What is your experience with Creatine?
kimdawnhayden
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I'm a female using Creatine with the program Body Beast. I've never used it before and researched it a bit first. I bought some from GNC and it's Creatine Nitrate. The sales guy said it wouldn't cause as much water retention. I have gained about 5 lbs in 3 weeks. I was also at 150#'s and eating at 2000 calories as part of the Build/Bulk portion. I was wondering what everyone's experience was with it.
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Very hard on the kidneys be careful with it marketing is unbelievably horrible it's not going to benefit you at all take it back and get your microscopically irritates the kidneys to where they bleed no one tells you that because they're trying to sell it1
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I'm interested to hear other people's opinions on creatine. I never used it but all the research i saw is that it's safe unless a person has underlying medical conditions. (And the recommended dosage is used).0
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Supplements are a waste of money0
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kimdawnhayden wrote: »I'm a female using Creatine with the program Body Beast. I've never used it before and researched it a bit first. I bought some from GNC and it's Creatine Nitrate. The sales guy said it wouldn't cause as much water retention. I have gained about 5 lbs in 3 weeks. I was also at 150#'s and eating at 2000 calories as part of the Build/Bulk portion. I was wondering what everyone's experience was with it.
I'd ditch it. I used to use it quite a bit and I did see some small demonstrable effects on my 1RM, but I'm dubious about its bulking effects - did you load it first or start taking maintenance amounts right away? Anyway, frankly you're better served ditching it and making room for some extra whey or lean meat/fish in your diet plan while on a bulk. A small number of people do suffer from bloating and stomach aches as well so if you're one of those, definitely no point in using it.0 -
Have taken creatine monohydrate for a couple years, with good results. A little bit of water weight, I switched to creatine hcl, and dropped some water weight. I was taking 5 grams a day of creatine monohydrate, I now take 2 grams of creatine hcl per day. I would recommend looking up your supplements on examine.com for unbiased info. Good luck!2
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kimjwwolven wrote: »Very hard on the kidneys be careful with it marketing is unbelievably horrible it's not going to benefit you at all take it back and get your microscopically irritates the kidneys to where they bleed no one tells you that because they're trying to sell it
Your bogus claims are unfounded and untrue.6 -
indy_cruizer wrote: »Supplements are a waste of money
Actually, glucosamine is great for joint health. Multivitamins are great for covering the bases to ensure proper micronutrient intake. Fish oil is beneficial for heart, brain and joint health (among other things).
And creatine is an effective aid for strength training.
There are no safe weight loss supplements or shortcuts. But to say that all supplements are a waste of money is both unfair and untrue.9 -
random_123 wrote: »kimdawnhayden wrote: »I'm a female using Creatine with the program Body Beast. I've never used it before and researched it a bit first. I bought some from GNC and it's Creatine Nitrate. The sales guy said it wouldn't cause as much water retention. I have gained about 5 lbs in 3 weeks. I was also at 150#'s and eating at 2000 calories as part of the Build/Bulk portion. I was wondering what everyone's experience was with it.
I'd ditch it. I used to use it quite a bit and I did see some small demonstrable effects on my 1RM, but I'm dubious about its bulking effects - did you load it first or start taking maintenance amounts right away? Anyway, frankly you're better served ditching it and making room for some extra whey or lean meat/fish in your diet plan while on a bulk. A small number of people do suffer from bloating and stomach aches as well so if you're one of those, definitely no point in using it.
You clearly don't understand how creatine works or what it's supposed to do.
It's not a "bulking aid." It's a strength training aid (hence your results on 1rm).
OP, if you want to read all the details of how creatine actually works, you can read about it here (it's too much info to post):
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne13.htm
But basically, creatine 1) provides an increased amount of creatine phosphate (key energy source for heavy lifting) and 2) causes increased hydration of the muscle tissue (which is why they say it causes you to retain water).
This results in the ability to add a few pounds to your lift and/or get in an extra rep or two. Those extra pounds/reps result in a more intense workout which leads to greater results over time.
Most people will find it effective while there is a very small percentage of outliers who, for whatever reason, are non-responders who don't see any benefits.
As for taking it, 5 grams per day is good for most people. You can "load" it if you prefer but it isn't necessary. Loading does cause you to reach saturation more quickly but you'll reach it soon enough either way (saturation is the point where there's enough creatine in your system that it can't hold anymore so you're getting as much benefit as possible).
Taking more than your body can hold just results in creatine being excreted in your urine.
Also worth noting is that creatine is now available is several different forms.
Creatine monohydrate is still the cheapest and most readily available.
Other types (like the creatine nitrate you were sold) are marketing hype to be able to charge more for creatine.
Some types may boast a quicker uptake but monohydrate is already so readily absorbed by the body that to improve on it brings no benefit.7 -
I did not "load" the creatine. I'm only taking 3 grams per day. I read the article and it seems very good except I had read that creatine had been around since the 1970's and the article said only a few years. I will keep it up for a few more weeks during the Build/Bulk phase and stop it during the Leaning out phase. I have noticed definite gains in my lifts. I haven't lifted in a couple years and in just a few weeks I'm doing a lot of the lifts at close to my old lifts. The only problem I've noticed besides the weight gain is an upset stomach in the beginning and one night we had sushi and too much sodium and my hands swelled really bad the next day.0
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I've been using it for just a couple months. I feel (subjectivity warning) like it does help me bust out just a little more on my workout. It's also inexpensive and fine unless you have some kind of preexisting kidney problems. I noticed a couple of pounds of water weight when loading but not much.0
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I've taken it for years. The effect is subtle, but I can tell the difference if I stop taking it for a few weeks.0
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Many people get confused because they think it works like some sort of legal steroid. Creatine basically helps you recover more efficiently. It draws in more water to your muscles which allows for greater protein synthesis (hence your water weight gain). You still have to put in hard work to see results, but it just stretches your hard work a tiny bit farther. You aren't going to suddenly get a major strength boost shortly after taking creatine.
My experience is that it can have subtle yet effective results over a period of time. I also recommend you fully research anything you want to put in your body, and that you always start without them so you have a baseline for progression. Too many listen to those that recommend useless "stacks" before they even start, and don't know if it's making a difference for them.
TL;DR, most supplements suck but creatine is an exception, research, creatine is effective but not as drastically as most would expect, water weight.1 -
kimdawnhayden wrote: »I did not "load" the creatine. I'm only taking 3 grams per day. I read the article and it seems very good except I had read that creatine had been around since the 1970's and the article said only a few years. I will keep it up for a few more weeks during the Build/Bulk phase and stop it during the Leaning out phase. I have noticed definite gains in my lifts. I haven't lifted in a couple years and in just a few weeks I'm doing a lot of the lifts at close to my old lifts. The only problem I've noticed besides the weight gain is an upset stomach in the beginning and one night we had sushi and too much sodium and my hands swelled really bad the next day.
Relatively speaking, in terms of supplements, the 1970s were only a few years ago. Still, creatine is probably the most well researched supplement available on the market (if not the oldest).
Make sure you're getting plenty of water. You don't want to dehydrate.
Also, the swelling hands is most likely all the sodium's fault. Unlike sodium, which causes water retention under the skin and/or adipose tissue (fat), creatine draws moisture into the actual muscle tisse. So creatine may make your bicep look a tad bit more "puffy" but shouldn't cause your hands and feet to swell.
Also, you wouldn't need to discontinue taking creatine while you're on a cut. In fact, many find it quite valuable in keeping up the intensity of their workouts on fewer calories. Heavy lifts (which can be assisted by creatine) are crucial to maintaining muscle mass while on a cut.2 -
Thanks @Carlos_421 Good to know about the cutting phase.1
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No problem!0
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I have an autoimmune disease and my kidney function is slightly impaired, so I do not use creatine daily. If your kidneys are clearing it, it does help. (See link to bodybuilding.com above)
I did use it on Sunday afternoon an hour or so before a 5k because I have found it helpful when I run. I was recovering from a migraine and I needed the help keeping my muscles hydrated. I use BCAAs instead of creatine on weight lifting days. That works for my health situation, YMMV.0 -
My husband is a runner and sometime suffers from bad cramping in his calfs. I wonder if that would help.MelissaPhippsFeagins wrote: »I have an autoimmune disease and my kidney function is slightly impaired, so I do not use creatine daily. If your kidneys are clearing it, it does help. (See link to bodybuilding.com above)
I did use it on Sunday afternoon an hour or so before a 5k because I have found it helpful when I run. I was recovering from a migraine and I needed the help keeping my muscles hydrated. I use BCAAs instead of creatine on weight lifting days. That works for my health situation, YMMV.0 -
Creatine will give you shaky bones.0
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I've been on it for close to 6 months and I did experience a 5lbs weight gain. I was at 182 and went up to 187 in about a weeks time. Since then I've been maintaining at 186 with little fluctuation. I've had no side effects that I have noticed and have broken through quite a few PR's. My 1RM has gone up immensely on every lift. Which is tough to do eating at maintenance. So it's def something I'm going to continue to take. It's cheap, the scientific studies on the benefits are well researched and after speaking with my doctor as long as I don't start overdosing he said I needn't worry about the kidney issues. He ordered bloodwork about a month or so ago and my numbers came back fine and I'm doing 5 grams per day.
http://examine.com/supplements/creatine/
That site has some really good information on the studies and benefits. If you scroll down you'll see there is very strong evidence in the studies that it increases power outputCreatine is the reference compound for power improvement, with numbers from one meta-analysis to assess potency being "Able to increase a 12% improvement in strength to 20% and able to increase a 12% increase in power to 26% following a training regiment using creatine monohydrate".1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »random_123 wrote: »kimdawnhayden wrote: »I'm a female using Creatine with the program Body Beast. I've never used it before and researched it a bit first. I bought some from GNC and it's Creatine Nitrate. The sales guy said it wouldn't cause as much water retention. I have gained about 5 lbs in 3 weeks. I was also at 150#'s and eating at 2000 calories as part of the Build/Bulk portion. I was wondering what everyone's experience was with it.
I'd ditch it. I used to use it quite a bit and I did see some small demonstrable effects on my 1RM, but I'm dubious about its bulking effects - did you load it first or start taking maintenance amounts right away? Anyway, frankly you're better served ditching it and making room for some extra whey or lean meat/fish in your diet plan while on a bulk. A small number of people do suffer from bloating and stomach aches as well so if you're one of those, definitely no point in using it.
You clearly don't understand how creatine works or what it's supposed to do.
It's not a "bulking aid." It's a strength training aid (hence your results on 1rm).
OP, if you want to read all the details of how creatine actually works, you can read about it here (it's too much info to post):
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne13.htm
But basically, creatine 1) provides an increased amount of creatine phosphate (key energy source for heavy lifting) and 2) causes increased hydration of the muscle tissue (which is why they say it causes you to retain water).
This results in the ability to add a few pounds to your lift and/or get in an extra rep or two. Those extra pounds/reps result in a more intense workout which leads to greater results over time.
Most people will find it effective while there is a very small percentage of outliers who, for whatever reason, are non-responders who don't see any benefits.
As for taking it, 5 grams per day is good for most people. You can "load" it if you prefer but it isn't necessary. Loading does cause you to reach saturation more quickly but you'll reach it soon enough either way (saturation is the point where there's enough creatine in your system that it can't hold anymore so you're getting as much benefit as possible).
Taking more than your body can hold just results in creatine being excreted in your urine.
Also worth noting is that creatine is now available is several different forms.
Creatine monohydrate is still the cheapest and most readily available.
Other types (like the creatine nitrate you were sold) are marketing hype to be able to charge more for creatine.
Some types may boast a quicker uptake but monohydrate is already so readily absorbed by the body that to improve on it brings no benefit.
^^ This x 2. Just to add, there is also research linked, outside of performance, where Creatine has also been shown to aid in treatment of various neurological issues including protection again brain trauma.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1691485/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11079535
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Soundwave79 wrote: »I've been on it for close to 6 months and I did experience a 5lbs weight gain. I was at 182 and went up to 187 in about a weeks time. Since then I've been maintaining at 186 with little fluctuation. I've had no side effects that I have noticed and have broken through quite a few PR's. My 1RM has gone up immensely on every lift. Which is tough to do eating at maintenance. So it's def something I'm going to continue to take. It's cheap, the scientific studies on the benefits are well researched and after speaking with my doctor as long as I don't start overdosing he said I needn't worry about the kidney issues. He ordered bloodwork about a month or so ago and my numbers came back fine and I'm doing 5 grams per day.
http://examine.com/supplements/creatine/
That site has some really good information on the studies and benefits. If you scroll down you'll see there is very strong evidence in the studies that it increases power outputCreatine is the reference compound for power improvement, with numbers from one meta-analysis to assess potency being "Able to increase a 12% improvement in strength to 20% and able to increase a 12% increase in power to 26% following a training regiment using creatine monohydrate".
Really good article.
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Creatine is one of the most researched supplements out there. It's effective and cheap.2
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Carlos_421 wrote: »random_123 wrote: »kimdawnhayden wrote: »I'm a female using Creatine with the program Body Beast. I've never used it before and researched it a bit first. I bought some from GNC and it's Creatine Nitrate. The sales guy said it wouldn't cause as much water retention. I have gained about 5 lbs in 3 weeks. I was also at 150#'s and eating at 2000 calories as part of the Build/Bulk portion. I was wondering what everyone's experience was with it.
I'd ditch it. I used to use it quite a bit and I did see some small demonstrable effects on my 1RM, but I'm dubious about its bulking effects - did you load it first or start taking maintenance amounts right away? Anyway, frankly you're better served ditching it and making room for some extra whey or lean meat/fish in your diet plan while on a bulk. A small number of people do suffer from bloating and stomach aches as well so if you're one of those, definitely no point in using it.
You clearly don't understand how creatine works or what it's supposed to do.
It's not a "bulking aid." It's a strength training aid (hence your results on 1rm).
OP, if you want to read all the details of how creatine actually works, you can read about it here (it's too much info to post):
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne13.htm
But basically, creatine 1) provides an increased amount of creatine phosphate (key energy source for heavy lifting) and 2) causes increased hydration of the muscle tissue (which is why they say it causes you to retain water).
This results in the ability to add a few pounds to your lift and/or get in an extra rep or two. Those extra pounds/reps result in a more intense workout which leads to greater results over time.
Most people will find it effective while there is a very small percentage of outliers who, for whatever reason, are non-responders who don't see any benefits.
As for taking it, 5 grams per day is good for most people. You can "load" it if you prefer but it isn't necessary. Loading does cause you to reach saturation more quickly but you'll reach it soon enough either way (saturation is the point where there's enough creatine in your system that it can't hold anymore so you're getting as much benefit as possible).
Taking more than your body can hold just results in creatine being excreted in your urine.
Also worth noting is that creatine is now available is several different forms.
Creatine monohydrate is still the cheapest and most readily available.
Other types (like the creatine nitrate you were sold) are marketing hype to be able to charge more for creatine.
Some types may boast a quicker uptake but monohydrate is already so readily absorbed by the body that to improve on it brings no benefit.
Yup, this right here. I also take 5g daily for the usefulness described above. It is also the most researched performance enhancing supplement, all kinds of info can be found on it online.0 -
I had great results, but wouldn't use it again.
I was 20 and and dumb, and stuck on base overseas with nothing to do in my free time but workout. I had lifted every semester of high school, but had only increased strength, not bulk at all. I did the loading phase for six weeks (stupid), and my kidneys hurt. Still, I seemed to go harder/longer in the gym every time. It might have had something to do with working out for an hour plus nearly every day, but people were saying "holy crap!" about my arms in about a month. No other supplements.
Then I came back to the States, stopped working out, and lost it all. Ha, don't do that.
If it works for you, use it. Don't worry about the scale, just look for your gains.0 -
Carlos covered most but one thing to note, it doesnt work for everyone, especially those who have large amounts of meat in their diet.
Personally, it gave me stomach cramps and it didnt improve my 1rm.0 -
I've seen good results from creatine. I just use the basic creatine monohydrate (body tech brand) 5grams with is a teaspoon each day. You may experience a slight retention of water initially but with continued use you should be fine. You can also get it through meats in your diet .0
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Although there have also been studies that some may no respond to creatine supplementation .0
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AndyJBacon wrote: »I had great results, but wouldn't use it again.
I was 20 and and dumb, and stuck on base overseas with nothing to do in my free time but workout. I had lifted every semester of high school, but had only increased strength, not bulk at all. I did the loading phase for six weeks (stupid), and my kidneys hurt. Still, I seemed to go harder/longer in the gym every time. It might have had something to do with working out for an hour plus nearly every day, but people were saying "holy crap!" about my arms in about a month. No other supplements.
Then I came back to the States, stopped working out, and lost it all. Ha, don't do that.
If it works for you, use it. Don't worry about the scale, just look for your gains.
Did your back hurt to know that your kidneys hurt or was there blood in your urine. Just wondering how you knew it was your kidneys.0
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