Sugar-Do you count natural sugars?
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm curious what you disagree with or what your response is. As I said in the most recent post: " What do you think I am wrong about or trying to change your mind on?" I am trying to understand why you seem so irritated.
And again, I look at added sugar myself (although I don't think it's the be-all, end-all -- I'd typically prefer oatmeal with a little sugar to a glass of homemade apple juice), and don't care about how much sugar I get from veg, dairy, or fruit, so long as I am hitting my protein and other goals.
I disagree that processed sugars are the same as natural ones. I thought I made that clear. I'm not irritated, just don't understand why people seem set on me saying I'm wrong. We all have our ways of doing things and this is mine. I've argued my case over and over and some still don't seem to get it so I'm done. I'm not gonna waste my time.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm curious what you disagree with or what your response is. As I said in the most recent post: " What do you think I am wrong about or trying to change your mind on?" I am trying to understand why you seem so irritated.
And again, I look at added sugar myself (although I don't think it's the be-all, end-all -- I'd typically prefer oatmeal with a little sugar to a glass of homemade apple juice), and don't care about how much sugar I get from veg, dairy, or fruit, so long as I am hitting my protein and other goals.
I disagree that processed sugars are the same as natural ones. I thought I made that clear. I'm not irritated, just don't understand why people seem set on me saying I'm wrong. We all have our ways of doing things and this is mine. I've argued my case over and over and some still don't seem to get it so I'm done. I'm not gonna waste my time.
Then you're disagreeing on an objective fact. You still don't seem to get it.0 -
I find these videos helpful in dismissing the myths about processed and unprocessed fructose - presented by Dr. Greger, MD - the studies are all referenced.
I agree - it would be nice to have a way to track added sugars vs natural (fruit/veg) sugars.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-much-fruit-is-too-much/
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/if-fructose-is-bad-what-about-fruit
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm curious what you disagree with or what your response is. As I said in the most recent post: " What do you think I am wrong about or trying to change your mind on?" I am trying to understand why you seem so irritated.
And again, I look at added sugar myself (although I don't think it's the be-all, end-all -- I'd typically prefer oatmeal with a little sugar to a glass of homemade apple juice), and don't care about how much sugar I get from veg, dairy, or fruit, so long as I am hitting my protein and other goals.
I disagree that processed sugars are the same as natural ones. I thought I made that clear. I'm not irritated, just don't understand why people seem set on me saying I'm wrong. We all have our ways of doing things and this is mine. I've argued my case over and over and some still don't seem to get it so I'm done. I'm not gonna waste my time.
Why do you disagree? What do you base your differentiation between processed sugars and natural sugars on?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm curious what you disagree with or what your response is. As I said in the most recent post: " What do you think I am wrong about or trying to change your mind on?" I am trying to understand why you seem so irritated.
And again, I look at added sugar myself (although I don't think it's the be-all, end-all -- I'd typically prefer oatmeal with a little sugar to a glass of homemade apple juice), and don't care about how much sugar I get from veg, dairy, or fruit, so long as I am hitting my protein and other goals.
I will pay attention to added sugar mostly because it's a great way for me personally to identify foods that may have some extra calories that I can avoid. But if I'm craving something sweet, I may choose a cup of coffee or tea with a teaspoon of sugar over a bowl of pineapple (or I may not, it depends on what else I've had to eat that day or what I'm really craving). I think sometimes this conversations get so confusing because we're looking at foods in relative isolation.
For me, a piece of toast with peanut butter and some grape jelly is going to "feel" different than a piece of toast with just grape jelly -- adding fat always seems to slow down how the sugar hits my system. And I've never felt satisfied by fruit alone. If I eat 300 calories of fruit, I'll be hungry again almost immediately, but a small lunch of 300-400 calories that contains some fruit is fine.
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summerkissed wrote: »Wow no wonder kids struggle these days when the adults around them act like this!! *face palm* petty petty petty
Tell me about it, arguing with science and just using IMO to disprove it....tsk.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm curious what you disagree with or what your response is. As I said in the most recent post: " What do you think I am wrong about or trying to change your mind on?" I am trying to understand why you seem so irritated.
And again, I look at added sugar myself (although I don't think it's the be-all, end-all -- I'd typically prefer oatmeal with a little sugar to a glass of homemade apple juice), and don't care about how much sugar I get from veg, dairy, or fruit, so long as I am hitting my protein and other goals.
I disagree that processed sugars are the same as natural ones. I thought I made that clear. I'm not irritated, just don't understand why people seem set on me saying I'm wrong. We all have our ways of doing things and this is mine. I've argued my case over and over and some still don't seem to get it so I'm done. I'm not gonna waste my time.
So you disagree with my statement that the sugar in an apple is fructose, glucose, sucrose (which breaks down into glucose and fructose) and that table sugar is sucrose?
On what basis?
If what you mean is that YOU react differently to an apple and a cookie, no one would argue.0 -
Every day I go over my sugar "goal" but when I subtract my fruit and veggie sugars I am well under. I don't think natural sugar should count but curious what everyone else thinks.
An example: Today I prelogged my diary and I have 63g of sugar and my goal is 45g. I subtracted my two servings of fruit and the sugars in my homemade vegetable soup and I have only had about 24g of actual added sugar.
I am not sure why natural sugars wouldn't count. Your body has to process them just like added sugar, and they are still calories. There's even some evidence that the natural sugars found in fruit (fructose) actually lead to worse outcomes like cancer.
This is different from something like fiber (as others have mentioend) where your body is incapable of breaking down and digesting. In the case of fiber, your body more or less ignores those calories because it doesn't get past your intestines (ignoring gut bacteria that break it down).0 -
If you have a medical reason to track your sugar, consult with your doctor. I know diabetics have to track ALL sugar, natural or not. If you don't have any reason outside of your own curiosity...I say don't track it or don't worry about it.0
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This discussion screams for this ..
http://theconversation.com/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978
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I don't track sugar but I keep my fruit serving to one or two before 6 pm. I track protein, fat and carbs...specially carbs.0
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Every day I go over my sugar "goal" but when I subtract my fruit and veggie sugars I am well under. I don't think natural sugar should count but curious what everyone else thinks.
An example: Today I prelogged my diary and I have 63g of sugar and my goal is 45g. I subtracted my two servings of fruit and the sugars in my homemade vegetable soup and I have only had about 24g of actual added sugar.
I don't count any sugars. I am T2Dm so I do have to count total carbs but it doesn't matter if they are simple or complex carbs. I switched out the sugars in my diary for fiber.0 -
JonathanGupton wrote: »
I am not sure why natural sugars wouldn't count. Your body has to process them just like added sugar, and they are still calories. There's even some evidence that the natural sugars found in fruit (fructose) actually lead to worse outcomes like cancer.
This is different from something like fiber (as others have mentioend) where your body is incapable of breaking down and digesting. In the case of fiber, your body more or less ignores those calories because it doesn't get past your intestines (ignoring gut bacteria that break it down).
you've referenced an article written by an NBC contributor, the hyperlinks go to additional NBC pages or don't work, they do not explain if the fructose in the "study" is processed or not.
I recommend the following:
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-much-fruit-is-too-much/
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/if-fructose-is-bad-what-about-fruit0 -
You should keep an eye on it and dont go overboard even with natural sugars because in the end they all get broken down into monosaccharides when digested especially if you are prediabetic. With that said, The extra fiber in fruits helps less to be absorbed and fruits are good for vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients. Dont cut out fruit completely just have moderate amounts. 2 servings of fruit a day is fine and as long as it fits in with your calorie and macronutrient goals its fine.0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm curious what you disagree with or what your response is. As I said in the most recent post: " What do you think I am wrong about or trying to change your mind on?" I am trying to understand why you seem so irritated.
And again, I look at added sugar myself (although I don't think it's the be-all, end-all -- I'd typically prefer oatmeal with a little sugar to a glass of homemade apple juice), and don't care about how much sugar I get from veg, dairy, or fruit, so long as I am hitting my protein and other goals.
I disagree that processed sugars are the same as natural ones. I thought I made that clear. I'm not irritated, just don't understand why people seem set on me saying I'm wrong. We all have our ways of doing things and this is mine. I've argued my case over and over and some still don't seem to get it so I'm done. I'm not gonna waste my time.
"I think ponies are better than cats" is an opinion. "I think ponies are better than cats because cats kill peole with their laser beam eyes" is still an opinion, but it's one based on misinformation or a misunderstanding of the facts. And that's fine. We've all had opinions like that over the years. The important thing is what you do when you find out that cats don't have laser beam eyes. Do you stop and reassess your opinions? Or do you insist that you didn't mean it like that and people are taking things out of context?
FWIW, I rather like this post on the subject: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10197460/sugar-faq-june-2015/p1
Personally, I'm in the I don't track sugar camp. You can, of course, make your own decisions on how to handle it.0 -
I track all sugar, regardless of it's source, and try to stay under 45g a day. After a long time of struggling to lose weight, even when I thought I was being "good", it's the one thing that's helped me get the scale to move. I now eat more veggies than fruit and try to stick with berries, sometimes apples and only very rarely have things like mango, pineapple and bananas (even though I love all of them, I have them as a treat rather than a staple). That's what works for me, not saying it's the same for everyone. But there's some good research out there that says "sugar is sugar" - is an banana better for you than a chocolate chip cookie? Sure, but it still counts.0
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I do not count sugar; it's a carb and I already track carbs, so no need for both. I swapped it out for fiber, which I find more useful.0
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I know everyone says that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, but I disagree.
Also? Five coming before six? Not in my book!
OP: no one cares what you do. It's the fact that you're looking at a FACT (all sugars are processed by our bodies the same way) as if it's an opinion.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Yea it comes from nature but then it is processed and refined. Fruit comes straight from the plant and eaten.
If it works for you, eat all the sugar you want
How sugar gets processed and refined:
Centrifugal force and water. No chemicals or anything involved in the process.
Sugar beets are sliced and soaked in hot water to extract the sugar. This sugar water gets boiled then dried. The brown molasses get removed by spinning it in a centrifuge, the rest of the brown color gets removed by being sprayed with water.
That's all.
It's in no way, shape or form different from the sugar that was in the beet to begin with. In fact, many fruits are containing the exact same sugar.
But I'm wasting my time here because you obviously already think it's the devil and no amount of actual facts is going to change that.
I believe high fructose corn syrup is processed via chemical means.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Yea it comes from nature but then it is processed and refined. Fruit comes straight from the plant and eaten.
If it works for you, eat all the sugar you want
How sugar gets processed and refined:
Centrifugal force and water. No chemicals or anything involved in the process.
Sugar beets are sliced and soaked in hot water to extract the sugar. This sugar water gets boiled then dried. The brown molasses get removed by spinning it in a centrifuge, the rest of the brown color gets removed by being sprayed with water.
That's all.
It's in no way, shape or form different from the sugar that was in the beet to begin with. In fact, many fruits are containing the exact same sugar.
But I'm wasting my time here because you obviously already think it's the devil and no amount of actual facts is going to change that.
I didn't say it's the devil, just that avoiding it is working for me
No, that's not all you said.
I said IMO natural sugar is different than processed. And it is because it affects ME differently
Except it doesn't affect you differentially no matter your opinion. The actual sugar content does not affect you any suddenly. Everything else coming with that sugar? Sure, I'd absolutely agree different foods are affecting you differently, for myriad reasons.0 -
Whenever I eat a lot of fruit I go over. Whenever I eat two eggs I go over on cholesterol. My labs have always been good, so I figure it's not worth stressing over if I'm not eating an entire meat-lover's pizza or a pint of ice cream by myself.0
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Every day I go over my sugar "goal" but when I subtract my fruit and veggie sugars I am well under. I don't think natural sugar should count but curious what everyone else thinks.
An example: Today I prelogged my diary and I have 63g of sugar and my goal is 45g. I subtracted my two servings of fruit and the sugars in my homemade vegetable soup and I have only had about 24g of actual added sugar.
Sugar is sugar in your system irregardless of the source.
How is your body handling your sugar? It's easy to use a glucometer at home to find out. Test your blood first thing in the morning, then 2 hours after dinner.
Track fiber also. If you have plenty of fiber with your meals (including soluble fiber, which helps to slow down sugar's entrance into your blood stream), this helps your body to regulate sugar.0 -
You know cakes and cookies taste good
It's not because of added sugar
It's because of the delightful mix of carbs and fats to create something that is designed to be hyper palatable
As these products are densely calorific it makes sense to pay attention to the amount you consume because in order to eat that slice of cake you will probably have to forgo that entire meal later in the day ...so is the opportunity cost worth it? Sometimes it is, but rarely when you have actually been hungry because that's a choice you've made in the past
Track commitment and willpower over sugars, track fibre or calcium intake over sugars, you already have the carb macro to track sugars
When you get caught up in feeling all holier than thou because you are managing to control an unnecessary element within the scope of your diet, you should probably consider and readdress your own feelings ....what you should, IMO look to focus on is the overall nutritional balance of your entire diet
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Yea it comes from nature but then it is processed and refined. Fruit comes straight from the plant and eaten.
If it works for you, eat all the sugar you want
How sugar gets processed and refined:
Centrifugal force and water. No chemicals or anything involved in the process.
Sugar beets are sliced and soaked in hot water to extract the sugar. This sugar water gets boiled then dried. The brown molasses get removed by spinning it in a centrifuge, the rest of the brown color gets removed by being sprayed with water.
That's all.
It's in no way, shape or form different from the sugar that was in the beet to begin with. In fact, many fruits are containing the exact same sugar.
But I'm wasting my time here because you obviously already think it's the devil and no amount of actual facts is going to change that.
I believe high fructose corn syrup is processed via chemical means.
Created enzymatically ? Unlike sugar HFCS sees a different molecule entering the facility to that leaving it, which I guess makes it as processed as it could be.0 -
Basically, saying there is a difference between natural and added sugar is saying someone can pass this test:
It also requires molecules have some kind of memory, which pardon the appeal to consequences, is scary because it means all our water remembers being dinosaur urine.0 -
I think we can all agree that, although fruits are very high in sugar the fiber and vitamins they bring along make it worth it (as opposed to "unnaturally" sweet foods).
Personally I don't worry if I get a high intake of sugar from fruits. However, if you want to reduce sugar while keeping a good intake of fiber you can have more legumes in your diet (lentils, beans, chickpeas), which are also a good source of minerals and protein.
I also sometimes swap my usual fruit with a handful of almonds for a snack (good fats, more protein). But generally, I try to keep fruits in my daily life.0 -
miryamch420 wrote: »I think we can all agree that, although fruits are very high in sugar the fiber and vitamins they bring along make it worth it (as opposed to "unnaturally" sweet foods).
Personally I don't worry if I get a high intake of sugar from fruits. However, if you want to reduce sugar while keeping a good intake of fiber you can have more legumes in your diet (lentils, beans, chickpeas), which are also a good source of minerals and protein.
I also sometimes swap my usual fruit with a handful of almonds for a snack (good fats, more protein). But generally, I try to keep fruits in my daily life.
There is no way we will agree on anything on here .. no way
apart from smiling at the dinosaur urine comment of course0 -
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Hope this helps...please don't beat me up0
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