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Why is Freelee popular?
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Alluminati wrote: »vinegar_husbands wrote: »She is pretty, in good shape, and promotes miracle cures.
Why is she posing with food in a BATHROOM?
She's cleaning it, you know. You can't eat foods that aren't clean! :grumble:5 -
Even the pro-ED [eating disorder] websites hate her. And also are under the impression she has an eating disorder. /rummaged around on the sites for her research paper2
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Cause wack jobs are great entertainment.
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mangrothian wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Because CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT WHAT DOCTORS DON'T TELL YOU!
HOW CANCER IS CAUSED BY THESE 3 FOODS THAT YOU HAVE TO CUT OUT OF YOUR DIET!
FITNESS TRAINERS HATE HER! SEE HOW SHE CAN EAT 5000 CALORIES, LOSE FAT AND GET RIPPED WITH THIS ONE EASY TRICK!
I really wish your post linked to kitten videos. That way I could believe that laughing hard can get me ripped.
Missed an opportunity.1 -
There's NO such science that shows low carb is healthier. Plus you contradict yourself by saying plant-based diets are healthier. A whole foods plant-based diet is automatically going to be higher carb - grains, legumes, fruits, veggies, unless one eats lots of nuts and added oils.troutlilly wrote: »2. Science has shown how diets with lower carb and higher fat are healthier than higher carb and lower fat diets. Yes, plant-based diets are healthier, but meat in itself isn't unhealthy.
I eat a plant-based diet of mainly whole foods (I do a bit of ice cream and chocolate once a week) and it ends up on average at 75% carbs. I don't eat lots of fats and oils because they tend to raise my cholesterol. And despite the high carbs, my most recent fasting blood glucose was 70 mg/dl (normal is 65-99). And, I've lost 34 lbs doing high carb and now maintaining at 118 lbs, achieved by staying fairly active and on about 1700 calories since the beginning.
I think the reason Freelee is popular is primarily due to her very lean physique on a high carb diet as well a substantial calorie intake. She has definitely proved over the years that carbs don't make you fat. I disagree with some of her positions (like 'smash in the calories'), but she definitely helped me overcome carb-phobia from my miserable low carb paleo days.2 -
Traveler120 wrote: »
There's NO such science that shows low carb is healthier. Plus you contradict yourself by saying plant-based diets are healthier. A whole foods plant-based diet is automatically going to be higher carb - grains, legumes, fruits, veggies, unless one eats lots of nuts and added oils.troutlilly wrote: »2. Science has shown how diets with lower carb and higher fat are healthier than higher carb and lower fat diets. Yes, plant-based diets are healthier, but meat in itself isn't unhealthy.
I eat a plant-based diet of mainly whole foods (I do a bit of ice cream and chocolate once a week) and it ends up on average at 75% carbs. I don't eat lots of fats and oils because they tend to raise my cholesterol. And despite the high carbs, my most recent fasting blood glucose was 70 mg/dl (normal is 65-99). And, I've lost 34 lbs doing high carb and now maintaining at 118 lbs, achieved by staying fairly active and on about 1700 calories since the beginning.
I think the reason Freelee is popular is primarily due to her very lean physique on a high carb diet as well a substantial calorie intake. She has definitely proved over the years that carbs don't make you fat. I disagree with some of her positions (like 'smash in the calories'), but she definitely helped me overcome carb-phobia from my miserable low carb paleo days.
No, I didn't contradict myself. Here are a few of the studies:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022207
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022637
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00125-012-2567-4
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/23.long
I found at least 30 more, but for the sake of avoiding TL;DR, every study found that low carb was more effective in weight loss compared to low fat.
It's very possible to eat a plant-based diet consisting of low carb or lower carbs (for those who want their bread fix). There is a wide variety of low carb grains, such as ancient grains, along with a plethora of low carb vegetables which provide high fiber and high nutritional content.
It's nice when a person is able to eat higher carbs and retain good health, but for people like me with underlying metabolic health issues, lower carb is better. But that wasn't the point of this thread-- the point was discussing why Freelee is so popular and how she clearly misused scientific evidence.0 -
I'm not interested in which diet is better for weightloss. Your initial point #2 said low carb diets are healthier which is what I was disputing. You're conflating 2 separate issues. Diets of different macros can be equally healthy as long as they provide the essential vitamins and minerals we need.troutlilly wrote: »
No, I didn't contradict myself. Here are a few of the studies:.....Traveler120 wrote: »
There's NO such science that shows low carb is healthier. Plus you contradict yourself by saying plant-based diets are healthier. A whole foods plant-based diet is automatically going to be higher carb - grains, legumes, fruits, veggies, unless one eats lots of nuts and added oils.troutlilly wrote: »2. Science has shown how diets with lower carb and higher fat are healthier than higher carb and lower fat diets. Yes, plant-based diets are healthier, but meat in itself isn't unhealthy.
I eat a plant-based diet of mainly whole foods (I do a bit of ice cream and chocolate once a week) and it ends up on average at 75% carbs. I don't eat lots of fats and oils because they tend to raise my cholesterol. And despite the high carbs, my most recent fasting blood glucose was 70 mg/dl (normal is 65-99). And, I've lost 34 lbs doing high carb and now maintaining at 118 lbs, achieved by staying fairly active and on about 1700 calories since the beginning.
I think the reason Freelee is popular is primarily due to her very lean physique on a high carb diet as well a substantial calorie intake. She has definitely proved over the years that carbs don't make you fat. I disagree with some of her positions (like 'smash in the calories'), but she definitely helped me overcome carb-phobia from my miserable low carb paleo days.
I found at least 30 more, but for the sake of avoiding TL;DR, every study found that low carb was more effective in weight loss compared to low fat.
It's possible but completely unnecessary. Whole grains, legumes, fruits, starchy veg are all high carb and nutrient dense, ie. healthy. We're talking about potatoes, beans, lentils, rice, etc, not donuts and processed junk food. As far as weightloss, everyone on MFP knows that regardless of what macros you prefer, as long as your calories out exceed calories in, you will lose weight.troutlilly wrote: »It's very possible to eat a plant-based diet consisting of low carb or lower carbs ...
Oh so you have health issues that don't allow you to eat high carbs? That's probably how you became convinced that high carbs are therefore unhealthy for everyone. And yes Freelee does demonstrate that you can eat a very high amount of carbs and be healthy (with labs to prove it) and ultra slim. There are also rural populations around the world who subsist on high starch diets of potatoes, grains, rice, corn, legumes, fruits and have very low levels of obesity and western type chronic diseases.troutlilly wrote: »It's nice when a person is able to eat higher carbs and retain good health, but for people like me with underlying metabolic health issues, lower carb is better. But that wasn't the point of this thread-- the point was discussing why Freelee is so popular and how she clearly misused scientific evidence.
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kommodevaran wrote: »Because crazy and risky is fun and science and trusted sources is boring? I think different approaches appeal to different segments of the population, based on personality - for instance adrenaline junkie vs timid, authority compliance vs rebellious, go with the flow vs independence, rational vs emotional, and feeling comfortable with different degrees of abstraction. The same person can also have oppsite traits for different areas of life, and they may change over time.stevencloser wrote: »Because CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT WHAT DOCTORS DON'T TELL YOU!
HOW CANCER IS CAUSED BY THESE 3 FOODS THAT YOU HAVE TO CUT OUT OF YOUR DIET!
FITNESS TRAINERS HATE HER! SEE HOW SHE CAN EAT 5000 CALORIES, LOSE FAT AND GET RIPPED WITH THIS ONE EASY TRICK!
Wow, I'll PM you my credit card number....it's all yours!
SEND MY MIRACLE PROGRAM!2 -
There are numerous studies citing lower carb diets are effective, and are healthier than higher carb diets.Traveler120 wrote: ». There are also rural populations around the world who subsist on high starch diets of potatoes, grains, rice, corn, legumes, fruits and have very low levels of obesity and western type chronic diseases.
Yet, their lifestyles are entirely different from those of Western cultures. If a person lives in a rural country in Southeast Asia and they work in manual labor, they need those carbs for energy. In addition, people in these areas have more varied diets than people from Western countries, and they incorporate more vegetables and fish-- rather than eating lots of meat-- and cook their food differently. The people who don't work in manual labor are still considerably more active than people in Western countries. The amount processed sugars and carbs the typical American eats in one meal is comparatively larger than the typical meal eaten by the people in those areas. That's why the incidence of obesity and chronic diseases is lower.
The question is, are they eating like Freelee? Are they eating "monomeals," consisting of one food only at a minimum of 1,000 calories? That's what Freelee advocates eating. Is there scientific research to back up her claims which are easily generalized to the rest of the population? Or even a large subset of the population?
The problem with Freelee is she's using her testimonials and personal success to override the scientific research that was out there for years and years before she was on social media. Misinterpreting major data from the WHO to advance herself is pretty low.0 -
RobertWorthenClary wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Because crazy and risky is fun and science and trusted sources is boring? I think different approaches appeal to different segments of the population, based on personality - for instance adrenaline junkie vs timid, authority compliance vs rebellious, go with the flow vs independence, rational vs emotional, and feeling comfortable with different degrees of abstraction. The same person can also have oppsite traits for different areas of life, and they may change over time.stevencloser wrote: »Because CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT WHAT DOCTORS DON'T TELL YOU!
HOW CANCER IS CAUSED BY THESE 3 FOODS THAT YOU HAVE TO CUT OUT OF YOUR DIET!
FITNESS TRAINERS HATE HER! SEE HOW SHE CAN EAT 5000 CALORIES, LOSE FAT AND GET RIPPED WITH THIS ONE EASY TRICK!
Wow, I'll PM you my credit card number....it's all yours!
SEND MY MIRACLE PROGRAM!
Honestly I have to say, I'm surprised Freelee hasn't tried this strategy.0 -
troutlilly wrote: »RobertWorthenClary wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Because crazy and risky is fun and science and trusted sources is boring? I think different approaches appeal to different segments of the population, based on personality - for instance adrenaline junkie vs timid, authority compliance vs rebellious, go with the flow vs independence, rational vs emotional, and feeling comfortable with different degrees of abstraction. The same person can also have oppsite traits for different areas of life, and they may change over time.stevencloser wrote: »Because CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT WHAT DOCTORS DON'T TELL YOU!
HOW CANCER IS CAUSED BY THESE 3 FOODS THAT YOU HAVE TO CUT OUT OF YOUR DIET!
FITNESS TRAINERS HATE HER! SEE HOW SHE CAN EAT 5000 CALORIES, LOSE FAT AND GET RIPPED WITH THIS ONE EASY TRICK!
Wow, I'll PM you my credit card number....it's all yours!
SEND MY MIRACLE PROGRAM!
Honestly I have to say, I'm surprised Freelee hasn't tried this strategy.
Yeah, Does anyone know how her and her BF make their money?? They've got be getting some monetary gain from their videos...0 -
troutlilly wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »
There's NO such science that shows low carb is healthier. Plus you contradict yourself by saying plant-based diets are healthier. A whole foods plant-based diet is automatically going to be higher carb - grains, legumes, fruits, veggies, unless one eats lots of nuts and added oils.troutlilly wrote: »2. Science has shown how diets with lower carb and higher fat are healthier than higher carb and lower fat diets. Yes, plant-based diets are healthier, but meat in itself isn't unhealthy.
I eat a plant-based diet of mainly whole foods (I do a bit of ice cream and chocolate once a week) and it ends up on average at 75% carbs. I don't eat lots of fats and oils because they tend to raise my cholesterol. And despite the high carbs, my most recent fasting blood glucose was 70 mg/dl (normal is 65-99). And, I've lost 34 lbs doing high carb and now maintaining at 118 lbs, achieved by staying fairly active and on about 1700 calories since the beginning.
I think the reason Freelee is popular is primarily due to her very lean physique on a high carb diet as well a substantial calorie intake. She has definitely proved over the years that carbs don't make you fat. I disagree with some of her positions (like 'smash in the calories'), but she definitely helped me overcome carb-phobia from my miserable low carb paleo days.
No, I didn't contradict myself. Here are a few of the studies:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022207
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022637
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00125-012-2567-4
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/23.long
I found at least 30 more, but for the sake of avoiding TL;DR, every study found that low carb was more effective in weight loss compared to low fat.
It's very possible to eat a plant-based diet consisting of low carb or lower carbs (for those who want their bread fix). There is a wide variety of low carb grains, such as ancient grains, along with a plethora of low carb vegetables which provide high fiber and high nutritional content.
It's nice when a person is able to eat higher carbs and retain good health, but for people like me with underlying metabolic health issues, lower carb is better. But that wasn't the point of this thread-- the point was discussing why Freelee is so popular and how she clearly misused scientific evidence.
Sorry, but where protein is matched low carb doesn't result in more weight loss.
Here is a good low carb vs high carb.................guess who does the low carb and has deteriorating health.
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vinegar_husbands wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »vinegar_husbands wrote: »She is pretty, in good shape, and promotes miracle cures.
For comparison:
I also like that she and her boyfriend are not afraid of telling people what they think, even if it's controversial. I could totally get along with them. That is coming from a former vegan who follows a very low carb diet under 2100 calories.
so telling people they will die if they eat meat and eat fats is telling people what they think? fat shaming others even other fitness trainers that arent overweight? she is HCLF(high carb low fat) not low carb high fat.she promotes HIGH carb and raw foods until a certain time of night, then she eats even more carbs and little to no grains but those foods are cooked. she promotes eating over 5000 calories for everyone and says the high carb lifestyle will work for everyone including those with health issues and those who cant have high carbs. being vegan is one thing but being vegan and wishing harm on those who dont eat vegan or raw or whatever and calling them names is not the way to go.so you could get along with people like this? telling others that her way is the only way is also ludicrous.
I do indeed realize that, Tracey. She might give me a lecture on how clogged my arteries are and how I'm obviously about to die, but I really do think Freelee and I (along with her boyfriend) could get along.
Cassey Ho has fat-shamed others in the past too (even children) and uses her old skinny pictures to try to sell her fitness stuff. She got lazy and decided to play the victim.
http://groupthink.kinja.com/the-problem-with-blogilates-the-fat-shamer-is-fat-sham-1700126046
I dont know where cassey ho came into the subject. but I have never seen any of her videos shaming anyone(I have watched them from time to time and,never saw any negative FB things either. and as for the article written,it looks to be a blogger who has written the article which means they could be a supporter of freelee and twisted words.I have seen the video in question and freelee has many times fat shamed cassey.who says she has fat shamed kids? she was also in bikini competitions when younger and admits that she didnt eat as healthy as she should have per her trainer.she doesnt use skinny pics to sell her fitness stuff.please show me any of the stuff where she fat shamed children and so on,so I can see for myself because I have never seen any of these things. I have though from freelee,not to mention I know that person who wrote the blog from somewhere. cant remember where though but if its the same one Im thinking about she loves controversy and causing uproars0 -
I have no idea what that guy's diet actually IS (or who he even is).
I'm wondering where the scientific data is to substantiate the claims that "fruitarianism" or eating very high carb-low fat-low protein diets like Freelee's are effective or healthy. So far, just personal testimonials from social media.
THAT is why I started this post, and I don't see the point in posting pictures of fat vegetarians vs. lean omnivores or fat low carbers vs. slim 150-grams per day carbers. I mean, I could post a picture of myself losing weight eating low carb but that wouldn't really accomplish much.
eta: I'm also a little disturbed by the fact Freelee has amenorrhea from her diet. Don't people think that's a problem?2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »troutlilly wrote: »RobertWorthenClary wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Because crazy and risky is fun and science and trusted sources is boring? I think different approaches appeal to different segments of the population, based on personality - for instance adrenaline junkie vs timid, authority compliance vs rebellious, go with the flow vs independence, rational vs emotional, and feeling comfortable with different degrees of abstraction. The same person can also have oppsite traits for different areas of life, and they may change over time.stevencloser wrote: »Because CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT WHAT DOCTORS DON'T TELL YOU!
HOW CANCER IS CAUSED BY THESE 3 FOODS THAT YOU HAVE TO CUT OUT OF YOUR DIET!
FITNESS TRAINERS HATE HER! SEE HOW SHE CAN EAT 5000 CALORIES, LOSE FAT AND GET RIPPED WITH THIS ONE EASY TRICK!
Wow, I'll PM you my credit card number....it's all yours!
SEND MY MIRACLE PROGRAM!
Honestly I have to say, I'm surprised Freelee hasn't tried this strategy.
Yeah, Does anyone know how her and her BF make their money?? They've got be getting some monetary gain from their videos...
Google gives to their youtube "partners" a percentage of the advertising revenue they generate. So, yes, with more than 600,000 subscribers, she surely gains pretty well.0 -
troutlilly wrote: »I have no idea what that guy's diet actually IS (or who he even is).
I'm wondering where the scientific data is to substantiate the claims that "fruitarianism" or eating very high carb-low fat-low protein diets like Freelee's are effective or healthy. So far, just personal testimonials from social media.
THAT is why I started this post, and I don't see the point in posting pictures of fat vegetarians vs. lean omnivores or fat low carbers vs. slim 150-grams per day carbers. I mean, I could post a picture of myself losing weight eating low carb but that wouldn't really accomplish much.
eta: I'm also a little disturbed by the fact Freelee has amenorrhea from her diet. Don't people think that's a problem?
They're not, but no one is saying that. There's not just two options, one being 80/10/10 fruitarian and the other below 50g per day carbs.0 -
Freelee is uneducated but preaches like she knows everything! She has no idea how the human body works and she will attack anyone who doesnt agree with her! Its truly sad that people this stupid are allowed to share their idiotic ideas0
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Because she has the type of look that a certain demographic favour and for some people the way they look is their main, if not only, goal.
Many people will be convinced by someone who looks good even if they are spouting absolute garbage...2 -
Good article.
"While at first blush the three approaches seem sharply divergent, Trager sounds a conciliatory note. 'No one has ever bothered to point out that we are compatriots on many points,' he says. All three nutritionists share an emphasis on reducing blood-sugar spikes by reducing the glycemic load. Moreover, all three condemn trans fats, white flour, and sugar. 'There really is universal agreement that you should cut those things out of your diet,' Trager says."
Look, universal agreement among experts that junk food is bad for you. Amazing.0 -
Because she has the type of look that a certain demographic favour and for some people the way they look is their main, if not only, goal.
Many people will be convinced by someone who looks good even if they are spouting absolute garbage...
Yeah, it seems that knowing how to whale on your pecs or your abs somehow equates to having some kind of scientific expertise. Even when every scientist disagrees with you.0 -
The fat guy in that picture is Jimmy Moore of 'livin la vida low-carb' fame. He makes money selling books etc preaching the health benefits of low carb dieting. He also has horrible cholesterol for years on his diet and is still obese despite his low carb diet which you continue to insist is the healthiest. I bet he also has insulin resistance just like you do.troutlilly wrote: »I have no idea what that guy's diet actually IS (or who he even is).
The lean guy is Freelee's bf Durianrider. He eats a high carb diet and has posted his labs showing normal ranges in all categories from lipids, blood glucose, A1C, metabolic panel etc.0 -
She's a spokesperson for veganism and the vegans seem to worship this chick. She's attractive and has a decent body, so of course she knows what she's talking about, right? And she's controversial, which is interesting to a lot of people.
I personally find her and her boyfriend incredibly annoying, so I don't watch their videos very often. I do know that she is constantly posting response videos for the sole purpose of making non-vegans feel bad about themselves (such as the Blogilates chick, Jenna Marbles, etc.), and her non-preachy videos are of her shopping for bananas and doing a crap ton of bike riding. Yawn.1 -
_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »She's a spokesperson for veganism and the vegans seem to worship this chick. She's attractive and has a decent body, so of course she knows what she's talking about, right? And she's controversial, which is interesting to a lot of people.
I personally find her and her boyfriend incredibly annoying, so I don't watch their videos very often. I do know that she is constantly posting response videos for the sole purpose of making non-vegans feel bad about themselves (such as the Blogilates chick, Jenna Marbles, etc.), and her non-preachy videos are of her shopping for bananas and doing a crap ton of bike riding. Yawn.
No, she's actually pretty controversial in the vegan community. Many of us completely reject her -- both for accuracy and for tone.
Don't confuse her popularity within her subset (HCLF) for actual popularity among vegans. She's a spokesperson for a particular subset of veganism.2 -
Traveler120 wrote: »I bet he also has insulin resistance just like you do.
Nice try, but no cigar. I actually don't have insulin resistance
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janejellyroll wrote: »_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »She's a spokesperson for veganism and the vegans seem to worship this chick. She's attractive and has a decent body, so of course she knows what she's talking about, right? And she's controversial, which is interesting to a lot of people.
I personally find her and her boyfriend incredibly annoying, so I don't watch their videos very often. I do know that she is constantly posting response videos for the sole purpose of making non-vegans feel bad about themselves (such as the Blogilates chick, Jenna Marbles, etc.), and her non-preachy videos are of her shopping for bananas and doing a crap ton of bike riding. Yawn.
No, she's actually pretty controversial in the vegan community. Many of us completely reject her -- both for accuracy and for tone.
Don't confuse her popularity within her subset (HCLF) for actual popularity among vegans. She's a spokesperson for a particular subset of veganism.
Most people I've talked to who are vegans have more varied diets than Freelee.2 -
I looked this up. She said she lost her period for several months after going raw vegan. It came back and she says it's lighter and painless compared to before when it was heavy and painful. Her diet has evolved since then to include cooked foods and even some junk food gathering from the video below.troutlilly wrote: »I'm wondering where the scientific data is to substantiate the claims that "fruitarianism" or eating very high carb-low fat-low protein diets like Freelee's are effective or healthy. So far, just personal testimonials from social media.
eta: I'm also a little disturbed by the fact Freelee has amenorrhea from her diet. Don't people think that's a problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7MotlXsd0g 0 -
Ok, I was basing that on your statement:troutlilly wrote: »
Nice try, but no cigar. I actually don't have insulin resistanceTraveler120 wrote: »I bet he also has insulin resistance just like you do.
"for people like me with underlying metabolic health issues, lower carb is better."
Usually it seems most people with metabolic problems like blood sugar issues (insulin resistance) usually opt for low carb diets. If that's not the case for you, then my bad. Sorry.
Out of curiosity, d'you mind if I ask what metabolic health issues you were referring to that require low carb?0 -
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Traveler120 wrote: »
Ok, I was basing that on your statement:troutlilly wrote: »
Nice try, but no cigar. I actually don't have insulin resistanceTraveler120 wrote: »I bet he also has insulin resistance just like you do.
"for people like me with underlying metabolic health issues, lower carb is better."
Usually it seems most people with metabolic problems like blood sugar issues (insulin resistance) usually opt for low carb diets. If that's not the case for you, then my bad. Sorry.
Out of curiosity, d'you mind if I ask what metabolic health issues you were referring to that require low carb?
I have PCOS and at one point when I weighed about the same and had different eating habits, my blood test said I was borderline prediabetic. The doctor gave me Metformin. After gaining weight again I changed my diet and lost the weight gain. My blood sugar is significantly lower and I didn't have to use meds.2 -
Because she's different and pretty. Her main audience is young girls who want to lose weight and fit in, so when a pretty blond tells them to eat all the carbs and lose weight, they believe it. I really dislike her, because her information is so wrong! I am a mostly raw vegan and because of her, when I tell people that, they think I'm kooky as hell. Whenever she says that you must eat 2500+ calories a day if you are woman to lose weight and 3000+ minimum for men, it makes me cringe. I never ate that many calories and still gained tons of weight by eating this way, and her misinformation makes the journey much harder than it needs to be.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTerFBLVrs
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