CLA and even C4 pre work out

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  • jakeziskin1
    jakeziskin1 Posts: 175 Member
    edited February 2016
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    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My test level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
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    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My tear level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

    I'm saying test boosters won't do anything. Illegal steroids work because they involve elevating testosterone by 2X normal or more (or for test similar molecules, they react equivalent to raising test that much). Nothing that will stay legal is going to do that kind of change in test, so a test booster is worthless.

    If you want to feel more of the "pump" during lifting, anecdotal some people feel more blood flow from things like beta alanine and nitric oxide precursers (like arginine) but it isn't going to replace proper technique and properly functioning shoulder joints.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,220 Member
    edited February 2016
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    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My test level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

    What he said was that since your test levels are fine you would have to double your normal levels to see improvement and the only way to do that is illegal.

    The pump isn't what makes your lifts better or makes your muscles grow. An appropriate training plan and improved lifting technique will.
  • jakeziskin1
    jakeziskin1 Posts: 175 Member
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    senecarr wrote: »
    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My tear level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

    I'm saying test boosters won't do anything. Illegal steroids work because they involve elevating testosterone by 2X normal or more (or for test similar molecules, they react equivalent to raising test that much). Nothing that will stay legal is going to do that kind of change in test, so a test booster is worthless.

    If you want to feel more of the "pump" during lifting, anecdotal some people feel more blood flow from things like beta alanine and nitric oxide precursers (like arginine) but it isn't going to replace proper technique and properly functioning shoulder joints.

    I know weight lifting and training is a skill and should be taken with caution. I work out 4xs a week and have been doing so since last February. I love working out, I just hate when I'm on set 3 or 4 and at rep 5/6 I struggle and can't finish. I Always here people taking about what there on or how pumped they feel. I know there's no magic pill, it's me and working out. I go light enough not to hurt myself but heavy enough to build up my muscle. I just want to take something to help keep my pump up and want to finish my sets.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,344 Member
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    senecarr wrote: »
    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My tear level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

    I'm saying test boosters won't do anything. Illegal steroids work because they involve elevating testosterone by 2X normal or more (or for test similar molecules, they react equivalent to raising test that much). Nothing that will stay legal is going to do that kind of change in test, so a test booster is worthless.

    If you want to feel more of the "pump" during lifting, anecdotal some people feel more blood flow from things like beta alanine and nitric oxide precursers (like arginine) but it isn't going to replace proper technique and properly functioning shoulder joints.

    ...and getting a "pump" will do exactly zip squat zilch zero nada for any kind of 'gainz'. If all the OP wants is a "pump", do a few sets of 20+ reps at low weight. Better than wasting money on a some bogus "supplement" which isn't going to make you bigger, stronger or more "pumped".
  • jakeziskin1
    jakeziskin1 Posts: 175 Member
    edited February 2016
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    usmcmp wrote: »
    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My test level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

    What he said was that since your test levels are fine you would have to double your normal levels to see improvement and the only way to do that is illegal.

    The pump isn't what makes your lifts better or makes your muscles grow. An appropriate training plan and improved lifting technique will.

    What's the pump for then?
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,220 Member
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    senecarr wrote: »
    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My tear level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

    I'm saying test boosters won't do anything. Illegal steroids work because they involve elevating testosterone by 2X normal or more (or for test similar molecules, they react equivalent to raising test that much). Nothing that will stay legal is going to do that kind of change in test, so a test booster is worthless.

    If you want to feel more of the "pump" during lifting, anecdotal some people feel more blood flow from things like beta alanine and nitric oxide precursers (like arginine) but it isn't going to replace proper technique and properly functioning shoulder joints.

    I know weight lifting and training is a skill and should be taken with caution. I work out 4xs a week and have been doing so since last February. I love working out, I just hate when I'm on set 3 or 4 and at rep 5/6 I struggle and can't finish. I Always here people taking about what there on or how pumped they feel. I know there's no magic pill, it's me and working out. I go light enough not to hurt myself but heavy enough to build up my muscle. I just want to take something to help keep my pump up and want to finish my sets.

    I ate sour worms the other day about 45 minutes before lifting and had the best chest pump going. All my sets were solid. No supplement needed.
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
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    usmcmp wrote: »
    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My test level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

    What he said was that since your test levels are fine you would have to double your normal levels to see improvement and the only way to do that is illegal.

    The pump isn't what makes your lifts better or makes your muscles grow. An appropriate training plan and improved lifting technique will.

    What's the pump for then?

    Orgasm alternative according to Arnold.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,220 Member
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    usmcmp wrote: »
    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My test level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

    What he said was that since your test levels are fine you would have to double your normal levels to see improvement and the only way to do that is illegal.

    The pump isn't what makes your lifts better or makes your muscles grow. An appropriate training plan and improved lifting technique will.

    What's the pump for then?

    The pump is simply added blood volume. I find that having a pump when doing biceps actually inhibits my workouts. Recovery is where you grow, not the pump.
  • jakeziskin1
    jakeziskin1 Posts: 175 Member
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    Are you a lifter? You keep repeating yourself on training and lifting techique like I don't have a trainer or haven't ever been to a gym?
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,220 Member
    edited February 2016
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    Are you a lifter? You keep repeating yourself on training and lifting techique like I don't have a trainer or haven't ever been to a gym?

    I'm a competitive female bodybuilder and world record holding powerlifter.
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
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    LOL. We have DYEL in this thread now.
  • jakeziskin1
    jakeziskin1 Posts: 175 Member
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    senecarr wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    senecarr wrote: »
    If you already have low test, it would be a doctor's call to prescribe you something.
    If you testosterone is normal, there's scant evidence that anything less than doubling normal testosterone and going into supranormal levels will impact performance to a statistically significant amount.

    Can you repeat this I don't understand what you wrote. My test level is fine, I want something for more of a pump for weight lifting

    What he said was that since your test levels are fine you would have to double your normal levels to see improvement and the only way to do that is illegal.

    The pump isn't what makes your lifts better or makes your muscles grow. An appropriate training plan and improved lifting technique will.

    What's the pump for then?

    Orgasm alternative according to Arnold.

    So how about NO booster
    What should I be taking?
  • jakeziskin1
    jakeziskin1 Posts: 175 Member
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    senecarr wrote: »
    LOL. We have DYEL in this thread now.

    Huh?
  • jakeziskin1
    jakeziskin1 Posts: 175 Member
    edited February 2016
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    usmcmp wrote: »
    Are you a lifter? You keep repeating yourself on training and lifting techique like I don't have a trainer or haven't ever been to a gym?

    I'm a competitive female bodybuilder and world record holding powerlifter.[/

    Sounds good
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
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    senecarr wrote: »
    LOL. We have DYEL in this thread now.

    Huh?

    DYEL: Do You Even Lift.
  • jakeziskin1
    jakeziskin1 Posts: 175 Member
    edited February 2016
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    Take care
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
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    Most people from these posts are no help lol take care everyone

    Quite the contrary. You received the most useful advice possible: consult with a trainer, preferably a sports rehab / physical therapy specialist, to fix your shoulder problem. Barring that, any substance that's really going to do anything your shoulders isn't going to be for sale at a GNC.
  • jakeziskin1
    jakeziskin1 Posts: 175 Member
    edited February 2016
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    senecarr wrote: »
    Most people from these posts are no help lol take care everyone

    Quite the contrary. You received the most useful advice possible: consult with a trainer, preferably a sports rehab / physical therapy specialist, to fix your shoulder problem. Barring that, any substance that's really going to do anything your shoulders isn't going to be for sale at a GNC.

    No I have not. I asked about C4 and CLA I already have a trainer and a sports Medicin Doctor. The problem is people ver off the question at hand which was asking about safe or any Usefull suppliments for gym use. You have yet to mention a single one. No help
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
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    senecarr wrote: »
    Most people from these posts are no help lol take care everyone

    Quite the contrary. You received the most useful advice possible: consult with a trainer, preferably a sports rehab / physical therapy specialist, to fix your shoulder problem. Barring that, any substance that's really going to do anything your shoulders isn't going to be for sale at a GNC.

    No I have not. I asked about C4 and CLA I already have a trainer and a sports Medicin Doctor. The problem is people ver off the question at hand which was asking about safe or any Usuall suppliments for gym use. You have yet to mention a single one. No help

    I have some beans I'll sell you that give giant strength. $50, I'll mail it to you.