Lower Carb
shans34
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I have recently switched to eating much less carbs. Mainly those found in rice, bread, pasta and potatoes. They are trigger foods for me, so I find I am much more successful if I contain them to a "treat" day. I am being met with skepticism and even people revolting against my decision and it makes it hard. Anyone else have this problem? Anyone doing lower carb and want to be friends?
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There are lots of keto and low carb groups here, if you do a search! You'll find tons of people.0
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Good to know... thank you0
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You can friend me. I've gone back to very low carb to drop the extra ~15 lbs I've put on lately. I have had great success with it in the past.0
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I am low carb high fat/ keto ....you are more than welcome to add me0
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I keep my carbs under 100g, feel free to add me.0
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shanninen31 wrote: »I have recently switched to eating much less carbs. Mainly those found in rice, bread, pasta and potatoes. They are trigger foods for me, so I find I am much more successful if I contain them to a "treat" day. I am being met with skepticism and even people revolting against my decision and it makes it hard.
If you had opted for bariatric surgery they would be supportive, say you're restricting carbs and they lose their minds. There's probably a psychologica explanation.
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http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
The link to the low carb groups.0 -
shanninen31 wrote: »I have recently switched to eating much less carbs. Mainly those found in rice, bread, pasta and potatoes. They are trigger foods for me, so I find I am much more successful if I contain them to a "treat" day. I am being met with skepticism and even people revolting against my decision and it makes it hard. Anyone else have this problem? Anyone doing lower carb and want to be friends?
Who are these people and why do they know what you are eating or not eating? If it is your family and your eating style affects what the entire family eats, it makes sense, but there can be compromises, like one side dish for you, one for them. But if it is other people, why do they care?0 -
Hi we are already friends but I support you hon! Yes it's difficult at first but they will adjust ( family I assume). You just do you and ignore it best you can. I know this part is hard if you are met with fights ( say your hubby/ mom etc) but then they see you changing and they go with it and might try some of your weird foods ( like veggie lasagna no noodles) or zoodles ( noodles of zucchini) and it gets easier. You may if you are interested try carb cycling as I do Chris Powell choose more loose more and I found it was easier to stick to than generally restrictions of carbs every day.0
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Actually, its not family. My family is fully supportive, it's friends. I am surprised that they are all losing their minds over my not wanting to eat carbs. It's ridiculous. I finally put everyone in their place. I made it clear that I had two options left to improve my life and ultimately, I chose the best one for me! It was a shut up or leave situation. Luckily, they chose to shut up.0
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Actually, its not family. My family is fully supportive, it's friends. I am surprised that they are all losing their minds over my not wanting to eat carbs. It's ridiculous. I finally put everyone in their place. I made it clear that I had two options left to improve my life and ultimately, I chose the best one for me! It was a shut up or leave situation. Luckily, they chose to shut up.
Awesome! You do you, and let them worry about themselves. It's your body, and you have the right to feed it in any way you see fit
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PlantBasedKnight wrote: »I have recently switched to eating much less carbs. Mainly those found in rice, bread, pasta and potatoes. They are trigger foods for me,
Could you please elaborate more on that? what do they trigger?
Kindly note that every living cell on a human body, especially the neural cells, live on glucose. the body gets the glucose by digesting complex carbs and/or simple carbs. Depriving yourself from enough carbs means you will feel lethargic and tired most of the time, foggy mind, and you will live on coffee to feel some energy, that is not healthy.
Not really. The body needs less than 150g of glucose per day but your body can make than with ease. There is no need for people to eat carbs for energy. After cutting back on carbs you may feel lethargic for a couple of days while your body is becoming adapted to using fat for fuel and making its own glucose, but it passes and is perfectly healthy. Electrolytes may be thrown off balance but increasing sodium easily remedies that.
I have been eating ~20g of carbs per day for about 8 months and feel better than ever. In my case, widely fluctuating blood glucose levels (caused by too many carbs) actually caused fatigue and fogginess. Lowering carbs fixed that for me.
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PlantBasedKnight wrote: »I have recently switched to eating much less carbs. Mainly those found in rice, bread, pasta and potatoes. They are trigger foods for me,
Could you please elaborate more on that? what do they trigger?
Kindly note that every living cell on a human body, especially the neural cells, live on glucose. the body gets the glucose by digesting complex carbs and/or simple carbs. Depriving yourself from enough carbs means you will feel lethargic and tired most of the time, foggy mind, and you will live on coffee to feel some energy, that is not healthy.
For, me they trigger cravings. 9 times out 10 when posters write comments such as yours, they are usually vegan. Pretty much the opposite spectrum of low carb/keto.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »PlantBasedKnight wrote: »I have recently switched to eating much less carbs. Mainly those found in rice, bread, pasta and potatoes. They are trigger foods for me,
Could you please elaborate more on that? what do they trigger?
Kindly note that every living cell on a human body, especially the neural cells, live on glucose. the body gets the glucose by digesting complex carbs and/or simple carbs. Depriving yourself from enough carbs means you will feel lethargic and tired most of the time, foggy mind, and you will live on coffee to feel some energy, that is not healthy.
For, me they trigger cravings. 9 times out 10 when posters write comments such as yours, they are usually vegan. Pretty much the opposite spectrum of low carb/keto.
Vegan macros are usually at the other end of the macro spectrum. Very true. HCLF is not unusual for vegans.... There are low carb high fat vegetarians and vegans out there though. Just not a lot of them. LCHF tends to attract the bacon lovers out there.
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Actually, its not family. My family is fully supportive, it's friends. I am surprised that they are all losing their minds over my not wanting to eat carbs. It's ridiculous. I finally put everyone in their place. I made it clear that I had two options left to improve my life and ultimately, I chose the best one for me! It was a shut up or leave situation. Luckily, they chose to shut up.
People struggle with things they dont understand. If those foods are hard for you to control and you find more success by lowering carbs, then by all means, you need to do what will help you achieve your goals.
Check out the low csrb group. From my understanding they have a great start up thread which can help you understand some of the idiosyncrasies with diet (especially if you are closer to keto).
And most importantly, just ignore your friends. They don't know whats best for you.0 -
PlantBasedKnight wrote: »Not really. The body needs less than 150g of glucose per day but your body can make than with ease. There is no need for people to eat carbs for energy. After cutting back on carbs you may feel lethargic for a couple of days while your body is becoming adapted to using fat for fuel and making its own glucose, but it passes and is perfectly healthy. Electrolytes may be thrown off balance but increasing sodium easily remedies that.
I have been eating ~20g of carbs per day for about 8 months and feel better than ever. In my case, widely fluctuating blood glucose levels (caused by too many carbs) actually caused fatigue and fogginess. Lowering carbs fixed that for me.
Excuse me, but that is just wrong. the brain lives on glucose. Body DOES NOT make glucose from fat if deprived from it (like in keto diet) The body breaks down muscles to make glucose. so you lose muscles.
I don't know what you categories as carbs, carbs for me are whole starchy plants and fruits. Cookies, cakes, fried chips and junk alike are not carbs they cause fogginess and they are full of fat (70% and more)
Also I bet you depend on coffee and caffeinated drinks to go through the day. because you don't get enough glucose.
Once a human is deprived enough from glucose, it goes into the starvation mode (the Ketogenic mode) and for the sake of surviving it blocks the feeling of hunger and start burning fat and muscles till one can find some carbs to eat. Ketogenig diets make people diabetic look on youtube the BBC experiment with twin brothers (high carb vs high fat).
Blood sugar fluctuations are natural, I eat about 300g to 1200g of carbs per day (depending on activity/hunger level) and my blood analysis is just perfect.
@Christine_72 once you have enough whole food carbs, and your body is satiated, you never feel any cravings. craving means you are not getting enough and your body still needs more. Cut the fat to less than 10% and up the whole carbs to 80% and you will feel all the energy in the world.
If you are going to proclaim people are wrong you should understand things a bit more. Keto diets don't cause catabolism of muscle mass. In fact, due to the increase in protein, they can be muscle sparring. Additionally, please research gluceonogenesis. Your body has the ability to convert fat into glucose.
And trigger foods are foods that cause you to over consume. Meaning, that one struggles to moderste their intake. And many benefit from eliminating those foods from their intake until they learn to incorporate them. But in all reality, there is NO requirement to eat any of those food, just like being a vegan is not the solution for everyone.0 -
PlantBasedKnight wrote: »Not really. The body needs less than 150g of glucose per day but your body can make than with ease. There is no need for people to eat carbs for energy. After cutting back on carbs you may feel lethargic for a couple of days while your body is becoming adapted to using fat for fuel and making its own glucose, but it passes and is perfectly healthy. Electrolytes may be thrown off balance but increasing sodium easily remedies that.
I have been eating ~20g of carbs per day for about 8 months and feel better than ever. In my case, widely fluctuating blood glucose levels (caused by too many carbs) actually caused fatigue and fogginess. Lowering carbs fixed that for me.
Excuse me, but that is just wrong. the brain lives on glucose. Body DOES NOT make glucose from fat if deprived from it (like in keto diet) The body breaks down muscles to make glucose. so you lose muscles.
I eat 20g of carbs per day or less (usually) so I can assure you that the body can make the glucose it needs without eating carbs. I do eat about 20% protein (~70g) which is more than adequate for my needs.PlantBasedKnight wrote: »Not really. The body needs less than 150g of glucose per day but your body can make than with ease. There is no need for people to eat carbs for energy. After cutting back on carbs you may feel lethargic for a couple of days while your body is becoming adapted to using fat for fuel and making its own glucose, but it passes and is perfectly healthy. Electrolytes may be thrown off balance but increasing sodium easily remedies that.
I have been eating ~20g of carbs per day for about 8 months and feel better than ever. In my case, widely fluctuating blood glucose levels (caused by too many carbs) actually caused fatigue and fogginess. Lowering carbs fixed that for me.
I don't know what you categories as carbs, carbs for me are whole starchy plants and fruits. Cookies, cakes, fried chips and junk alike are not carbs they cause fogginess and they are full of fat (70% and more)
A carb is a carb. Carbohydrates are found in most foods to varying degrees, but mainly are in plants. Very few foods are pure carbs. The foods you listed do contain a fairly large amount of carbs as well as fats and some protein.PlantBasedKnight wrote: »Not really. The body needs less than 150g of glucose per day but your body can make than with ease. There is no need for people to eat carbs for energy. After cutting back on carbs you may feel lethargic for a couple of days while your body is becoming adapted to using fat for fuel and making its own glucose, but it passes and is perfectly healthy. Electrolytes may be thrown off balance but increasing sodium easily remedies that.
I have been eating ~20g of carbs per day for about 8 months and feel better than ever. In my case, widely fluctuating blood glucose levels (caused by too many carbs) actually caused fatigue and fogginess. Lowering carbs fixed that for me.
Also I bet you depend on coffee and caffeinated drinks to go through the day. because you don't get enough glucose.
Well. No. I do drink a few cups of coffee a day but I drink decaf. I like the taste of coffee... Usually bulletproof coffee with coconut oil, heavy cream (33-56%fat), stevia, and maybe a bit of protein powder later in the day.PlantBasedKnight wrote: »Not really. The body needs less than 150g of glucose per day but your body can make than with ease. There is no need for people to eat carbs for energy. After cutting back on carbs you may feel lethargic for a couple of days while your body is becoming adapted to using fat for fuel and making its own glucose, but it passes and is perfectly healthy. Electrolytes may be thrown off balance but increasing sodium easily remedies that.
I have been eating ~20g of carbs per day for about 8 months and feel better than ever. In my case, widely fluctuating blood glucose levels (caused by too many carbs) actually caused fatigue and fogginess. Lowering carbs fixed that for me.
Once a human is deprived enough from glucose, it goes into the starvation mode (the Ketogenic mode) and for the sake of surviving it blocks the feeling of hunger and start burning fat and muscles till one can find some carbs to eat. Ketogenig diets make people diabetic look on youtube the BBC experiment with twin brothers (high carb vs high fat).
I doubt I am "starvation mode". Fat oxidizing mode maybe.
The ketogenic diet is muscle sparing. Muscle losses are usually minimal.
Ketogenic diets do not make people diabetic. It can make you insulin resistant temporarily if you reintroduce carbs at a higher level but that fixes itself within a day or so. It is just the body readjusting to a different primary fuel source.PlantBasedKnight wrote: »Not really. The body needs less than 150g of glucose per day but your body can make than with ease. There is no need for people to eat carbs for energy. After cutting back on carbs you may feel lethargic for a couple of days while your body is becoming adapted to using fat for fuel and making its own glucose, but it passes and is perfectly healthy. Electrolytes may be thrown off balance but increasing sodium easily remedies that.
I have been eating ~20g of carbs per day for about 8 months and feel better than ever. In my case, widely fluctuating blood glucose levels (caused by too many carbs) actually caused fatigue and fogginess. Lowering carbs fixed that for me.
Blood sugar fluctuations are natural, I eat about 300g to 1200g of carbs per day (depending on activity/hunger level) and my blood analysis is just perfect.
Good. I hope your BG stays perfect. Mine, unfortunately, is not perfect any longer. Your diet is not well suited to my situation.
ETA, your appetite is much larger than mine.0 -
Sounds like a south beach style approach. Pretty effective, imho!0
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PlantBasedKnight wrote: »Not really. The body needs less than 150g of glucose per day but your body can make than with ease. There is no need for people to eat carbs for energy. After cutting back on carbs you may feel lethargic for a couple of days while your body is becoming adapted to using fat for fuel and making its own glucose, but it passes and is perfectly healthy. Electrolytes may be thrown off balance but increasing sodium easily remedies that.
I have been eating ~20g of carbs per day for about 8 months and feel better than ever. In my case, widely fluctuating blood glucose levels (caused by too many carbs) actually caused fatigue and fogginess. Lowering carbs fixed that for me.
Excuse me, but that is just wrong. the brain lives on glucose. Body DOES NOT make glucose from fat if deprived from it (like in keto diet) The body breaks down muscles to make glucose. so you lose muscles.
I don't know what you categories as carbs, carbs for me are whole starchy plants and fruits. Cookies, cakes, fried chips and junk alike are not carbs they cause fogginess and they are full of fat (70% and more)
Also I bet you depend on coffee and caffeinated drinks to go through the day. because you don't get enough glucose.
Once a human is deprived enough from glucose, it goes into the starvation mode (the Ketogenic mode) and for the sake of surviving it blocks the feeling of hunger and start burning fat and muscles till one can find some carbs to eat. Ketogenig diets make people diabetic look on youtube the BBC experiment with twin brothers (high carb vs high fat).
Blood sugar fluctuations are natural, I eat about 300g to 1200g of carbs per day (depending on activity/hunger level) and my blood analysis is just perfect.
@Christine_72 once you have enough whole food carbs, and your body is satiated, you never feel any cravings. craving means you are not getting enough and your body still needs more. Cut the fat to less than 10% and up the whole carbs to 80% and you will feel all the energy in the world.
1200 grams of carbs? How's that even possible?
I'm going with: you're making it up.
Signed: mostly plant based, but no. Your assertions don't make sense.0 -
PlantBasedKnight wrote: »I have recently switched to eating much less carbs. Mainly those found in rice, bread, pasta and potatoes. They are trigger foods for me,
Could you please elaborate more on that? what do they trigger?
Kindly note that every living cell on a human body, especially the neural cells, live on glucose. the body gets the glucose by digesting complex carbs and/or simple carbs. Depriving yourself from enough carbs means you will feel lethargic and tired most of the time, foggy mind, and you will live on coffee to feel some energy, that is not healthy.
What I mean is that I am cutting out bread, pasta, potatoes and rice from any meal after breakfast. I am attempting to bring my carbohydrate caloric intake down to bellow 100g/day. The reason for this being as these particular foods are keeping me big because I cannot control myself when I eat them. With that said, I am not cutting all carbs out. I do still eat fruit and I eat whole wheat bread, rice or pasta with my morning meal on occasion.0 -
Ultimately, people have to do what they feel comfortable with that will WORK for them. I have consulted nutritionists and doctors. If I opted for gastric bypass, my diet for the first 6 months post operation would be 800 calories/day mainly in protein. That is what the gastric bypass is designed for and you are monitored closely by a doctor to make sure you are not malnourished.
As for my going lower carb..... I say lower not low for a reason. I mean I used to consume more than 200g of carbs per day and that is being modest. I have cut that down to less than 100g/day for the very reason that, after two years of attempting to lose weight while keeping the things I love in my diet... I am not getting anywhere. I had convinced myself to see change, I didn't have to give anything up and that is bullcrap! To change your life is to change your thinking, change what you do, change your habits and create new ones. This is the key to real change. You can't want change in your life and not give something up. It's just the way it is. I have opted on carbs. I know they are my trigger and it's called trigger for a reason.
Health comes in all shapes and forms depending on who is defining it. Veganism is healthy, vegetarianism is healthy as is low carb. So is any other diet. The trick is figuring out what suits you best.
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