable?
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