Weightloss shakes without artificial sweeteners
coonhoundmom50
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Does anyone know of any GOOD-TASTING, commercial weightloss shake out there made without ACE-K or Aspartame? Slimfast used to be made with normal sugar years ago, and to my surprise and disappointment, they use both ACE-K and Aspartame in the 3-2-1 powdered shake mixes. These sweeteners can cause health problems, incl. brain tumors. Really?! Rather be obese, than dying of a brain tumor. Been there, done that with my mom's metatastic ovarian cancer, resulting in 7 brain tumors, then death in 2014.
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Don't you like food?0
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I just had a shake this a.m. using a powder I have, Biochem, unsweetened. It's whey protein with Stevia the container says. It doesn't have a strong taste overall, but I usually add berries or a TBSP of peanut butter for flavor. If you want pre-made, I'm not really sure.0
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yeah, I can eat food, but I find the pre-made powder/shake system is alot better control-wise for me, everything is pre-portioned an controlled, and slimfast has the vitamins, too. I've used this system 13 years ago, it worked very well for me, but now find it hard to believe that its made with the crap-artificial-sweeteners.0
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I am so sick of the aspartame misinformation. It is the most tested artificial sweetener because it has been accused of causing everything from MS to hangnails. It has such bad publicity that companies are replacing it with newer, less tested artificial sweeteners. This is better, how?
I have no idea on the ACE-K stuff, but I've had relatives send me horrible fear mongering links about aspartame from sites that are selling "detox" kits at $60 a pop. The site referenced FDA studies that don't exist, and have never existed and it still scared the crap out of my family.
All you had to do was click the bloody link. Or go to the FDA website. Or spend two seconds on google. I guess it's just easier to be scared for no damned reason.7 -
ACE-K causes brain tumors and other health issues, and Aspartame causes me to have terrible headaches (if I have at least 1 glass of tea or soda with Aspartame, ok w/sugarless gum, though). So far, as long as I have 1 Slimfast 3-2-1 shake(has the aspartame & ace-k) in the morning, I'm ok, I just drink the Slimfast advanced nutrition +protein the rest of the day, then no headaches.0
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Why don't you just eat regular whole foods? These shakes won't do anything for weightloss unless you're in a calorie deficit, and at that point it's all because you're in a calorie deficit which could be created and maintained through whole foods.
You could honestly eat spinach all day and gain weight, same thing for every other type of veggy. At the same time though, you could eat fast food everyday and lose weight. It's all dependant on calories in vs calories out. Almost nothing to do with what you eat.1 -
Kamikazeflutterby wrote: »I am so sick of the aspartame misinformation. It is the most tested artificial sweetener because it has been accused of causing everything from MS to hangnails. It has such bad publicity that companies are replacing it with newer, less tested artificial sweeteners. This is better, how?
I have no idea on the ACE-K stuff, but I've had relatives send me horrible fear mongering links about aspartame from sites that are selling "detox" kits at $60 a pop. The site referenced FDA studies that don't exist, and have never existed and it still scared the crap out of my family.
All you had to do was click the bloody link. Or go to the FDA website. Or spend two seconds on google. I guess it's just easier to be scared for no damned reason.
Aspartame caused my dad and sister joint pain. Once they got off diet soda and sugar free gum the pain went away. The other day my sister developed joint pain again. She looked at the drink ingredients my brother had given her the next day (dug out of trash)and she had unknowingly ingested aspartame. Aspartame may not cause everything people claim, but it definitely can cause problems in some people.2 -
PattyBanzhof1 wrote: »ACE-K causes brain tumors and other health issues, and Aspartame causes me to have terrible headaches (if I have at least 1 glass of tea or soda with Aspartame, ok w/sugarless gum, though). So far, as long as I have 1 Slimfast 3-2-1 shake(has the aspartame & ace-k) in the morning, I'm ok, I just drink the Slimfast advanced nutrition +protein the rest of the day, then no headaches.
That's interesting. I'd love to see the study, can you link it? All I could find said that the World Health Organization and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations looked at available studies and deemed this substitute safe.
Also this page claiming that the FDA reviewed over 100 studies on this and other sweeteners and they were shown to pose no threats to health.-1 -
You could just make your own smoothies.0
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To those who like the artificial sweeteners : MAY YOU ENJOY GOOD HEALTH AND LONGEVITY. ENJOY THE HEALTH BENEFITS AND REWARDS FROM HARD WORK OF DIETING & FOLLOWING A HEATHY LIFESTYLE! LORD KNOWS, YOU DESERVE IT. I HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO SUFFER MIGRAINES, etc. FROM ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS. (Diabetics not subject to this post, because I understand you're not always able to tolerate regular sugar, and have to use alternative forms is sugar.I truly hope you never have to suffer the side effects of artificial sweetener. You have it bad enough with diabetes).2
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PattyBanzhof1 wrote: »To those who like the artificial sweeteners : MAY YOU ENJOY GOOD HEALTH AND LONGEVITY. ENJOY THE HEALTH BENEFITS AND REWARDS FROM HARD WORK OF DIETING & FOLLOWING A HEATHY LIFESTYLE! LORD KNOWS, YOU DESERVE IT. I HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO SUFFER MIGRAINES, etc. FROM ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS. (Diabetics not subject to this post, because I understand you're not always able to tolerate regular sugar, and have to use alternative forms is sugar.I truly hope you never have to suffer the side effects of artificial sweetener. You have it bad enough with diabetes).
So... no studies, huh? I really do want to know. If some sweetener I've just heard about today made it past the FDA, the WHO, and the UN's FAO and causes tumors as you claimed I really, truly need to know.
Please tell me where you heard this and how it was proven.5 -
PattyBanzhof1 wrote: »yeah, I can eat food, but I find the pre-made powder/shake system is alot better control-wise for me, everything is pre-portioned an controlled, and slimfast has the vitamins, too. I've used this system 13 years ago, it worked very well for me, but now find it hard to believe that its made with the crap-artificial-sweeteners.
In all respect, you're going to consume shakes your whole life? I suggest learning control and eating food instead of paying for overpriced shakes.1 -
I try to avoid artificial sweeteners because I don't like the aftertaste, and it seems to stick with me for hours after. Have you tried a google search, to see if anything comes up? I have a protein powder and make my own smoothies with it, but only as a supplement for my diet to help meet protein and fibre (through added veg and fruits) goals. It was a challenge finding anything without at least stevia in it for a sweetener. I ended up buying one with it, because I liked the nutrient breakdown. It's the best of the options for me.0
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Can you buy a simple protein powder (flavored or unflavored) and make your own shakes by adding other ingredients like fruits and veggies to it?0
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Guys, the OP found her weight loss shake. She just posted a new thread about it instead of updating here.0
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Kamikazeflutterby wrote: »Guys, the OP found her weight loss shake. She just posted a new thread about it instead of updating here.
Because she was faced with facts.
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Kamikazeflutterby wrote: »PattyBanzhof1 wrote: »To those who like the artificial sweeteners : MAY YOU ENJOY GOOD HEALTH AND LONGEVITY. ENJOY THE HEALTH BENEFITS AND REWARDS FROM HARD WORK OF DIETING & FOLLOWING A HEATHY LIFESTYLE! LORD KNOWS, YOU DESERVE IT. I HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO SUFFER MIGRAINES, etc. FROM ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS. (Diabetics not subject to this post, because I understand you're not always able to tolerate regular sugar, and have to use alternative forms is sugar.I truly hope you never have to suffer the side effects of artificial sweetener. You have it bad enough with diabetes).
So... no studies, huh? I really do want to know. If some sweetener I've just heard about today made it past the FDA, the WHO, and the UN's FAO and causes tumors as you claimed I really, truly need to know.
Please tell me where you heard this and how it was proven.
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Here are my findings, which used lab rats as their subjects. From starting off tumorless, healthy rats, to rats with tumors in certain areas of their bodies, only after putting artificial sweetener in their food, THE EVIDENCE IS QUITE CLEAR. The NCBI site is a reliable source.
FIRST EXPERIMENTAL DEMONSTRATION OF THE MULTIPOTENTIAL CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS OF ASPARTAME ADMINISTERED IN THE FEED TO SPRAGUE-DAWLEY RATS - NCBI website
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SCIENCE DAILY 2/13/2006: ARTIFICIAL SWEETENER CAUSES CANCER IN RATS AT LEVELS CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR HUMANS
So there you have it......news you can use. Please use caution when it comes to using artificial sweeteners!!!!0 -
Since you didn't link the articles you are referring to I looked on my own on the NCBI website. Again, all I can find is information saying they are fine. Here is where I am looking.
I admit to skimming the article. Of particular note to me was this section:It has also been suggested that the components of aspartame can lead to a number of health problems.[3] Double-blind trials have been carried out with aspartame at Duke University and in one of the best-designed of these studies, the effects of a single large dose of aspartame in people who had claimed to be sensitive to the substance was investigated. The results showed no difference in headache frequency, blood pressure, or blood histamine concentrations (a measure of the allergenic potential) between the experimental and control groups.[24] In another study, at the University of Illinois, which involved diabetics, subjects in the placebo group actually had more reactions than those in the aspartame group. Reported anecdotal experiences are not confirmed by carefully controlled scientific studies.
as well as the conclusion:Sugar substitutes in various food and beverages are very popular in most of the countries. Extensive scientific research has demonstrated the safety of the six low-calorie sweeteners currently approved for use in foods in the U.S. and Europe (stevia, acesulfame-K, aspartame, neotame, saccharin and sucralose) each with an acceptable daily intake. A number of studies have been carried out to confirm the safety of artificial sweeteners. A number of studies have also shown the adverse effects of the same. But most of the studies have limitations such as effects shown only in animals not in human, small sample size, high doses, statistically non-significant or borderline significant, etc. The sugar substitutes are thoroughly investigated for safety with hundreds of scientific studies and then approved by different regulatory authorities like the U.S. FDA, JECFA and FSANZ. Some agents are approved with warning labels too. So further exploration is required with well-designed large-scale studies in the general population. On the anecdotal evidence, it has been concluded that based on analysis of the database of case histories, there are a number of symptoms that are recurrently reported by individuals who believe that they are caused by sugar substitute ingestion. The information gathered in this analysis can be useful in guiding the design and format of any investigative study that may be undertaken to determine individual sensitivity to sugar substitutes.
I take from that that there are studies done on animals, using beyond worst-case scenario doses of artificial sweeteners, and the results still showed no statistically significant bad results. I am assuming the other article you could not link was also referring to one of these studies.
Thank you for a new credible source, though I could not find the individual study you were talking about. I also have drawn completely different conclusion from the information presented.
The funny part is you've made me feel even better about diet products. Aspartame was the only one I had really looked into.-1 -
After preparing & drinking strawberry slimfast 3-2-1 shake w/artificial sweeteners, felt fine, but not satisfied! Then, I decided to make Chocolate slimfast Advanced Nutrition w/Sucralose, with PB thrown in to counteract the protein baby formula taste, then have one for lunch, then my sensible dinner, like ive been doing since April 8. Well, my appetite ceased, but, then, boom, the AFTERTASTE, then began to feel like CRAP shortly after. Flu-like & headache. Who knows. Starting to feel bit better now. I really felt the side effects come on strong after the slimfast chocolate Advanced Nutrition, made with Sucralose, which is supposed be the "safer" choice! Strange.0
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If you're so paranoid about artificial sweeteners, just make your own darn smoothies. Cheaper and you can control what you put in it.
I don't have issues with any sweetener, artificial or otherwise, so I guess, yeah, my best advice to you is to just make your own.0 -
@PattyBanzhof1 you never did get back to me in your other thread about how these shakes will magically cause weightloss. I clearly am confused about how the body works, even though I bulk and cut multiple times a year. While lowering my body fat percentage to 8%. I was just wondering if you could enlighten me as to how these shakes will cause me to just burn off the weight purely because of their names.0
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PattyBanzhof1 wrote: »After preparing & drinking strawberry slimfast 3-2-1 shake w/artificial sweeteners, felt fine, but not satisfied! Then, I decided to make Chocolate slimfast Advanced Nutrition w/Sucralose, with PB thrown in to counteract the protein baby formula taste, then have one for lunch, then my sensible dinner, like ive been doing since April 8. Well, my appetite ceased, but, then, boom, the AFTERTASTE, then began to feel like CRAP shortly after. Flu-like & headache. Who knows. Starting to feel bit better now. I really felt the side effects come on strong after the slimfast chocolate Advanced Nutrition, made with Sucralose, which is supposed be the "safer" choice! Strange.
I'm not going to argue anecdotal evidence with you and how you feel. That way lies madness and proves nothing.
For example, here's something that can easily happen to me:
After preparing and eating roasted cauliflower with cheese, felt fine, but not satisfied! Then, I decided to make roasted brussel sprouts, with bacon thrown in to counteract the bad taste, then had that for lunch, then my sensible dinner, like I've been doing since January 17th. Well, my appetite ceased, but, then boom, the BURPS then began to feel like CRAP as well. Bloated, gassy, and stomach ache. Vegetables are supposed to be the "safer" choice too! Strange.
The struggle is real. A lot of my favorite healthy foods can shred my stomach. (Looking at you, larabars). This doesn't mean they cause tumors.4 -
PattyBanzhof1 wrote: »Here are my findings, which used lab rats as their subjects.From starting off tumorless, healthy rats, to rats with tumors in certain areas of their bodies, only after putting artificial sweetener in their food, THE EVIDENCE IS QUITE CLEAR.
The NCBI site is a reliable source.
FIRST EXPERIMENTAL DEMONSTRATION OF THE MULTIPOTENTIAL CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS OF ASPARTAME ADMINISTERED IN THE FEED TO SPRAGUE-DAWLEY RATS
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/expanim/50/2/50_2_99/_articleTHE EVIDENCE IS QUITE CLEARSo there you have it......news you can use.Please use caution when it comes to using artificial sweeteners!!!!1 -
Hi John welk,
I must clarify something with you. Little do you realize, any artificial food, sweetener, whatever may enter my mouth that has the possibility of causing cancer, even in rats, I cannot go there. Lost 2 family members to ovarian cancer, the one had Mets to brain x7 areas,and sister living with HPV, had hysterectomy as a result of cervical cancer.I have been referred to a genetic oncologist because of the strong family history of gyn cancers. So that is why I feel so strongly against csncer-causing foods. It's a do not enter zone for me. Thanks for understanding, and hoping this never affects your family like it has mine.
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most people running the FDA used to work for monsanto... Enough said lol0
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PattyBanzhof1 wrote: »Little do you realize, any artificial food, sweetener, whatever may enter my mouth that has the possibility of causing cancer, even in rats, I cannot go there.
You completely missed the point. The rats used get cancer from nothing. Or everything, if you want to look at it like that. They spontaneously grow cancer cells. Using your line of reasoning, you can't ever eat anything.
In fact, those rats actually got cancer - while subjected to ridiculously large amounts of aspartame - at a rate lower than what they typically do. Which isn't to say that aspartame prevents cancer - it's just that you have to know what you're looking at, so you know how to interpret the data.4 -
PattyBanzhof1 wrote: »Little do you realize, any artificial food, sweetener, whatever may enter my mouth that has the possibility of causing cancer, even in rats, I cannot go there.
You completely missed the point. The rats used get cancer from nothing. Or everything, if you want to look at it like that. They spontaneously grow cancer cells. Using your line of reasoning, you can't ever eat anything.
In fact, those rats actually got cancer - while subjected to ridiculously large amounts of aspartame - at a rate lower than what they typically do. Which isn't to say that aspartame prevents cancer - it's just that you have to know what you're looking at, so you know how to interpret the data.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1392232/
It's from the Ramazzini foundation, which I've heard is absolute, and complete garbage, where about 90% of all their studies "prove" X or Y causes cancer, regardless what it is. So, that already doesn't lend too much credence to the whole thing.
http://www.foodinsight.org/splenda-sucralose-ramazzini-soffritti-safety-cancer-study
"The problem hanging over the Splenda finding is that which hangs over the Ramazzini Institute in general: Quality control. No matter what substance the Institute tests for cancer, the results always seem to be positive, whereas other laboratories testing the same substances repeatedly fail to come up with the same findings. […] All of this has made the Ramazzini Institute something of a joke in European and American science. But, of course, there’s nothing to laugh about when you use a charity conference on childhood cancer to promote an international cancer panic. "0 -
The fact you want a "weight loss shake", makes me assume you're trying to lose weight? Within your years, because you became anti-artificial sugar, I'm 100% positive you consumed foods that contained things far worse than sweeteners. Everything causes cancer now days. We literally all have the cells, they just sit dormant. And do you truly believe you're the only one who's lost someone to cancer in your immediate family? I refuse to not enjoy life, because I've managed to turn something into a fear mongering object.0
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PattyBanzhof1 wrote: »Hi John welk,
I must clarify something with you. Little do you realize, any artificial food, sweetener, whatever may enter my mouth that has the possibility of causing cancer, even in rats, I cannot go there. Lost 2 family members to ovarian cancer, the one had Mets to brain x7 areas,and sister living with HPV, had hysterectomy as a result of cervical cancer.I have been referred to a genetic oncologist because of the strong family history of gyn cancers. So that is why I feel so strongly against csncer-causing foods. It's a do not enter zone for me. Thanks for understanding, and hoping this never affects your family like it has mine.
While I'm sorry for the health issues of your family, Im pretty sure cancer has affected the lives of most people, myself included. With that being said it has nothing to do with the discussion. Your logic is fundamentally flawed, as pointed out above, ANYTHING fed to those rats will cause cancer just because they are cancer prone rats. Seach pubmed long enough and you will find just about everything at some point in time has been shown to cause cancer. Also, the vast majority of animal studies are not applicable to humans. So why use that as the metric to base your life around?So that is why I feel so strongly against csncer-causing foods0
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