Cardio: Sprinting

Hey guys, so I don't like long distance running and I would like to start implementing cardio in my lifting routine. I read that Sprinting is a good method especially for those that want to maintain muscle and lose fat. I started doing a few sprints, I don't have access to a track so I am currently using an abandoned parking lot and it's about 80 meters one way, I wanted ideally 100 meters just like a straight away. Anyway, I noticed I'm getting winded at 50-60 meters, does anyone have a good program I can follow that's for beginners like myself to slowly work my way into better endurance and stamina?

Thanks!
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  • Noelv1976
    Noelv1976 Posts: 18,948 Member
    50-60 meters is a long way for a beginner. shorten up in intervals. try 20-30 meters, five times. Can also do suicides. Sprint ten meters, stop, turn around and sprint back. do that for about 30 secs, then gradually increase your distance once it becomes easier. Can also do what we like to do is 30/60s or 60/120s. Sprint for 30 seconds, walk or jog for 60. Same for the latter, run for 60 seconds, walk or jog for 120 seconds. OF course you will have to make "circle" in the parking lot, if you have enough room.
  • kdiamond
    kdiamond Posts: 3,329 Member
    I sprint in times instead of distance, start with 20 seconds, 30 seconds, etc. After a while I was able to get to 1 minute and then I vary my speed.
  • mrcs_jolly
    mrcs_jolly Posts: 25 Member
    edited April 2016
    The more you do it, the easier it gets. Your body/heart adapts. When I began my journey, I could barely jog...now I run 5ks sub 25 mins. Just keep grinding!!! You will be alright...don't stress too much about it.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    You might try a bike, too.

    You have a limited capacity when it comes to cardio. Everybody does. The sprint you want to do is beyond your capacity, so you can't do it. You can either dial the intensity back (run slower) or you can shorten the duration; in the long run, you can improve your capacity.

    If your goal is to race, what you're doing with sprint workouts isn't going to help much, in fact it's probably counter-productive. You're building your anaerobic system which can produce powerful bursts of energy, but not for more than 20 or 30 minutes at a time. Better to do 80 % of your cardio sessions in zone 2 and the other 20 % in zone 4 and 5. Most people go too hard on their easy days and too easy on their hard days.

    Since your goal isn't to race but to lose fat (eg burn a lot of calories, because fat loss comes from a calorie deficit), you're better off doing an exercise you can maintain for a long time. That will build more calories, it will also improve your aerobic endurance.

    Finally, you probably already understand the importance of rest and recovery. Keep in mind, that all applies to your heart too.
  • wfrazjr
    wfrazjr Posts: 43 Member
    Continue biting away at it. It will get easier the more you do it. Shorten your distance until you master it and then start increasing the distance.
  • AlisonH729
    AlisonH729 Posts: 558 Member
    edited April 2016
    +1 for suicides (call them ladders, if you prefer). For example, sprint 10m, jog back, sprint 20m, job back, so on, repeat. (If the lot has parking spaces you can measure one and then use them as references.) ETA: You should increase your RPE for each 'set'. 50%, 60%, 70%...

    Also, hills.
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    You might try a bike, too.

    You have a limited capacity when it comes to cardio. Everybody does. The sprint you want to do is beyond your capacity, so you can't do it. You can either dial the intensity back (run slower) or you can shorten the duration; in the long run, you can improve your capacity.

    If your goal is to race, what you're doing with sprint workouts isn't going to help much, in fact it's probably counter-productive. You're building your anaerobic system which can produce powerful bursts of energy, but not for more than 20 or 30 minutes at a time. Better to do 80 % of your cardio sessions in zone 2 and the other 20 % in zone 4 and 5. Most people go too hard on their easy days and too easy on their hard days.

    Since your goal isn't to race but to lose fat (eg burn a lot of calories, because fat loss comes from a calorie deficit), you're better off doing an exercise you can maintain for a long time. That will build more calories, it will also improve your aerobic endurance.

    Finally, you probably already understand the importance of rest and recovery. Keep in mind, that all applies to your heart too.


    Hey thanks for your response, very helpful, although you kind of lost me on the zone stuff, what does that mean?
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    mrcs_jolly wrote: »
    The more you do it, the easier it gets. Your body/heart adapts. When I began my journey, I could barely jog...now I run 5ks sub 25 mins. Just keep grinding!!! You will be alright...don't stress too much about it.

    I figured, I'm just impatient lol
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    Noelv1976 wrote: »
    50-60 meters is a long way for a beginner. shorten up in intervals. try 20-30 meters, five times. Can also do suicides. Sprint ten meters, stop, turn around and sprint back. do that for about 30 secs, then gradually increase your distance once it becomes easier. Can also do what we like to do is 30/60s or 60/120s. Sprint for 30 seconds, walk or jog for 60. Same for the latter, run for 60 seconds, walk or jog for 120 seconds. OF course you will have to make "circle" in the parking lot, if you have enough room.

    Alright thank you! That was really helpful, I'll give that a try
  • blues4miles
    blues4miles Posts: 1,481 Member
    Do you do any other sort of steady state cardio? I'd make sure you are warmed up for the sprints. Jog out and back (160m) once or twice to warm up. Then yeah, just keep at it. If you just started, don't do it two days in a row (personal opinion) so you don't get injured. For me personally...I have a hard time going fast until I've done a half mile of jogging to warm up first. That's where my line is, yours might be above or below that.
  • RWClary
    RWClary Posts: 192 Member
    Great comments...

    I've been doing HIIT for years on lift days and longer aerobic sessions on rest days.
    It's been a great alternative, and I am pleased with the results.
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    Great comments...

    I've been doing HIIT for years on lift days and longer aerobic sessions on rest days.
    It's been a great alternative, and I am pleased with the results.

    Hmm I was planning on not doing any Cardio on my lift days for now at least. I feel like that would create a catabolic state for my body as opposed to anabolic because of exercising too long? Which is why I like the idea of sprinting because from what I read it's a very anabolic cardio type of exercise as opposed to long distance running or exercises that stress your body for long period of time.
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    Do you do any other sort of steady state cardio? I'd make sure you are warmed up for the sprints. Jog out and back (160m) once or twice to warm up. Then yeah, just keep at it. If you just started, don't do it two days in a row (personal opinion) so you don't get injured. For me personally...I have a hard time going fast until I've done a half mile of jogging to warm up first. That's where my line is, yours might be above or below that.

    Good point! I did warm up with a light jog for a long distance, but yea I'm gonna do less distance or just sprint for a given amount of time, idk yet. I only want to run outside, I hate running on treadmills, and of course by me it just got cold again just when I thought the weather was warming up too! So kind of a set back, but I'll get back into it.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    ... If your goal is to race, what you're doing with sprint workouts isn't going to help much, in fact it's probably counter-productive. You're building your anaerobic system which can produce powerful bursts of energy, but not for more than 20 or 30 minutes at a time. Better to do 80 % of your cardio sessions in zone 2 and the other 20 % in zone 4 and 5. Most people go too hard on their easy days and too easy on their hard days. ...

    Hey thanks for your response, very helpful, although you kind of lost me on the zone stuff, what does that mean?

    I'm guessing you come mostly from a weights background. I'm mostly a cardio guy. We probably don't speak exactly the same language but I bet a lot of the concepts carry over.

    You can measure your running performance in speed, and for the most part that works really well. To go faster, you have to work harder; pace is a good proxy for exertion/intensity/power. It's not perfect though because hills. And because sand vs pavement, and other stuff too. Not such a big deal running but on the bike, a strong wind is worse than a hill. All that stuff means speed isn't a perfect gauge for workout intensity. One thing a lot of people do about that is wear a heart rate monitor, the faster your heart is beating, the harder your body is working. Cardio is all about the heart. I mean, you're running, your legs are propelling you forward, they need oxygen for energy, the harder you work the more oxygen they need and the faster your heart beats and the harder you breathe.

    So you wear an HRM, you go out and run, you look at it, it says 153 bpm, now what?

    Most people who do cardio figure out the range of what their heart can do, and then divide that up into zones. Almost everyone uses a 5 zone system so that's what we're going to talk about. We'll use mine even though I have them set up differently than most people, it's still a concrete example:
    Resting heart rate ~= 50 bpm
    
    Zone 1 = 118 to 133 bpm ("warm up", easy)
    Zone 2 = 134 to 147 bpm ("fat burning", easy to moderate)
    Zone 3 = 148 to 160 bpm ("aerobic", moderate to somewhat hard)
    Zone 4 = 161 to 175 bpm ("anaerobic", hard)
    Zone 5 = 176 to 188 bpm ("redline")
    
    Max heart rate = 188
    

    The reason for this is different stuff is going on inside your body at different levels. So for example, in zone 2 most of the calories you burn will come from fat, in zone 4 and 5 most of them will come from carbs. Technically that doesn't matter from a weight loss perspective because it's all calories in calories out. But burning glycogen makes you really freaking hungry, burning fat doesn't. More to the point, exercising in each zone can make you stronger in different ways.

    So you'd think the best way to train and to get really fast is to go out and run or ride as hard as you can as often as possible. More is better, right? But the best way to actually get faster is to spend most of your time in zone 2 (easy to moderate) which builds up your aerobic endurance, and some amount of time pushing almost as hard as you can, which raises your top end. It's way counter-intuitive. I guess, think of a bike race, with a pack of cyclists approaching the finish line, and that one guy sprinting to the win. That guy needs a good sprint, but more importantly he needs to be able to hang with the pack and still have enough energy to be able to sprint.
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    ... If your goal is to race, what you're doing with sprint workouts isn't going to help much, in fact it's probably counter-productive. You're building your anaerobic system which can produce powerful bursts of energy, but not for more than 20 or 30 minutes at a time. Better to do 80 % of your cardio sessions in zone 2 and the other 20 % in zone 4 and 5. Most people go too hard on their easy days and too easy on their hard days. ...

    Hey thanks for your response, very helpful, although you kind of lost me on the zone stuff, what does that mean?

    I'm guessing you come mostly from a weights background. I'm mostly a cardio guy. We probably don't speak exactly the same language but I bet a lot of the concepts carry over.

    You can measure your running performance in speed, and for the most part that works really well. To go faster, you have to work harder; pace is a good proxy for exertion/intensity/power. It's not perfect though because hills. And because sand vs pavement, and other stuff too. Not such a big deal running but on the bike, a strong wind is worse than a hill. All that stuff means speed isn't a perfect gauge for workout intensity. One thing a lot of people do about that is wear a heart rate monitor, the faster your heart is beating, the harder your body is working. Cardio is all about the heart. I mean, you're running, your legs are propelling you forward, they need oxygen for energy, the harder you work the more oxygen they need and the faster your heart beats and the harder you breathe.

    So you wear an HRM, you go out and run, you look at it, it says 153 bpm, now what?

    Most people who do cardio figure out the range of what their heart can do, and then divide that up into zones. Almost everyone uses a 5 zone system so that's what we're going to talk about. We'll use mine even though I have them set up differently than most people, it's still a concrete example:
    Resting heart rate ~= 50 bpm
    
    Zone 1 = 118 to 133 bpm ("warm up", easy)
    Zone 2 = 134 to 147 bpm ("fat burning", easy to moderate)
    Zone 3 = 148 to 160 bpm ("aerobic", moderate to somewhat hard)
    Zone 4 = 161 to 175 bpm ("anaerobic", hard)
    Zone 5 = 176 to 188 bpm ("redline")
    
    Max heart rate = 188
    

    The reason for this is different stuff is going on inside your body at different levels. So for example, in zone 2 most of the calories you burn will come from fat, in zone 4 and 5 most of them will come from carbs. Technically that doesn't matter from a weight loss perspective because it's all calories in calories out. But burning glycogen makes you really freaking hungry, burning fat doesn't. More to the point, exercising in each zone can make you stronger in different ways.

    So you'd think the best way to train and to get really fast is to go out and run or ride as hard as you can as often as possible. More is better, right? But the best way to actually get faster is to spend most of your time in zone 2 (easy to moderate) which builds up your aerobic endurance, and some amount of time pushing almost as hard as you can, which raises your top end. It's way counter-intuitive. I guess, think of a bike race, with a pack of cyclists approaching the finish line, and that one guy sprinting to the win. That guy needs a good sprint, but more importantly he needs to be able to hang with the pack and still have enough energy to be able to sprint.

    Wow this was awesome information thank you! Okay so my goal as you probably already read is to do cardio so that I burn fat, but I also want to do the most "anabolic" cardio work out possible and I read that sprints are somewhat more anabolic than long endurance type of exercises. I see that Zone 2 is optimal. Now for how long do I want to maintain that Zone 2 for during my work out. Ideally I want to spring, jog, sprint, etc...my heart rate would change by doing that, right? So do I aim to just keep it at that 134-147 for the lets say 30 minutes of my cardio work out? I just want to make sure I understand this correctly as it applies to what I'm doing and my goals. Thanks for your explanations! Its very helpful.
  • sunnybeaches105
    sunnybeaches105 Posts: 2,831 Member
    Good thread and info. Nice to see weightlifting and running together.
  • RWClary
    RWClary Posts: 192 Member
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    Great comments...

    I've been doing HIIT for years on lift days and longer aerobic sessions on rest days.
    It's been a great alternative, and I am pleased with the results.

    Hmm I was planning on not doing any Cardio on my lift days for now at least. I feel like that would create a catabolic state for my body as opposed to anabolic because of exercising too long? Which is why I like the idea of sprinting because from what I read it's a very anabolic cardio type of exercise as opposed to long distance running or exercises that stress your body for long period of time.
    The kind I perform has anaerobic qualities.
    Further, I am not into bodybuilding, so our goals might be different.
    Best of luck to you!
  • Noelv1976
    Noelv1976 Posts: 18,948 Member
    Probably first thread where no one is criticizing each other but actually complimenting. Great responses everyone. Need more people like this on the other threads. More than welcome to add me as a friend.
    OP, let us know how you're doing!
  • se015
    se015 Posts: 583 Member
    Noelv1976 wrote: »
    Probably first thread where no one is criticizing each other but actually complimenting. Great responses everyone. Need more people like this on the other threads. More than welcome to add me as a friend.
    OP, let us know how you're doing!

    I know I agree! I'll keep you posted! Hopefully the weather gets nicer up here so I can continue on, I've only been able to do ONE DAY of the sprinting, but as with everything else patience and commitment are required to be successful.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    Great comments...

    I've been doing HIIT for years on lift days and longer aerobic sessions on rest days.
    It's been a great alternative, and I am pleased with the results.

    Hmm I was planning on not doing any Cardio on my lift days for now at least. I feel like that would create a catabolic state for my body as opposed to anabolic because of exercising too long? Which is why I like the idea of sprinting because from what I read it's a very anabolic cardio type of exercise as opposed to long distance running or exercises that stress your body for long period of time.

    So sprinting is going to at the least be using your leg muscles in a maximum fashion.

    Are you sprinting the day after leg day, where your muscles are attempting to recover from hopefully a good lifting session?

    That is the worst time to put them under another max load.

    Would you squat every day?

    Recovery is already impaired in a diet, don't kill or make the recovery worse by putting another max load on the same muscles.

    Do it right after the lifting, have the day of max loads on muscles - then the next day recovery.

    Besides - the idea you are reading about is usually for those that only want to do cardio, but it was found that sprint intervals (HIIT) was great at doing exactly the same thing lifting already does - maintain muscle mass by nature of using it at max, thereby letting fat loss be the main thing from a diet.
    Which is exactly why it needs a recovery of it's own, just like lifting.

    But you are already lifting - skip the HIIT. Just get max benefit from the lifting.
    Or do it right afterwards for the cardio benefit. It'll feel just as hard since the idea is to sprint as hard as you can.
    Before you know it you'll be sprinting up hills after already doing leg day.

    It will take longer generally for the aerobic system to make improvements starting at the anaerobic side of things like sprinting, because the lifting is already up there.
    But you should still see some good fast improvement in general, merely from form improvements.
  • Springfield1970
    Springfield1970 Posts: 1,945 Member
    edited April 2016
    heart rate zones, make sure if you're going to use them you find out your maximum. It also drops every year.
    There is an estimate that is used to gage your maximum which is 220 minus your age.
    That didn't work for me at all. My maximum was 200 plus even when I was 42!
    Joe Friel has some great charts where you can transfer your personal zones over to cycling and swimming.

    Another good way to do it is to find your lactate threshold with a personal trainer and go from there.(zone 4 up).

    Bear in mind these rates can also vary from day to day. Mine get affected by weight, fitness, hydration, ageing, caffeine and tiredness. I don't use my heart rate monitor after a couple of years, as I've learned to use to the perceived rate of exertion instead. I also found a treadmill at the gym that had a heart rate monitor in sync with mine so I knew it was correct.

    I read that endurance athletes spend 80% of their time in zones 1-3 and 20% of their time in 4-5. I'll try and find the article, it was in Matt Fitzgeralds book Racing Weight. Interesting.

    I do my sprinting before I lift weights. I like to run my glycogen stores out, then activate growth hormone in my lifting. I've tried the other way too, but I always do legs on the same day and let them recover for a day after.
  • desimarine
    desimarine Posts: 1 Member
    edited April 2016
    The key is to go hard as you can, rest, then go hard again. Do that for 10-15 minutes, and you're done. Your total training time will be around 30 minutes when you include a thorough warm up (you can look up sprinting drills online).

    Also, you stated you want to do 100's. There is no need to do that. Stick with 30-50 yards. Sprint as fast as you can, walk back, and repeat 5-6 times. Do this 2-3 times a week, then either add a sprint or reduce the rest intervals (i.e jog back instead of walking back, or time your rest intervals, as in, you reduce the rest period from 45 seconds to 40 seconds).

    Remember, you aren't doing sprints to be a faster sprinter, that is an entirely different program. Keep it simple. Go hard, rest, then go at it again.

    Example -
    Week 1 - Sprint 3 times a week
    6 x 40 with walk back rest
    Week 2 - Sprint 3 times a week
    6 x 50 with walk back rest
    Week 3- Sprint 3 times a week
    Same as Week 2, but reduce the rest intervals by 5 seconds
    Week 4 - Sprint 3 times a week
    7 x 50 - Keep rest intervals the same as week 3
    Week 5 - Sprint 3 times a week
    Ladder sprints (these are BRUTAL)
    Sprint 30 yards, walk back to the start line, sprint 50 yards, walk back to the start line, sprint 70 yards, walk back to the start line. Rest 2-3 minutes. Repeat this 2 more times.
    Week 6 - Sprint 3 times a week
    Same as Week 5, except jog back to the start line instead of walking.

    Hope this helps!! good luck!!
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    Seth1825 wrote: »
    Wow this was awesome information thank you! Okay so my goal as you probably already read is to do cardio so that I burn fat, but I also want to do the most "anabolic" cardio work out possible and I read that sprints are somewhat more anabolic than long endurance type of exercises. I see that Zone 2 is optimal. Now for how long do I want to maintain that Zone 2 for during my work out. Ideally I want to spring, jog, sprint, etc...my heart rate would change by doing that, right? So do I aim to just keep it at that 134-147 for the lets say 30 minutes of my cardio work out? I just want to make sure I understand this correctly as it applies to what I'm doing and my goals. Thanks for your explanations! Its very helpful.

    Sorry for the delay in responding, I have a lot of down time during the day but not much at night. Also I'm glad other people are starting to chime in, you'll get better advice from more people. Finally, this is the part of the thread where I point out that my advice is free, so you can't get very mad if you don't like it. ;)

    I'm a cyclist. We don't think in terms of muscle, stuff that's important to us is: How fast to do a 40 km time trial? How much elevation gain can I do in an hour? How much power can I put out over 20 minutes? What is my watts/kilograms ratio? I can get better at this stuff by having stronger legs, by losing weight, by getting into a more aerodynamic position, or some combination of all of them; as long as I'm faster, that's what matters. I've done a lot of research into how to meet my goals, but they're not 100 % aligned with yours. Also I don't run that much so I'm assuming the cardio stuff is mostly the same but I'll probably get it wrong. So take the rest of this post with a grain of salt but I'll try to go into the reasons behind stuff.

    First, I think you're going to get the biggest (muscle) gains when you sprint, which is going to be zone 4 or 5. But you should still do most of your cardio training in zone 2, and here's why:

    (1) On the bike, leg strength isn't what limits you. It's aerobic capacity, the limit is your aerobic endurance. Most people can leg press way more than how hard they push down on the pedals. (Of course, we have gears on the bike. So I can move the burden from my legs to my CV system. When I run it also feels like it's my heart and lungs that limit how long and how fast I can go, but I'm not a good runner so I could be getting this wrong.) The zone 2 stuff improves your aerobic capacity (builds heart and diaphragm muscle), which raises your overall limit for cycling and I assume for running.

    (2) You can't. Seriously, your body just won't have it. You go out and sprint, you get tired, you're forced to slow down.

    (3) You actually burn more calories this way. Sure, a sprint will burn more calories than running slowly for those same 30 seconds. But, over the course of an hour (or however long you have for running), keeping a steady moderate pace will burn more than sprinting, then stopping to recover until you can sprint again.

    I can't tell you how long to spend in each zone ... well, I could, but I don't know enough about you or your overall training load, so I'd get it wrong. And then you'd want your money back for this post. I can tell you what I do, though.

    Most days after work, I go out and ride for about an hour. I try to mostly be in zone 2. I have a few hills on my ride; some days I go real slow and stay in Z2, other days I say "screw it" and charge up, then try to spend the rest of my time in Z2. As long as the overall workout was mostly pretty moderate, I'm happy with it. On weekends, I usually spend one day doing a long ride, and then the other day I'll go hiking with my girlfriend. But, once a week, I do hill repeats. I try to alternate: short, punchy hills, everything I've got; longer, steeper hills, at the highest intensity I can sustain for the workout. Day after hill repeats is either a rest day or a very low key recovery ride where I keep my heart rate at/below 100 bpm and my power at/below 100 watts. The hill repeats are my Z4/Z5 training, and they're definitely paying dividends. I took my bike out to the mountains on Saturday and had an easier time than I expected. The rest of it is mostly Z2 (although sometimes I get a little carried away and push too hard).

    EDIT: A lot of exercise software has charts like this. This one is from a ride I did the previous Saturday, I drove my bike to farm country and did a long scenic ride. I'd call this a "zone 2" ride even though I didn't spend the entire time there. I could have done a better job if my goal was purely to nail a workout, but going fast is fun. The point is don't stress too much about staying in too narrow a range, if you're in the right ballpark you're still going to improve.

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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I'd suggest that cardio can be done for several reasons, and the OP stated the one he's interested in.

    A level that makes it like lifting - where the benefits are elevated metabolism for repair work for muscles later that allows for extra fat burn, and retaining the muscles.

    One post above gave the right recipe for that purpose.

    All out sprint for time rather than distance - like 15 - 30 sec.
    Recover walking for 45 - 90 sec.
    Repeat for 10 intervals.

    As you get better, the speed will go up, but since it's based on perceived effort, you always go as hard as you can.
    Just like lifting, 8-12 reps, you merely increase the weight when it gets easy.

    Just like lifting with sets, except reps has a slight breather in there before next one where interval is constant. Even the same including the warmup and cooldown that helps avoid injury.

    HR zones don't matter when going as hard as possible, do they in lifting?
    Walk for recovery - that allows the next interval at max to be faster max then if you jogged.


    This type of workout is not for the purpose of burning more calories, as it won't compared to a higher intensity steady-state cardio effort.

    This type of workout is not for the purpose of increasing endurance ability, at it won't compared to a lower intensity steady-state cardio effort.

    This type of workout is not for health improvements, though that'll be a side effect anyway.

    I'd still suggest that if it's truly not for the other reasons for doing cardio, just expend the time and energy on more and better lifting program.
    Just like so many do no cardio with their lifting, except what's needed for warmup.
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
    heybales wrote: »
    I'd suggest that cardio can be done for several reasons, and the OP stated the one he's interested in.

    A level that makes it like lifting - where the benefits are elevated metabolism for repair work for muscles later that allows for extra fat burn, and retaining the muscles.

    One post above gave the right recipe for that purpose.

    All out sprint for time rather than distance - like 15 - 30 sec.
    Recover walking for 45 - 90 sec.
    Repeat for 10 intervals.

    As you get better, the speed will go up, but since it's based on perceived effort, you always go as hard as you can.
    Just like lifting, 8-12 reps, you merely increase the weight when it gets easy.

    Just like lifting with sets, except reps has a slight breather in there before next one where interval is constant. Even the same including the warmup and cooldown that helps avoid injury.

    HR zones don't matter when going as hard as possible, do they in lifting?
    Walk for recovery - that allows the next interval at max to be faster max then if you jogged.


    This type of workout is not for the purpose of burning more calories, as it won't compared to a higher intensity steady-state cardio effort.

    This type of workout is not for the purpose of increasing endurance ability, at it won't compared to a lower intensity steady-state cardio effort.

    This type of workout is not for health improvements, though that'll be a side effect anyway.

    I'd still suggest that if it's truly not for the other reasons for doing cardio, just expend the time and energy on more and better lifting program.
    Just like so many do no cardio with their lifting, except what's needed for warmup.

    @Heybales you give yet another great explanation of answering an OP's question! Great job..

    I second all of the "zone" stuff is not necessary for what the OP is looking for in his cardio work!
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    heybales wrote: »
    I'd suggest that cardio can be done for several reasons, and the OP stated the one he's interested in.

    ...HR zones don't matter when going as hard as possible, do they in lifting?

    To be fair, he stated several reasons: wanting to burn fat, to build muscle, and to run faster. How he prioritizes these is up to him. The OP said he's new to cardio, but he seems like a bright guy. He got lots of good information which will help him figure how to to meet his goals. (Teach a man to fish...)

    An HRM and zones aren't strictly necessary, but are useful. "Going as hard as possible" is great, but it isn't possible to do this all the time. The only way to do a run that's only sprinting is to end it after 30 seconds, and that's not likely to achieve anybody's goals.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    When you lift an amount of weight to almost failure on last rep in set - you go back after a rest and do another set usually - sometimes 4 more sets are possible depending on your program.

    Sprint intervals are no different - yes it's short - that's the point, and the whole reason for the effect gained.

    The 3 things you list he wants are all going to be handled by HIIT sprint intervals - no priority needed as they will all be obtained at same time.

    Now I would only do hill sprints or HIIT routine 1 x weekly at max, because for my program it's exactly the same reason - and 2 of the 3 won't be obtained by any other regime nearly as well if at all.
    But I have different goals, I do want endurance, and enhanced fat-burning during the cardio.


    Possible goals for only wanting to sprint 30 sec at a time all out. Then repeat after a rest.

    http://www.exrx.net/FatLoss/HIITvsET.html

    Both groups progressed in intensity. At the conclusion of the study, the HIIT group lost over 3 times as much subcutaneous fat as the ET group despite expending less than half as many calories. For every calorie expended during HIIT, there was a nine fold loss of subcutaneous body fat, as compared to the ET group.

    http://www.exrx.net/ExInfo/HIIT.html

    Hughes et al (2004) demonstrated 6 sessions of SIT over a 2 week period increased muscle oxidative capacity and altered muscle glycogen metabolism in recreationally active young men. SIT decreased the time required to complete a fixed amount of work (10.4%), increased resting muscle glycogen by 53%, and appeared to decrease reliance on non-oxidative energy metabolism. SIT consisted of 4 to 7 "all out" 30 second Wingate tests, separated by 4 minutes of recovery.


    So actually, sprinting to 30 seconds, rest, repeat - is likely to achieve many people's goals.

    Not everyone wants to do a half marathon or marathon or century ride or whatever. For some it's all about fat loss for reason for the workout.
    That may change if they come to love it, but there's nothing inherently dangerous with his goal and the method to reach it if proper warmup and cooldown are used, and it's not done too frequently.
    I have concerns with it messing up a good lifting program though, depending on when done.
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    Nice article on starting sprinting:
    http://ericcressey.com/so-you-want-to-start-sprinting
  • AlisonH729
    AlisonH729 Posts: 558 Member
    Packerjohn wrote: »

    I'm glad this article mentions pavement. I had thought about it when I first responded, but often we just work where we can. I have a knack for turning my ankles when I run on the grass, but I should really force myself to do it more to strengthen all those stabilizer muscles.

    I know I don't have as much knowledge as some of the other commenters but I feel validated that the article also recommends hills. :lol:
  • 12by311
    12by311 Posts: 1,716 Member
    wfrazjr wrote: »
    Continue biting away at it. It will get easier the more you do it. Shorten your distance until you master it and then start increasing the distance.

    Simple and to the point. And correct.

    When I make my basketball team condition, we do sprints 99% of the time. I pick a number to start and we increase it over the course of the season each practice. We also do timed sprints every once in a while (it's called 17's). My teams are always in good shape. My 5 (center) can play a whole game by the end of the season, running rim to rim.

    If she can do it, you can too! Good luck!