Will loosing bread...!

I tend to go easy on the bread because it's totally a trigger food for me. I buy pre-sliced boring bread and freeze it because if I buy GOOD fresh bread, I'll eat a loaf in one day. But that's the CICO thing: if I were able to control myself and not eat a whole lot in one go, it would be fine.

rankinsect wrote: »

Well, a low-carb group is going to tell you to cut carbs, that's sort of what they do.

As to "fall off easily" - that depends on the person. If you eat more protein, you will tend to be less hungry. Also, going low-carb will tend to decrease your glycogen stores, which means your body sheds some excess water weight as well. In terms of actual fat loss, if cutting out bread helps you comply with your diet and makes it easier to sustain your deficit, it will help, but it's the deficit that actually matters. You can eat what you like, as long as you have a good calorie deficit and as long as you're not setting yourself up for malnutrition.

^^This.

But also for me personally this..

MikaMojito wrote: »

I tend to go easy on the bread because it's totally a trigger food for me. I buy pre-sliced boring bread and freeze it because if I buy GOOD fresh bread, I'll eat a loaf in one day. But that's the CICO thing: if I were able to control myself and not eat a whole lot in one go, it would be fine.

rainbowbow wrote: »

In my opinion, eating "low carb" is a waste of time unless you just enjoy eating this way in general.

Low carb ONLY allows a fast initial weight loss because you lose water weight when your glycogen stores are depleted. When you start eating higher carbs you will gain all of this water weight back.

As stated unless you just enjoy eating this way, forever, i don't think it's helpful. If it involves you cutting out some of your favorite foods like bread, it doesn't sound like it's very sustainable, does it?

Calories in < Calories out, PERIOD. Eat in whatever manner you can maintain long term (while keeping the idea of general health/nutrition in mind).

The first three stanzas written above aren't exactly true. If you go so low in carbs that you enter a ketogenic state your body will convert fat to ketones and burn those rather than blood sugar (because that will be gone). It takes more energy to convert fat to ketones than to burn sugar directly, and your body produces more ketones than it needs. IE, some unused ketones will go out in urine. You will burn fat (and not just lose water weight), and it's not like some gypsy curse where if you burn 30 and have a slice of bread you'll gain it all back overnight...

However, simply "cutting bread" won't be anywhere close enough to enter a ketogenic state. You'll need to hold at less than 25 grams of carbs per day for between 3 & 4 days (2 if you're wild on the cardio), and what carbs you do get will be from salad, cruciferous vegetables, etc. IE. No more sugar, no more pasta, most fruit is out, no more starchy vegetables (potatoes, carrots, corn, etc...) And even after you're in it, you'll need to stay between 30 and 50 grams per day depending on your size.

Quite literally, that is the Atkins diet. It works, and it works realtively quickly if you stick to it (I lost 61 lbs in six months on it and kept it off after coming out for the last two years) but it isn't a whole lot of fun. However, I most certainly did not put back on 61 lbs of water weight when I quit ketosis. I put on two and simply continued with calorie counting and exercise. If you elect to try it, don't try ketosis without talking to your doctor & reading up on how to do it properly.

Her last statement is true. Even in ketosis, it all boils down to a net loss in calories. IE. You need to burn more calories than you take in to lose weight, and that's just physics. The biggest advantage of ketosis for me was appetite suppression which made that quite easy.

EddieHaskell97 wrote: »

rainbowbow wrote: »

In my opinion, eating "low carb" is a waste of time unless you just enjoy eating this way in general.

Low carb ONLY allows a fast initial weight loss because you lose water weight when your glycogen stores are depleted. When you start eating higher carbs you will gain all of this water weight back.

As stated unless you just enjoy eating this way, forever, i don't think it's helpful. If it involves you cutting out some of your favorite foods like bread, it doesn't sound like it's very sustainable, does it?

Calories in < Calories out, PERIOD. Eat in whatever manner you can maintain long term (while keeping the idea of general health/nutrition in mind).

The first three stanzas written above aren't exactly true. If you go so low in carbs that you enter a ketogenic state your body will convert fat to ketones and burn those rather than blood sugar (because that will be gone). It takes more energy to convert fat to ketones than to burn sugar directly, and your body produces more ketones than it needs. IE, some unused ketones will go out in urine. You will burn fat (and not just lose water weight), and it's not like some gypsy curse where if you burn 30 and have a slice of bread you'll gain it all back overnight...

However, simply "cutting bread" won't be anywhere close enough to enter a ketogenic state. You'll need to hold at less than 25 grams of carbs per day for between 3 & 4 days (2 if you're wild on the cardio), and what carbs you do get will be from salad, cruciferous vegetables, etc. IE. No more sugar, no more pasta, most fruit is out, no more starchy vegetables (potatoes, carrots, corn, etc...) And even after you're in it, you'll need to stay between 30 and 50 grams per day depending on your size.

Quite literally, that is the Atkins diet. It works, and it works realtively quickly if you stick to it (I lost 61 lbs in six months on it and kept it off after coming out for the last two years) but it isn't a whole lot of fun. However, I most certainly did not put back on 61 lbs of water weight when I quit ketosis. I put on two and simply continued with calorie counting and exercise. If you elect to try it, don't try ketosis without talking to your doctor & reading up on how to do it properly.

Her last statement is true. Even in ketosis, it all boils down to a net loss in calories. IE. You need to burn more calories than you take in to lose weight, and that's just physics. The biggest advantage of ketosis for me was appetite suppression which made that quite easy.

So what is it?

Please tell me how my stance that people who go low carb experience faster weight loss initially due to a loss in water weight (not fat loss, which will be regained when consuming carbs again) is wrong.

Please tell me how eating in this manner is more beneficial to people who want to sustain weight loss vs. just eating a calorie deficit with the foods they actually enjoy.

I'm sorry, but it's anecdotal. Eating in that manner worked well for you because you had appetite suppression and could sustain it. There's nothing magical as you said that makes low carb more beneficial vs. a traditional calorie deficit. And for some it is not sustainable because it requires cutting out some of their most favorite foods.

I didn't say that you lose NO fat when you cut calories and go low carb. I said the initial 5~ pound which you first experience when going low carb are generally water.

Even if as you said you lost 60 pounds, when you start eating carbs again and you're no longer very low carb or in ketosis you WILL gain some of that (5~ ish pounds) you initially lost in water weight.

My point was that if eating in this manner is sustainable for her and she ENJOYS it, then go for it. If she doesn't and can't stick to it, no worries, it's unnecessary and all that's required is a calorie deficit.

I cut bread as an easy way to cut calories initially, because I don't care about bread. Now I'm trying out a higher carb diet (lower meat) and so eating more whole grains in general again. I don't find that either is preferable, it really depends on you and what makes sense for you to cut. There's nothing inherently superior about LC diets unless you have a medical reason to try it (I never did, but cut carbs for a while just because I tend to like fat and protein more than starches).

EddieHaskell97 wrote: »

rainbowbow wrote: »

In my opinion, eating "low carb" is a waste of time unless you just enjoy eating this way in general.

Low carb ONLY allows a fast initial weight loss because you lose water weight when your glycogen stores are depleted. When you start eating higher carbs you will gain all of this water weight back.

As stated unless you just enjoy eating this way, forever, i don't think it's helpful. If it involves you cutting out some of your favorite foods like bread, it doesn't sound like it's very sustainable, does it?

Calories in < Calories out, PERIOD. Eat in whatever manner you can maintain long term (while keeping the idea of general health/nutrition in mind).

The first three stanzas written above aren't exactly true. If you go so low in carbs that you enter a ketogenic state your body will convert fat to ketones and burn those rather than blood sugar (because that will be gone). It takes more energy to convert fat to ketones than to burn sugar directly, and your body produces more ketones than it needs. IE, some unused ketones will go out in urine. You will burn fat (and not just lose water weight), and it's not like some gypsy curse where if you burn 30 and have a slice of bread you'll gain it all back overnight...

However, simply "cutting bread" won't be anywhere close enough to enter a ketogenic state. You'll need to hold at less than 25 grams of carbs per day for between 3 & 4 days (2 if you're wild on the cardio), and what carbs you do get will be from salad, cruciferous vegetables, etc. IE. No more sugar, no more pasta, most fruit is out, no more starchy vegetables (potatoes, carrots, corn, etc...) And even after you're in it, you'll need to stay between 30 and 50 grams per day depending on your size.

Quite literally, that is the Atkins diet. It works, and it works realtively quickly if you stick to it (I lost 61 lbs in six months on it and kept it off after coming out for the last two years) but it isn't a whole lot of fun. However, I most certainly did not put back on 61 lbs of water weight when I quit ketosis. I put on two and simply continued with calorie counting and exercise. If you elect to try it, don't try ketosis without talking to your doctor & reading up on how to do it properly.

Her last statement is true. Even in ketosis, it all boils down to a net loss in calories. IE. You need to burn more calories than you take in to lose weight, and that's just physics. The biggest advantage of ketosis for me was appetite suppression which made that quite easy.

You mean the diet that over the years time and time again people have found unsustainable?

I do not know anyone who tried and lost on Atkins that kept the weight off and returned to a more sustainable diet, because it worked for you doesn't necessarily mean its one size fits all.

rainbowbow wrote: »

EddieHaskell97 wrote: »

rainbowbow wrote: »

In my opinion, eating "low carb" is a waste of time unless you just enjoy eating this way in general.

Low carb ONLY allows a fast initial weight loss because you lose water weight when your glycogen stores are depleted. When you start eating higher carbs you will gain all of this water weight back.

As stated unless you just enjoy eating this way, forever, i don't think it's helpful. If it involves you cutting out some of your favorite foods like bread, it doesn't sound like it's very sustainable, does it?

Calories in < Calories out, PERIOD. Eat in whatever manner you can maintain long term (while keeping the idea of general health/nutrition in mind).

The first three stanzas written above aren't exactly true. If you go so low in carbs that you enter a ketogenic state your body will convert fat to ketones and burn those rather than blood sugar (because that will be gone). It takes more energy to convert fat to ketones than to burn sugar directly, and your body produces more ketones than it needs. IE, some unused ketones will go out in urine. You will burn fat (and not just lose water weight), and it's not like some gypsy curse where if you burn 30 and have a slice of bread you'll gain it all back overnight...

However, simply "cutting bread" won't be anywhere close enough to enter a ketogenic state. You'll need to hold at less than 25 grams of carbs per day for between 3 & 4 days (2 if you're wild on the cardio), and what carbs you do get will be from salad, cruciferous vegetables, etc. IE. No more sugar, no more pasta, most fruit is out, no more starchy vegetables (potatoes, carrots, corn, etc...) And even after you're in it, you'll need to stay between 30 and 50 grams per day depending on your size.

Quite literally, that is the Atkins diet. It works, and it works realtively quickly if you stick to it (I lost 61 lbs in six months on it and kept it off after coming out for the last two years) but it isn't a whole lot of fun. However, I most certainly did not put back on 61 lbs of water weight when I quit ketosis. I put on two and simply continued with calorie counting and exercise. If you elect to try it, don't try ketosis without talking to your doctor & reading up on how to do it properly.

Her last statement is true. Even in ketosis, it all boils down to a net loss in calories. IE. You need to burn more calories than you take in to lose weight, and that's just physics. The biggest advantage of ketosis for me was appetite suppression which made that quite easy.

So what is it?

Please tell me how my stance that people who go low carb experience faster weight loss initially due to a loss in water weight (not fat loss, which will be regained when consuming carbs again) is wrong.

Please tell me how eating in this manner is more beneficial to people who want to sustain weight loss vs. just eating a calorie deficit with the foods they actually enjoy.

I'm sorry, but it's anecdotal. Eating in that manner worked well for you because you had appetite suppression and could sustain it. There's nothing magical as you said that makes low carb more beneficial vs. a traditional calorie deficit. And for some it is not sustainable because it requires cutting out some of their most favorite foods.

I didn't say that you lose NO fat when you cut calories and go low carb. I said the initial 5~ pound which you first experience when going low carb are generally water.

Even if as you said you lost 60 pounds, when you start eating carbs again and you're no longer very low carb or in ketosis you WILL gain some of that (5~ ish pounds) you initially lost in water weight.

My point was that if eating in this manner is sustainable for her and she ENJOYS it, then go for it. If she doesn't and can't stick to it, no worries, it's unnecessary and all that's required is a calorie deficit.

For the win!!

I was looking forward to seeing your reply, couldn't agree more. Yes on this type of diet you will loose weight, but you don't need to be a mathematician to work out you will also loose weight calories in v calories out.

If you are such a fan of bread OP, you wont be planning to never eat again so why not find a sustainable way now to keep bread in your diet, if you can manage it loosing weight it will be easier to maintain and ultimately you wont have a few pounds water weight return.

Eating carbs (like bread) makes me hungry. Eating protein & fats makes me full.

So I cut out bread when I want to lose weight, and add it in when I want to gain.

YMMV.