Losing weight while strength training
Devonanne
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Hi folks,
Looking for some advice on my exercise routine. I'm currently trying to lose about 30lbs and get back in shape. I'm 155lbs right now and a few years ago (before having a baby!) I had a similar goal, lost around 30lbs and put on some muscle. I was really happy with how I looked and felt then, so I know what my goal weight is even with the addition of some muscle.
My problem is, last time I did this I started with a lot of cardio and a decent caloric deficit. I lost weight quite fast. It slowed down over time, but by the time I got interested in strength training and started the New Rules of Lifting for Women program, I'd already lost most of the fat I wanted to. I loved the program and pretty much fell out of love with cardio after starting it!
So this time, I started right off the bat in December with New Rules. In January, I also overhauled my eating and cut out almost all packaged/processed foods and now lean towards a paleo-ish diet (though I still eat some dairy...I cannot live without cheese). I really am eating well - lots of meat, healthy fat, nuts, veggies, fruit. I loosen up on the weekends, but I mean my "treats" are having one slice of bread with a poached egg, nothing like scarfing a bag of chips. In short, my diet has been quite good, but the problem is...
I've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14. I know that with strength training, weight loss is going to be slower. I'm gaining muscle. I can tell my body looks stronger and tighter. But my measurements haven't moved much either, and I'm feeling discouraged. I find it extremely hard to maintain a caloric deficit while strength training. I am doing a small one, but I almost always end up going over my calorie goal for the day on MFP because I'm starving. I'm eating good food, but probably too much of it to see a lot of weight loss.
Should I add in some cardio to burn more calories? I really don't want to, but I want to make progress more quickly. I'm ok with the slow and steady approach, but it feels TOO slow. I really wanted to see some serious change by summer time.
Anyone else in a similar situation? Am I going to have to start running again to get the results I want?
Looking for some advice on my exercise routine. I'm currently trying to lose about 30lbs and get back in shape. I'm 155lbs right now and a few years ago (before having a baby!) I had a similar goal, lost around 30lbs and put on some muscle. I was really happy with how I looked and felt then, so I know what my goal weight is even with the addition of some muscle.
My problem is, last time I did this I started with a lot of cardio and a decent caloric deficit. I lost weight quite fast. It slowed down over time, but by the time I got interested in strength training and started the New Rules of Lifting for Women program, I'd already lost most of the fat I wanted to. I loved the program and pretty much fell out of love with cardio after starting it!
So this time, I started right off the bat in December with New Rules. In January, I also overhauled my eating and cut out almost all packaged/processed foods and now lean towards a paleo-ish diet (though I still eat some dairy...I cannot live without cheese). I really am eating well - lots of meat, healthy fat, nuts, veggies, fruit. I loosen up on the weekends, but I mean my "treats" are having one slice of bread with a poached egg, nothing like scarfing a bag of chips. In short, my diet has been quite good, but the problem is...
I've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14. I know that with strength training, weight loss is going to be slower. I'm gaining muscle. I can tell my body looks stronger and tighter. But my measurements haven't moved much either, and I'm feeling discouraged. I find it extremely hard to maintain a caloric deficit while strength training. I am doing a small one, but I almost always end up going over my calorie goal for the day on MFP because I'm starving. I'm eating good food, but probably too much of it to see a lot of weight loss.
Should I add in some cardio to burn more calories? I really don't want to, but I want to make progress more quickly. I'm ok with the slow and steady approach, but it feels TOO slow. I really wanted to see some serious change by summer time.
Anyone else in a similar situation? Am I going to have to start running again to get the results I want?
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I would add 20 min of HIIT 3-4 times a week.-1
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I would recommend adding 1-2 sessions of HIIT (high intensity interval training) each week. You can get it over with in only 20 minutes. This blog post was really helpful for me: http://www.jerseygirltalk.com/2013/10/26/weightlifting-strength-training-routine-workout-women/#.VS3Gjk29KnO0
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Agreed about doing some cardio, even if it's just an hour during the entire week, broken down however you'd like. Also, are you logging, weighing, and measuring everything accurately? You could be consuming more calories than you think.0
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I know your pain... This is why bulking/cutting cycles are good. I tried doing it all too and had pretty similar results as you, that is, not many. So I changed it up... I gave up on weightloss for awhile and focused on strength training. When I was ready, I cut most of my lifting routine out and focused on my calorie deficit. Everyone says "ohhh but you'll lose all of the muscle you worked for." ugh, no you won't. Yes, they'll get smaller and you'll lose some, but not ALL. Being in a calorie deficit is taxing on your body. I work and I'm in school. I don't have time to be that run down from not eating enough AND stressing the hell out of my body with lifting. So once I get to my goal weight and can start eating at maintenance then I will start adding more lifting back in.
I do run though, but that's different since I can eat those calories back. And I love running so I won't give that up
Really though, you sound like you have the same frustrations I did a year ago. 0 -
I started doing most weight training two days a week and cut back on cardio severely and while I look better, I haven't lost any weight. I am adding cardio back in, but not cutting out the strenght training as it has it's merits0
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I've actually not been in that situation. I always lost while lifting and did little to zero cardio. We aren't really gaining muscle in a deficit, so the general trend on the scale should be downward. You are most likely eating very close to maintenance.0
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arditarose wrote: »I've actually not been in that situation. I always lost while lifting and did little to zero cardio. We aren't really gaining muscle in a deficit, so the general trend on the scale should be downward. You are most likely eating very close to maintenance.
This was my experience as well.0 -
amyrebeccah wrote: »My loss is slower when I only do strength training. It's not that I'm building muscle, but I get hungry and have a harder time managing my deficit. Adding cardio gives me more cushion and also suppresses my appetite a little.
This can definitely be a thing. I think it's worth the slow loss anyway though. Great physique results.0 -
What you eat, within reason as long as you are meeting your protein and fat macros, is far less important than how much you eat. A goal of not more than 1 pound a week or less would be good, or use http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/ and figure out your TDEE including exercise and take a 10-15% deficit off of that.0
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rileysowner wrote: »What you eat, within reason as long as you are meeting your protein and fat macros, is far less important than how much you eat. A goal of not more than 1 pound a week or less would be good, or use http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/ and figure out your TDEE including exercise and take a 10-15% deficit off of that.
Also this. Obviously if you want to go the "paleo" route or whatever, do what is best for you. But if what is best for you is a bit more...flexible, you can still lose weight having an oreo and some ice cream here or there. Especially if you're using a food scale and logging accurately.0 -
I cleanse(fast) one to two consecutive days per week when I am shredding but still adding/maintaining muscle to my frame. There are tricks to keep your metabolism in check those days so you don't go into starvation mode but it is works very well for me.0
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Starvation mode is a myth BTW. I lost steadily when I was anorexic eating 500 calories a day and doing cardio.0
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Thanks for the replies. Yes I'm logging accurately, weighing etc. I'm an old hand at logging. The New Rules workouts do include HIIT 1-2x week but I'm thinking I should add in some more. I also agree I'm probably eating close to maintainence because it's freaking difficult to eat at a deficit with these hard workouts! I strength train 3x week and even on the days that don't include HIIT I usually jump on the elliptical for a bit after.0
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Feel free to message me. Can give more detail information to help you progress toward YOUR goal and not what works for someone else. Yes adding HIIT will help but it's not the culprit. Something has to be changed whether it's the way you're training or your eating habits...and that's what they are, "habits." We need to break a habit that is causing you to plateau.
Please message me...what are your goals? Are you currently employed? (If so what kind of job is it?)
Age, ht, wt, activity level etc. Would love to help any way I can.
I work with many clients with similar goals as you...just have to program out what works for you.
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You've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14 because your body wasn't in large enough deficit. If your stronger than before, you may have added some muscle mass, so it's possible you've lost more than you think.
Unfortunately you need to create a deficit to see results, either cardio or reduced calories. How many calories do you eat per day?0 -
I'm gaining muscle. I can tell my body looks stronger and tighter.
Sorry you are not gaining muscle. Women body builders who are eating at a bulk and getting crazy amounts of protein are LUCKY to put on .5 lbs a month of muscle. You're likely not training hard enough, eating hard enough, or getting enough protein. You can get stronger without putting on muscle mass. Also when you start lifting your muscles will swell up with water and become more visible.
That's likely what's happening here, when you start a new exercise your muscles retain water to repair themselves. It's possible you've lost an additional 2-3 lbs but because you are progressively increasing your lifts your muscles are hanging on to water.
That said, it's also highly likely you are eating more than you think. A piece of bread and a poached egg isn't really any 'better' for you than chips when it comes to weight loss. Make sure you are tightening your logging. Weigh every solid you eat, don't use measuring cups for anything that isn't a liquid. Weigh butter, weigh peanut butter. Make sure you are selecting good food choices in the MFP library. Someone else's homemade tuna salad is not the same as yours.
Could you add cardio? Sure. I find cardio can compensate for the fudge factor of bad logging. But you don't have to add cardio.0 -
blues4miles wrote: »I'm gaining muscle. I can tell my body looks stronger and tighter.
Sorry you are not gaining muscle. Women body builders who are eating at a bulk and getting crazy amounts of protein are LUCKY to put on .5 lbs a month of muscle. You're likely not training hard enough, eating hard enough, or getting enough protein. You can get stronger without putting on muscle mass. Also when you start lifting your muscles will swell up with water and become more visible.
That's likely what's happening here, when you start a new exercise your muscles retain water to repair themselves. It's possible you've lost an additional 2-3 lbs but because you are progressively increasing your lifts your muscles are hanging on to water.
That said, it's also highly likely you are eating more than you think. A piece of bread and a poached egg isn't really any 'better' for you than chips when it comes to weight loss. Make sure you are tightening your logging. Weigh every solid you eat, don't use measuring cups for anything that isn't a liquid. Weigh butter, weigh peanut butter. Make sure you are selecting good food choices in the MFP library. Someone else's homemade tuna salad is not the same as yours.
Could you add cardio? Sure. I find cardio can compensated for the fudge factor of bad logging. But you don't have to add cardio.
I already stated that I'm very careful with logging, and weigh my food. I only used the bread and egg example to illustrate that that is my weekend "treat" as opposed to just having the egg on it's own. I'm trying to eat well not just for weight loss but for my whole body's health.0 -
VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »You've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14 because your body wasn't in large enough deficit. If your stronger than before, you may have added some muscle mass, so it's possible you've lost more than you think.
Unfortunately you need to create a deficit to see results, either cardio or reduced calories. How many calories do you eat per day?
I average around 1800-1900 per day. Sometimes less sometimes a little more. I just can't seem to get under that without being really hungry. So I'm not surprised I'm not losing faster! I'm just wondering if adding in cardio is the answer to burn more calories. I was hoping to hear of other people's experiences - I do realize that I need a deficit to lose fat.
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Also, my Fitbit (Charge HR) says I burn between 1900-2200 calories per day. So yeah, not much of a deficit going on. I'm thinking a few running sessions per week might help.0
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VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »You've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14 because your body wasn't in large enough deficit. If your stronger than before, you may have added some muscle mass, so it's possible you've lost more than you think.
Unfortunately you need to create a deficit to see results, either cardio or reduced calories. How many calories do you eat per day?
I average around 1800-1900 per day. Sometimes less sometimes a little more. I just can't seem to get under that without being really hungry. So I'm not surprised I'm not losing faster! I'm just wondering if adding in cardio is the answer to burn more calories. I was hoping to hear of other people's experiences - I do realize that I need a deficit to lose fat.
Everyday on my home stream I see dairies between 1200-1600 calories for most women.
If I was you I would add 3 sessions of cardio per week each burning 300 calories and I would drop calories to 1600. Based on what you said, this should result in a 1lb per week loss.0 -
VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »You've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14 because your body wasn't in large enough deficit. If your stronger than before, you may have added some muscle mass, so it's possible you've lost more than you think.
Unfortunately you need to create a deficit to see results, either cardio or reduced calories. How many calories do you eat per day?
I average around 1800-1900 per day. Sometimes less sometimes a little more. I just can't seem to get under that without being really hungry. So I'm not surprised I'm not losing faster! I'm just wondering if adding in cardio is the answer to burn more calories. I was hoping to hear of other people's experiences - I do realize that I need a deficit to lose fat.
Everyday on my home stream I see dairies between 1200-1600 calories for most women.
If I was you I would add 3 sessions of cardio per week each burning 300 calories and I would drop calories to 1600. Based on what you said, this should result in a 1lb per week loss.
If she is having trouble staying satisfied, why would dropping calories help? And just because your stream reflects 1200-1600 does not mean anything.
Realistically, if you are okay with your rate of loss, I would look at it more as a recomposition thing rather than pure weight loss. There is nothing wrong with it as long as you're willing to be patient. Essentially, it appears to be what is going on anyways.
If you do decide to add cardio, I have found that doing it as a warm up for 20mins helps my muscles to loosen up so my lifts are better. Then I go on for another 10-15 after, depending on how I feel.
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VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »You've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14 because your body wasn't in large enough deficit. If your stronger than before, you may have added some muscle mass, so it's possible you've lost more than you think.
Unfortunately you need to create a deficit to see results, either cardio or reduced calories. How many calories do you eat per day?
I average around 1800-1900 per day. Sometimes less sometimes a little more. I just can't seem to get under that without being really hungry. So I'm not surprised I'm not losing faster! I'm just wondering if adding in cardio is the answer to burn more calories. I was hoping to hear of other people's experiences - I do realize that I need a deficit to lose fat.
If you're hungry you can always mess with your macros a bit too. Check your fiber to make sure it's high enough. Make you will like higher volume meals, or maybe you will like a decent amount of fat and lower volume. Take a step back and examine your diet. Also...protein fluff. 200 calories to fill you up like crazy before bed.0 -
vespiquenn wrote: »
If she is having trouble staying satisfied, why would dropping calories help? And just because your stream reflects 1200-1600 does not mean anything.
Realistically, if you are okay with your rate of loss, I would look at it more as a recomposition thing rather than pure weight loss. There is nothing wrong with it as long as you're willing to be patient. Essentially, it appears to be what is going on anyways.
It would help because she would see results.
Staying satisfied is likely a mental issue or lack of higher volume food. If she was really physically hungry she would have lost more than 3lbs since December.
With 30lbs to lose the weight should be dropping consistently, recomp isn't necessary.0 -
VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »vespiquenn wrote: »
If she is having trouble staying satisfied, why would dropping calories help? And just because your stream reflects 1200-1600 does not mean anything.
Realistically, if you are okay with your rate of loss, I would look at it more as a recomposition thing rather than pure weight loss. There is nothing wrong with it as long as you're willing to be patient. Essentially, it appears to be what is going on anyways.
It would help because she would see results.
Staying satisfied is likely a mental issue or lack of higher volume food. If she was really physically hungry she would have lost more than 3lbs since December.
With 30lbs to lose the weight should be dropping consistently, recomp isn't necessary.arditarose wrote: »VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »You've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14 because your body wasn't in large enough deficit. If your stronger than before, you may have added some muscle mass, so it's possible you've lost more than you think.
Unfortunately you need to create a deficit to see results, either cardio or reduced calories. How many calories do you eat per day?
I average around 1800-1900 per day. Sometimes less sometimes a little more. I just can't seem to get under that without being really hungry. So I'm not surprised I'm not losing faster! I'm just wondering if adding in cardio is the answer to burn more calories. I was hoping to hear of other people's experiences - I do realize that I need a deficit to lose fat.
If you're hungry you can always mess with your macros a bit too. Check your fiber to make sure it's high enough. Make you will like higher volume meals, or maybe you will like a decent amount of fat and lower volume. Take a step back and examine your diet. Also...protein fluff. 200 calories to fill you up like crazy before bed.
I apologize because somehow I missed the 30lbs to lose, despite being in the first few sentences. So OP, I do agree that you should play around with macros. Protein and fiber, as stated, are often satisfying. Doing so will help meet calorie goals a little easier.
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vespiquenn wrote: »VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »vespiquenn wrote: »
If she is having trouble staying satisfied, why would dropping calories help? And just because your stream reflects 1200-1600 does not mean anything.
Realistically, if you are okay with your rate of loss, I would look at it more as a recomposition thing rather than pure weight loss. There is nothing wrong with it as long as you're willing to be patient. Essentially, it appears to be what is going on anyways.
It would help because she would see results.
Staying satisfied is likely a mental issue or lack of higher volume food. If she was really physically hungry she would have lost more than 3lbs since December.
With 30lbs to lose the weight should be dropping consistently, recomp isn't necessary.arditarose wrote: »VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »You've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14 because your body wasn't in large enough deficit. If your stronger than before, you may have added some muscle mass, so it's possible you've lost more than you think.
Unfortunately you need to create a deficit to see results, either cardio or reduced calories. How many calories do you eat per day?
I average around 1800-1900 per day. Sometimes less sometimes a little more. I just can't seem to get under that without being really hungry. So I'm not surprised I'm not losing faster! I'm just wondering if adding in cardio is the answer to burn more calories. I was hoping to hear of other people's experiences - I do realize that I need a deficit to lose fat.
If you're hungry you can always mess with your macros a bit too. Check your fiber to make sure it's high enough. Make you will like higher volume meals, or maybe you will like a decent amount of fat and lower volume. Take a step back and examine your diet. Also...protein fluff. 200 calories to fill you up like crazy before bed.
I apologize because somehow I missed the 30lbs to lose, despite being in the first few sentences. So OP, I do agree that you should play around with macros. Protein and fiber, as stated, are often satisfying. Doing so will help meet calorie goals a little easier.
I agree, I could eat more fiber. Protein isn't an issue, I get between 80-100g per day. But I do tend to go for protein/fat based snacks more than veggies (fiber), so I do think getting more fiber would help.0 -
vespiquenn wrote: »VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »vespiquenn wrote: »
If she is having trouble staying satisfied, why would dropping calories help? And just because your stream reflects 1200-1600 does not mean anything.
Realistically, if you are okay with your rate of loss, I would look at it more as a recomposition thing rather than pure weight loss. There is nothing wrong with it as long as you're willing to be patient. Essentially, it appears to be what is going on anyways.
It would help because she would see results.
Staying satisfied is likely a mental issue or lack of higher volume food. If she was really physically hungry she would have lost more than 3lbs since December.
With 30lbs to lose the weight should be dropping consistently, recomp isn't necessary.arditarose wrote: »VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »You've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14 because your body wasn't in large enough deficit. If your stronger than before, you may have added some muscle mass, so it's possible you've lost more than you think.
Unfortunately you need to create a deficit to see results, either cardio or reduced calories. How many calories do you eat per day?
I average around 1800-1900 per day. Sometimes less sometimes a little more. I just can't seem to get under that without being really hungry. So I'm not surprised I'm not losing faster! I'm just wondering if adding in cardio is the answer to burn more calories. I was hoping to hear of other people's experiences - I do realize that I need a deficit to lose fat.
If you're hungry you can always mess with your macros a bit too. Check your fiber to make sure it's high enough. Make you will like higher volume meals, or maybe you will like a decent amount of fat and lower volume. Take a step back and examine your diet. Also...protein fluff. 200 calories to fill you up like crazy before bed.
I apologize because somehow I missed the 30lbs to lose, despite being in the first few sentences. So OP, I do agree that you should play around with macros. Protein and fiber, as stated, are often satisfying. Doing so will help meet calorie goals a little easier.
I agree, I could eat more fiber. Protein isn't an issue, I get between 80-100g per day. But I do tend to go for protein/fat based snacks more than veggies (fiber), so I do think getting more fiber would help.
You can play with a bit higher on the protein as well if you like it. I do way high, almost above 1 gram per pound of body weight daily, but 1 gram per pound definitely keeps me feeling more full.0 -
VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »
It would help because she would see results.
Staying satisfied is likely a mental issue or lack of higher volume food. If she was really physically hungry she would have lost more than 3lbs since December.
With 30lbs to lose the weight should be dropping consistently, recomp isn't necessary.
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VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »You've only lost 3.5lbs since December 14 because your body wasn't in large enough deficit. If your stronger than before, you may have added some muscle mass, so it's possible you've lost more than you think.
Unfortunately you need to create a deficit to see results, either cardio or reduced calories. How many calories do you eat per day?
I average around 1800-1900 per day. Sometimes less sometimes a little more. I just can't seem to get under that without being really hungry. So I'm not surprised I'm not losing faster! I'm just wondering if adding in cardio is the answer to burn more calories. I was hoping to hear of other people's experiences - I do realize that I need a deficit to lose fat.
Everyday on my home stream I see dairies between 1200-1600 calories for most women.
If I was you I would add 3 sessions of cardio per week each burning 300 calories and I would drop calories to 1600. Based on what you said, this should result in a 1lb per week loss.
I agree with this 100% ^^^^- I know I am a day late but I want to weigh in on this topic. I am also a fairly new mom. I started strength training as well in 2014. I lost a lot in the beginning. I LOVE lifting. Love it. After lifting for about 6 months or so I stopped losing weight. I almost convinced myself that I was gaining muscle, but as the person mentioned above - couldn't really be very accurate. Once I cut my calories - the weight began to come off again. I do cardio about 3 days a week for about 20-30 mins - not leisurely walking on a treadmill. I make sure I break a sweat! Also, I hit maintenance at about 1800 cals. I try to eat at 1400cals/day.0 -
Also, my Fitbit (Charge HR) says I burn between 1900-2200 calories per day. So yeah, not much of a deficit going on. I'm thinking a few running sessions per week might help.
You either have to up your activity or drop your calories (or both) - it's really that simple.
1,500 is my sweet spot and yes I am hungry sometimes but it's not at the point of feeling starved or uncomfortable - it's a discomfort you have to get used to and try to combat with lots of water and foods high in fat and fiber to fill you up. 1,500 is also a low enough deficit where you don't need to spend a lot of time in the gym doing cardio and can just focus on strength training. Of course if you want to lose faster you should incorporate both.0 -
Thanks folks. Think I'm going to scale my calories back to 1600, add a few cardio sessions, and see how that is!0
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