Foods to Avoid
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samiraeh08 wrote: »
The first was a news article about an inconclusive study with contradictory results. The second is from a low-carb agenda page with all the usual "sugar iz da debilz, insulinz iz da debilz" rhetoric. Neither is a peer-reviewed scientific study which backs the woo you spewed in your first post.
You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
When did I say anything about facts? When is anything about diet and weight loss a fact? No one understands the human body completely, but jeez you acting like I have no evidence at all. Why did it even make you mad? Eat all the dairy you want, I'm not going to complain.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
The first was a news article about an inconclusive study with contradictory results. The second is from a low-carb agenda page with all the usual "sugar iz da debilz, insulinz iz da debilz" rhetoric. Neither is a peer-reviewed scientific study which backs the woo you spewed in your first post.
You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
When did I say anything about facts? When is anything about diet and weight loss a fact? No one understands the human body completely, but jeez you acting like I have no evidence at all. Why did it even make you mad? Eat all the dairy you want, I'm not going to complain.
Because you have no evidence at all. Just opinion0 -
hollycarpenter21 wrote: »What foods should I avoid to loose around 2-4 pounds a week?
You shouldn't be aiming for a 4 lb a week loss. 2 lbs a week isn't very realistic unless you are 50+ lb overweight. 1 lb a week is pretty reasonable for most people.
You want to eat in a way that you can sustain long term.
You can actually eat all the foods you enjoy now just eat the appropriate portion sizefor your goal, log as accurately as you can and stick to your calorie goal.
Get enough protein, fats and fiber to help you feel satisfied.
You might find as you go that certain lower calorie foods make it easier for you to meet your goals.
I cut back on some foods like crackers, bread, and cheese because they had a lot of calories and sodium and I needed the calories for more nutritious foods. I started drinking water or unsweetened tea instead of milk or soda pop because I like to eat my calories instead of drinking them. It doesn't mean I never have those things just not as much.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
The first was a news article about an inconclusive study with contradictory results. The second is from a low-carb agenda page with all the usual "sugar iz da debilz, insulinz iz da debilz" rhetoric. Neither is a peer-reviewed scientific study which backs the woo you spewed in your first post.
You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
When did I say anything about facts? When is anything about diet and weight loss a fact? No one understands the human body completely, but jeez you acting like I have no evidence at all. Why did it even make you mad? Eat all the dairy you want, I'm not going to complain.
Because you have no evidence at all. Just opinion
Seriously? I liked three articles that support my point. I don't see anyone else posting links. If that isn't good enough to even get you thinking, then I don't know what to tell you.0 -
Fact: newspaper articles are not fact.0
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samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
I am going to annoy you again. Yes, it is a report on a scientific study, but 1) It is an epidemiological study trying to find how weight gain correlates to milk consumption. 2) The report is rather scant on what other factors were accounted for except for, "factors such as physical activity, other dietary factors and growth." I am not sure what "other dietary factors" include, but taking into account overall calorie consumption would be rather important in a study such as this. That may be included, but in most studies like this calorie consumption is estimated based on self reporting which is notoriously inaccurate. Even on a site like this where people are supposedly carefully logging food, the shear number of people who are eating more than they thing they are makes it clear how people who are not logging, but are instead asked to keep a food diary and estimate servings would be inaccurate. 3) All a study like this does is show correlation, not causation. 4) Again, the point of this study was to show that milk consumption did not increase weight loss or prevent fat gain, not to show that dairy in and of itself will cause weight gain.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Fact: newspaper articles are not fact.
Wow. You are blowing minds right now.0 -
SUGAR, cakes, chocolate, cookies, empty calories, pop and fried junk food0
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samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.0 -
Avoid things that are not farm to table fresh! If you're eating poo to lose weight, make sure it's organic and gluten free. If you're doing the golden shower cleanse, make sure to not add sugar to the golden streams of goodness.
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TorontoDiane wrote: »SUGAR, cakes, chocolate, cookies, empty calories, pop and fried junk food
No. If you want something make it fit in your daily calories.Protranser wrote: »Avoid things that are not farm to table fresh! If you're eating poo to lose weight, make sure it's organic and gluten free. If you're doing the golden shower cleanse, make sure to not add sugar to the golden streams of goodness.
Good luck!
What? Just No!
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rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
I am going to annoy you again. Yes, it is a report on a scientific study, but 1) It is an observational study, that is, they are observing a population to find how weight gain correlates to milk consumption. 2) The report is rather scant on what other factors were accounted for except for, "factors such as physical activity, other dietary factors and growth." I am not sure what "other dietary factors" include, but taking into account overall calorie consumption would be rather important in a study such as this. That may be included, but in most studies like this calorie consumption is estimated based on self reporting which is notoriously inaccurate. Even on a site like this where people are supposedly carefully logging food, the shear number of people who are eating more than they thing they are makes it clear how people who are not logging, but are instead asked to keep a food diary and estimate servings would be inaccurate. 3) All a study like this does is show correlation, not causation. 4) Again, the point of this study was to show that milk consumption did not increase weight loss or prevent fat gain, not to show that dairy in and of itself will cause weight gain.
I agree that surveys cannot be used to prove a statement as broad as "milk makes you gain weight." But if you cant take a survey as extensive as that one seriously at all, the which ones can you? You are not annoying by the way. You are making some good points.0 -
TorontoDiane wrote: »SUGAR, cakes, chocolate, cookies, empty calories, pop and fried junk food
Why? I enjoy most of these things in moderation. Not every day, but if I have the calories and am making sure to meet my nutrients, I'll enjoy them.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »
Ok one of those articles states that there really doesn't seem to be a basis for the belief that adding dairy to your diet accelerates weigth loss....a far cry from eating dairy makes you fat or even impairs weight loss
The other was a hack piece of woo. Like the second paragraph it was saying that eating low carb will soon result in people regulating their caloric intake naturally - which is a load of crap. I can eat a whole ton of calories sticking to proteins and fats with little to no problem.
If cutting out dairy works for you then that is great, but there is no scientific basis for it for most people
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bclarke1990 wrote: »
- Poison
- Cookies with poison
Seriously, unless you have a medical condition or religious/personal beliefs that says otherwise, there's no foods that you need to avoid. Losing 2-4 pounds a week may be really unrealistic for you though (most on here only recommend using the 2lbs a week option if you have 100+ lbs to lose, and 4lbs a week might only be seen in people who have at least 200lbs to lose, excluding the initial woosh in weight loss you might see from water loss).
I don't really agree with this train of thought. I'm not suggesting to put labels on every food or to develop an unhealthy relationship with food, but I think it's naive to preach "IIFYM!! EAT KFC AND DEEP FRIED TWINKIES JUST IN SMALLER AMOUNTS!!".
Obviously exaggerating, but if you're going for aggressive fat loss (which isn't recommended for sustainability) you should aim for voluminous, nutrient/fiber dense foods so you can feel satiated and fueled while being in a deficit.
Moderation is not the same thing as avoidance. You can still eat KFC and deep fried twinkies, but they might not be considered an "everyday" food depending on your calorie, macronutrient, and micronutrient targets. I love chocolate, and I like trying to fit a square or two into my day (especially whenever it helps me to meet my iron goals).
I think the only food I actively avoid are regular sodas and non-sugar free Starbucks drinks (there's no way I'm going to take a large meal's worth of insulin for a Starbucks frappuccino), but that is because of a medical condition. I moderate many foods (especially foods that give my blood sugar issues), but there's few foods that I would outright refuse to eat.0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.0 -
callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »I avoid Brussel Sprouts because they're the devil's balls.
no... i was married to the devil.
brussell sprouts are better than his balls
Thanks for the laugh! It made snort my seltzer!0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
I am going to annoy you again. Yes, it is a report on a scientific study, but 1) It is an observational study, that is, they are observing a population to find how weight gain correlates to milk consumption. 2) The report is rather scant on what other factors were accounted for except for, "factors such as physical activity, other dietary factors and growth." I am not sure what "other dietary factors" include, but taking into account overall calorie consumption would be rather important in a study such as this. That may be included, but in most studies like this calorie consumption is estimated based on self reporting which is notoriously inaccurate. Even on a site like this where people are supposedly carefully logging food, the shear number of people who are eating more than they thing they are makes it clear how people who are not logging, but are instead asked to keep a food diary and estimate servings would be inaccurate. 3) All a study like this does is show correlation, not causation. 4) Again, the point of this study was to show that milk consumption did not increase weight loss or prevent fat gain, not to show that dairy in and of itself will cause weight gain.
I agree that surveys cannot be used to prove a statement as broad as "milk makes you gain weight." But if you cant take a survey as extensive as that one seriously at all, the which ones can you? You are not annoying by the way. You are making some good points.
What would be needed is an actual study where a test group is taken, and fed a carefully controlled diet with results studied, ideally with good controls and helpful metrics. All a study like you pointed to does is say further study is needed.0 -
rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
I am going to annoy you again. Yes, it is a report on a scientific study, but 1) It is an observational study, that is, they are observing a population to find how weight gain correlates to milk consumption. 2) The report is rather scant on what other factors were accounted for except for, "factors such as physical activity, other dietary factors and growth." I am not sure what "other dietary factors" include, but taking into account overall calorie consumption would be rather important in a study such as this. That may be included, but in most studies like this calorie consumption is estimated based on self reporting which is notoriously inaccurate. Even on a site like this where people are supposedly carefully logging food, the shear number of people who are eating more than they thing they are makes it clear how people who are not logging, but are instead asked to keep a food diary and estimate servings would be inaccurate. 3) All a study like this does is show correlation, not causation. 4) Again, the point of this study was to show that milk consumption did not increase weight loss or prevent fat gain, not to show that dairy in and of itself will cause weight gain.
I agree that surveys cannot be used to prove a statement as broad as "milk makes you gain weight." But if you cant take a survey as extensive as that one seriously at all, the which ones can you? You are not annoying by the way. You are making some good points.
What would be needed is an actual study where a test group is taken, and fed a carefully controlled diet with results studied, ideally with good controls and helpful metrics. All a study like you pointed to does is say further study is needed.
I agree, but in the mean time, I'm going to continue to cut back on dairy, because it's been working for me so far. But I do miss cheese!
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samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.0 -
callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »I avoid Brussel Sprouts because they're the devil's balls.
no... i was married to the devil.
brussell sprouts are better than his balls
Thanks for the laugh! It made snort my seltzer!
i forget what my 17 year old said to me the other night when we were outside by the fire talking, but whatever it was, it made me spit my jack and coke in her face.
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hollycarpenter21 wrote: »What foods should I avoid to loose around 2-4 pounds a week?
Assuming that you are someone for whom 2 lbs/week is an appropriate goal and that you have been eating at maintenance prior to this, 1000 calories per day of food should be avoided.
Which specific foods you avoid and whether they are different every day or the same ones is 100% up to you!0 -
samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
It isn't that people don't agree. It is that you are positing an opinion that has no basis in facts. It isn't helpful to the question asked by the original poster.
One of the biggest problems with people looking to lose weight is all the misinformation out there that is either calling one kind of food a superfood you can eat all you want of, or demonizing a type of food as a weight loss killer. You CAN eat what you want as long as your calories fit within your calorie in measures. You can find about 999 out 1000 articles on weight loss on the internet that are either total bs or roughly the same equivalent. MFP at least is a place where that stuff isn't welcome.
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Meat ... because it's murder. Is fill your plate with a dead carcass worth the price of your soul?
(I don't have a scientific study to back up my claims of a existence of a soul and how it might be lost)
Vegetarian Shout Out! Wooo!0 -
rileysowner wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »samiraeh08 wrote: »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601348.htmlsamiraeh08 wrote: »
This isn't a scientific study.
Jeez I'm not say dairy impedes weight loss is a fact, but it should be considered. And here's a study for you.
You're not? Let's look back at your first post:Dairy is a food group that is hard for the body to digest, and often leads to weight gain or impedes your weight loss when you eat too much. Cutting out dairy is a good way to boost your weight loss. Many people think it helps you lose weight, but it doesn't.
That didn't look like it was stated as an opinion.
As far as the newspaper article you linked to, it referenced yet another inconclusive study - and an epidemiological study at that, which fails to dissociate correlation from causation. Again, hardly evidence which backs your point.
The fact is, if you're in a caloric deficit you will lose weight - whether you consume dairy products (or fast food, or cookies, or candy, or alcohol, or anything else). If you're in a caloric surplus, you will gain weight - again, regardless of the calorie sources. There's nothing magical about dairy which will stop/slow weight loss, anymore than any other food or food group.
Whatever buddy. I was just trying to help. I think the Washington post article was a really good one. Hey here's an idea, please go find a study saying that milk doesn't make you gain weight, and then I'll understand why you're so resistant to the idea.
Hey, that's a great idea. Here you go - and this is an actual peer-reviewed scientific study, not a freaking newspaper article or blog entry by some crackpot low-carber: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.163/full
It will be a little long and probably too complicated for you to read and comprehend, but in the end it concluded that a high-dairy diet did not enhance weight loss, but did not change the fact that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie for purposes of weight loss. In other words, if you're in a caloric deficit and consuming dairy products, you'll lose weight just as you would if you weren't drinking dairy products.
Welcome to MFP. You're going to find that if you dispense woo and fairy tales here, you're going to be challenged on them. There are plenty of people here who know a lot about nutrition, health and training, who don't like seeing useless/wrong information being passed on to people. Do your research and be prepared to defend your position if you're going to spread old wives' tales.
You are being misleading. That study did not have a set amount of dairy intake as a control.
"A diet with 1400 mg of calcium, increased fiber content, and fewer high-glycemic index foods did not result in greater weight (10.6 ± 6.8 kg) or fat (8.5 ± 7.8 kg) loss than the standard diet with 800 mg of calcium."
So anything you don't agree with is woo? To each their own I guess.
This is exactly the sort of study that you need to reference.
If you had taken time to look further than the title you would find this:"The first diet was calculated at an energy deficit of 500 calories with 30% fat, 20% protein, and 50% carbohydrate. The diet was designed to provide an average level of calcium and fiber; two servings of dairy were prescribed. (In the maintenance phase, the average calcium intake was 932 mg, and the average fiber intake was 16.2 grams for the whole cohort.) The second diet was the same as the first, except four servings of dairy were prescribed, at least two of which were fluid milk. The third diet was the same as the second, except with an increased amount of fiber (through additional whole grains, fruits, and vegetables) and with a reduction in glycemic index (foods with a glycemic index >100 were strongly discouraged)."
This was testing was with dairy. I think the only weakness of this study could possibly be the lack of a non-dairy group, but overall it shows that dairy does not help nor hinder weight loss.
Alright I'll accept that, but another weakness is that it was done with only 72 people, and they don't say anything about the demographic break up. 72 people is nothing compared to the 12000 children nation wide studied for the Washington post. To me, a study done with 72 people isn't worth much at all.0 -
Losing 4 Lbs per week is very unrealistic...do the math...
I avoid a lot of foods for various reasons...but one does not have to avoid any foods...one simply consumes less energy than one expends...that's how you lose weight.0 -
Squirrel698 wrote: »Meat ... because it's murder. Is fill your plate with a dead carcass worth the price of your soul?
(I don't have a scientific study to back up my claims of a existence of a soul and how it might be lost)
Vegetarian Shout Out! Wooo!
Says a squirrel. Lol0
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