KETOGENIC DIET-A NEW LIFESTYLE CHANGE!
goddess_divine
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My Fiance and his sister have started Keto Diets, and It is hard for me to understand it... if you are trying Keto, you are starting a tough, disciplined, yet rewarding diet! I am not doing the Keto diet, but I am trying to support my Fiance. He says that this diet is supposed to help with energy levels, cleansing, and much more. It is to cut out CARBS and SUGARS! Post on here, and we can all learn together!
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It's just another fad diet...0
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you think so?! I have not done many diets, but my fiance seems to be feeling really good from the inside out.. you know?? i mean, it cuts out carbs (which make you feel sluggish) and sugars0
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goddess_divine wrote: »you think so?! I have not done many diets, but my fiance seems to be feeling really good from the inside out.. you know?? i mean, it cuts out carbs (which make you feel sluggish) and sugars
It's not uncommon for people to feel great at the start of a new diet. That someone feels good when starting a new way of eating doesn't mean that it isn't a fad (I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just saying it isn't really relevant in deciding whether it is).
And carbohydrates don't automatically make you feel sluggish. There may be certain percentages of carbohydrates or certain carbohydrate-containing foods that make some people feel sluggish, but many people maintain high energy levels with carbohydrates in their diet (including myself).0 -
Everyone I know that has done it has gained all their weight back and actually more once they remember how good carbs are and they still haven't learned proper nutrition because they just ate keto....0
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I think it's a great diet if it suits your lifestyle. I'm lower carbs now, I did do keto for a while but the dragon breath was unbearable, so upped my carbs. I now stay under 100g
Everything you need to know is in this group
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group0 -
there's books at the library on it. I read one and it seems to be a good thing for diabetics. I think it would be too restrictive for most folks. there are other rewarding things you can do for your health. like cutting out processed foods, eating more fruits and vegetables. watching your sugar intake. be sure to look for contraindications of a high fat diet, I've heard people having gall bladder issues doing it.0
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There is a ketogenic group on MFP that has tons of information that may help you in supporting your fiancé. There is also a low carb group where many follow a keto plan as well.0
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I eat primarily protein and carbs and a moderate to low amount of fat, I have plenty of energy and only see my strength go up. The rules of weight loss are the same as always, eat less calories than you burn.
Restricting carbs is unnecessary and irrelevant and can do more harm then good especially if you are strength training.0 -
Keto is a mixed bag. It's actually prescribed, in some cases, for people with seizures.
For people who don't have medical reasons to be on it, however, there are a full range of opinions. You're better off searching for a Keto-friendly group, because the opinion on the boards is that it's just another way of establishing a calorie deficit.
IMO, I like my carbs. This diet is not sustainable for the average person. And Keto flu is NOT worth it.
ETA: I also believe the water/glycogen spill in the beginning gives people false impressions of how successful it really is.0 -
goddess_divine wrote: »you think so?! I have not done many diets, but my fiance seems to be feeling really good from the inside out.. you know?? i mean, it cuts out carbs (which make you feel sluggish) and sugars
It is currently very trendy...dietary adherence is one of the most significant issues with keto diets...I personally wouldn't want to do it unless it was necessary for medical reasons (which is the case for some...it is particularly effective in treating seizures).
Most people will feel really good doing just about anything other than the SAD (Standard American Diet).0 -
I'm doing Keto too. Remember that it's not unlimited calories, you still have to count calories just like any diet. The difference is in the food you're eating. IIRC rather than your body burning glucose/sugars/carbs, it's focusing on burning fat. I'm sure there's a more science-y way of explaining it but that's an easy TL;DR.
It works for me but doesn't fit into everyones lifestyle easily. Lots of planning and work-arounds are usually needed.1 -
Keto is fine and works well, because you eat satiating food. It is not a fad diet (well, maybe it is used as such, but so is low-carb, high-carb, tacos, juice, whatever - there will always be someone trying to cash in on anything that people want), it is well established and has many followers. It is not for everyone. You can strength train just fine on keto, many people do, myself included. You have to have a certain mindset to do it, and if you are addicted to carbs it is going to be very very tough to follow. I personally prefer eating protein to carbs any day, and fat as well, so it works great. It is not magic, you still have to eat less than you burn, like any diet, and you need to be even more careful than most dieters in logging and food choices since you are restricting so many things from your food. I am on a large deficit and I am never hungry. Lots of people seem to hate on keto, not sure why, but don't worry about them.1
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Oh wow!!! thank you everyone for your honest feedback and your time! I know not all diets are for everyone (def not for me) but they are worth trying if the person doing it can be determined! I will read up on other discussions and go from there!!!
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I have been on Ideal Protein for about 3 weeks now. I was happy I didn't feel sluggish as a result of giving up the carbs--mainly because I am not having peaks and valleys anymore. I however, am a strong believer in eating whole foods to lose weight. I have been giving into the cravings too much so hoping this program will help me reset. It hasn't been too bad, but as others have said, it will not help a person learn lifestyle change for long term and sustained eating habits. Ideal Protein has been around for 10 years, but anything that is a "diet" does seem to come and go as fads.0
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I have read things about keto being dangerous for some people, and potentially causing long term damage. I never see anything about it here or in other forums? Does anyone know if this is a safe diet option, especially for someone in his or her 50's?0
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I have read things about keto being dangerous for some people, and potentially causing long term damage. I never see anything about it here or in other forums? Does anyone know if this is a safe diet option, especially for someone in his or her 50's?
I believe you are confusing ketoacidosis (bad thing) with nutritional ketosis (good thing). Try googling each term and do a little research / reading up on them both. If you are interested in learning more about following a Keto lifestyle, I suggest you check out the main low carber forum group here in MFP. It's where most of us Ketofiles hang out:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
And yes, it is safe for older women...my mom, who is in her late 60's follows a LCHF way of eating WOE and over the course of 17 months of eating this way she has been taken off of 4 different medications (blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetic meds, and a water pill - go mom!). lol0 -
another good resource is https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq0
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I have been on Ideal Protein for about 3 weeks now. I was happy I didn't feel sluggish as a result of giving up the carbs--mainly because I am not having peaks and valleys anymore. I however, am a strong believer in eating whole foods to lose weight. I have been giving into the cravings too much so hoping this program will help me reset. It hasn't been too bad, but as others have said, it will not help a person learn lifestyle change for long term and sustained eating habits. Ideal Protein has been around for 10 years, but anything that is a "diet" does seem to come and go as fads.
Ideal protein is a huge waste of money. If you want to go low carb is is easier and cheaper to do it on your own.0 -
Wetcoaster wrote: »I have been on Ideal Protein for about 3 weeks now. I was happy I didn't feel sluggish as a result of giving up the carbs--mainly because I am not having peaks and valleys anymore. I however, am a strong believer in eating whole foods to lose weight. I have been giving into the cravings too much so hoping this program will help me reset. It hasn't been too bad, but as others have said, it will not help a person learn lifestyle change for long term and sustained eating habits. Ideal Protein has been around for 10 years, but anything that is a "diet" does seem to come and go as fads.
Ideal protein is a huge waste of money. If you want to go low carb is is easier and cheaper to do it on your own.
never heard of it so I googled, this stuck out hehe "Exercise is actually not recommended during the first three weeks of the Ideal Protein Weight Loss Method. The reason for this is because your calorie intake will only be about 900 per day. " ummm... ok?
I have your ideal protein right here: chicken breasts.0 -
I was on Keto for 3 years and went off because it caused IBS and nutrient malabsorption. I am neither pre-diabetic or insulin resistant but on Keto I became insulin resistant. I also suffered hypothyroid symptoms including low body temperature and other hormone problems. I couldn't digest raw vegetables or any significant amount of fiber. I couldn't exercise because my body cramped and I had no energy or ability to concentrate. I was a hot mess!!
To be clear I did the diet "right". I ate grass fed organ meats, I drank Kombucha, I ate my lard and coconut oil. I ate the zucchini pasta and the turnip risotto. I believed all the hype and thought this was the miracle diet that would allow me to magically manage my weight. Boy was I wrong!
There is very little research on adults on the long term affects of this diet. Keto literature will cite Masai and Inuit populations as examples of traditional cultures who practiced Keto. Modern members of these groups do not practice these diets and the only records we have of the traditional diets are anecdotal at best. Unless you're planning to subsist solely on your own cow herd or hunt seals, it probably doesn't apply to modern diets anyways.
Keto/Paleo/whatever, it's a cult, not a diet. If the person is telling you that the USDA is the devil and science is wrong but "my" science is right oh and by the way you should buy my supplement, I hate to break it to you, but it's a fad diet.
Keto changes your metabolism significantly. You need to work with a health care professional if you want to try this diet. I'd argue it's pretty dangerous in the long term because of the lack of data out there and the potential gut impact it has. It's kind of like Vegan because you're adopting a diet that nobody has ever naturally evolved to. You're cutting out entire food groups that provide unique sources of nutrition that are difficult to get elsewhere.
I finally admitted to myself, the science is right, the charlatans are wrong. Unless you have some disorder that affects your metabolism, you need to create a calorie deficit to lose weight and avoid a calorie surplus to gain weight. Carbs and wheat aren't the devil. There's no such thing as a "cleanse" or "detox" (take 5 mg of liquid magnesium, that'll cleanse ya!). That said, if you're getting most of your calories from carbs you're probably going to have a harder time staying at or under your daily calorie target. One thing I learned from Keto is saturated fats aren't bad and you should get the bulk of your calories from nutrient dense sources.
If you want to lose weight, work with a health care professional to establish a realistic calorie deficit. You really can eat whatever you want and be perfectly healthy as long as you stay within your energy requirements. Don't believe the snake oil diet hype!!!0 -
I was on Keto for 3 years and went off because it caused IBS and nutrient malabsorption. I am neither pre-diabetic or insulin resistant but on Keto I became insulin resistant. I also suffered hypothyroid symptoms including low body temperature and other hormone problems. I couldn't digest raw vegetables or any significant amount of fiber. I couldn't exercise because my body cramped and I had no energy or ability to concentrate. I was a hot mess!!
To be clear I did the diet "right". I ate grass fed organ meats, I drank Kombucha, I ate my lard and coconut oil. I ate the zucchini pasta and the turnip risotto. I believed all the hype and thought this was the miracle diet that would allow me to magically manage my weight. Boy was I wrong!
There is very little research on adults on the long term affects of this diet. Keto literature will cite Masai and Inuit populations as examples of traditional cultures who practiced Keto. Modern members of these groups do not practice these diets and the only records we have of the traditional diets are anecdotal at best. Unless you're planning to subsist solely on your own cow herd or hunt seals, it probably doesn't apply to modern diets anyways.
Keto/Paleo/whatever, it's a cult, not a diet. If the person is telling you that the USDA is the devil and science is wrong but "my" science is right oh and by the way you should buy my supplement, I hate to break it to you, but it's a fad diet.
Keto changes your metabolism significantly. You need to work with a health care professional if you want to try this diet. I'd argue it's pretty dangerous in the long term because of the lack of data out there and the potential gut impact it has. It's kind of like Vegan because you're adopting a diet that nobody has ever naturally evolved to. You're cutting out entire food groups that provide unique sources of nutrition that are difficult to get elsewhere.
I finally admitted to myself, the science is right, the charlatans are wrong. Unless you have some disorder that affects your metabolism, you need to create a calorie deficit to lose weight and avoid a calorie surplus to gain weight. Carbs and wheat aren't the devil. There's no such thing as a "cleanse" or "detox" (take 5 mg of liquid magnesium, that'll cleanse ya!). That said, if you're getting most of your calories from carbs you're probably going to have a harder time staying at or under your daily calorie target. One thing I learned from Keto is saturated fats aren't bad and you should get the bulk of your calories from nutrient dense sources.
If you want to lose weight, work with a health care professional to establish a realistic calorie deficit. You really can eat whatever you want and be perfectly healthy as long as you stay within your energy requirements. Don't believe the snake oil diet hype!!!
You are confusing personal experience with science. There is plenty of research into ketogenic diets, and human bodies work fine with ketones for energy rather than carbohydrates. Keto has nothing to do with paleo. I think maybe you got sucked into scam diet sellers, and did not "do it right" at all. If you think Kombucha is important to a keto diet then right away I'd say you were misled.
Here, read a phd nutritionist writing at Scientific American explain it if you think it is snake oil. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/the-fat-fueled-brain-unnatural-or-advantageous/
Want even more science including long-term studies? http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1528-1167.2008.01828.x/full
Keto caused your IBS and other problems? I assume a doctor diagnosed this and explained how it managed to do that?
You are spreading FUD. Keto as a short-term diet strategy works for many people. Not all. You should check with a doctor prior to starting it, as with any major change to your lifestyle.0 -
oh and you say yourself you believed it was magic, and now we are supposed to accept your negative review of it. I guess it isn't magic. That much is true. You need to do science more.0
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I'm doing keto. I like it. Currently not doing it to lose weight. I want to control my blood sugar levels. Once I have that balanced, I intend to cut back how much fat I'm eating.0
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I've been on a ketogenic diet/lifestyle for over a year now, and absolutely love it. I was able to lose the weight I wanted to (still tweaking things) and I'm in better shape/fitter than I have been in over 10 years. Dropping carbs/sugar out of my diet and replacing it with high fat and moderate protein keeps me from getting hungry. Of course you can't just eat all you want of everything. There's nothing magical about keto. But eating satisfying food rather than hunger-inducing food (carbs) is a massive help. As others have said, check out reddit.com/r/keto. There's a massive amount of misinformation about diets/food lifestyles on MFP...do your research - actual research regarding the science of your diet, and then make a choice. I love it, and I don't plan to go back. One poster said essentially "all the people I knew who were on it gained their weight back once the stopped." Yep...if you go back to carbs and your old lifestyle, you'll put it right back on. :-)0
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I'm on a ketogenic diet. Ditto pp's that the low carbers group and keto group would be good resources for you to learn more about it. LCHF is recommended for people with PCOS. I have both that and MS, and the Wahls Protocol for MS is a keto-type diet that shows promise for those of us with MS. (It's in clinical trials.)
@mmmpork I'm sorry you had such a negative experience on it.
For me, so far I've had a lot of unexpected health benefits (joint inflammation, acid reflux and other GI issues have all cleared up) beyond weight loss. In a month or so I plan to experiment with adding certain foods back in to try to narrow down what I personally am sensitive to.0 -
Whut. I need carbs in my life because I won't get the nutrients elsewhere? No, I don't need pasta, bread/flour, or sugar. There is absolutely nothing in those items that I need to have.
Bunch of nonsense.0 -
I am another ketofile. I started it to manage blood glucose and lose weight but am enjoying it for how it cuts my appetite and cravings, and for the autoimmune and brain benefits it provides. There is a bit of magic in it for some spoke like me.
I have eaten this way for about 7 months and foresee no need to stop.
Best wishes.0 -
I love this diet! I was on a glucose craving roller coaster for years. Now on keto diet and eating tons of veggies, moderate fruit, moderate protein, and good fats.
Prior to this lifestyle, I was craving sugar in between meals, feeling sugar lows, and I was eating "healthy." I was eating the standard American diet that is recommended: plenty of healthy grains and fruits and vegetables, lower on far, etc. walking, etc. Yet, could not lose weight even when pushing up the exercise level. On blood pressure meds, mediocre cholesterol, metabolic syndrome, glucose resistant.
My BP is now low! I'm losing fat around my waist and can see muscle definition in my legs and arms. I feel good. No more cravings. Even when I am too busy to eat I don't have the sugar crashes o used to get. I've lost 7 pounds by scale but with more muscle and less fat, it looks as if I've gained muscle and therefore lost more than 7 pounds in fat.
Do some research on this diet and see what you think. The theory is that our bodies do a much better job of being on a diet that gets more calories from burning fats than on burning carbs from grains.0
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