Healthy Eating Plate from Harvard
JeromeBarry1
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Eh. I always laugh at the 'brown rice is better than white rice' thing.
Still shaking my head at nuts being put in the 'protein' category.3 -
Uncle. I can't figure out how to make the pretty picture appear on the discussion.
My comments on it: I satisfy the picture by using healthy oils of canola for cooking and olive for salads.
I satisfy the picture by eating lots of veggies. Potatoes and french fries don't count. I've had a small amount of potato in my food for the past week and will continue for a few more days.
I do not satisfy the picture by eating a variety of fruits of all colors. Prunes are brown. That's my only consistent fruit.
I get healthy protein every day from my poultry with breakfast and my nuts with lunch. The fish on Wednesday is a healthy protein. Pork isn't mentioned in the picture and I have that 2 days each week, and I have evil wicked mean and nasty beef 2 days each week.
I think I get the grains right. I have brown rice every day and my bread and tortilla are whole-grain. I avoid white bread and white rice.
And for the drinks I have water, tea, or coffee with no added sugar. My protein shake is mixed with 1/2 serving of milk, and I put 1/3 serving of cheese on my breakfast.
I don't think I do so badly for an amateur gastronome.0 -
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The healthy plate and its likes are quite possibly meant to help, and they may help in extreme cases for totally clueless individuals, but it's a bastardized (I'd really like to say perverted) version of a healthy meal/diet - it disrespects tradition and rationality, and at the same time both dumbs down and overcomplicates a complex but straightforward matter: eating well. A breakfast is usually very different from a dinner, and the same arrangement for all meals would make a monotonous diet.
The idea of food groups is good (and I use it myself) but it has limitations, just as you have discovered. Potatoes do count as starch, even though they are vegetables. Red and processed meat are often mixed together. Vegetables are mostly carbohydrate, but have their own group, unless they are in a group together with fruit. Butter is made from milk, but it's not dairy, or is it?
This arbitrary partitioning of nutrition ("nutritionalism") often leads to recommendations loaded with shoulds and musts. It's difficult to make all of them fit into your real life and with your personal taste. This is why I like places like MFP. All you have to do is hit your calorie and macro goals, everything else is up to your preference (lol, even macro goals and to some extent calorie goal is up to you). This made me stop worrying and looking for the "ideal" diet, but I eat better than ever and maybe better than most. I feel well and have no difficulties maintaining a good weight.
If you like, you can take a look at what I eat: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10386508/my-meals-w-pics#latest2 -
kommodevaran wrote: »Use the fourth icon from right to attach image files:
The healthy plate and its likes are quite possibly meant to help, and they may help in extreme cases for totally clueless individuals, but it's a bastardized (I'd really like to say perverted) version of a healthy meal/diet - it disrespects tradition and rationality, and at the same time both dumbs down and overcomplicates a complex but straightforward matter: eating well. A breakfast is usually very different from a dinner, and the same arrangement for all meals would make a monotonous diet.
The idea of food groups is good (and I use it myself) but it has limitations, just as you have discovered. Potatoes do count as starch, even though they are vegetables. Red and processed meat are often mixed together. Vegetables are mostly carbohydrate, but have their own group, unless they are in a group together with fruit. Butter is made from milk, but it's not dairy, or is it?
This arbitrary partitioning of nutrition ("nutritionalism") often leads to recommendations loaded with shoulds and musts. It's difficult to make all of them fit into your real life and with your personal taste. This is why I like places like MFP. All you have to do is hit your calorie and macro goals, everything else is up to your preference (lol, even macro goals and to some extent calorie goal is up to you). This made me stop worrying and looking for the "ideal" diet, but I eat better than ever and maybe better than most. I feel well and have no difficulties maintaining a good weight.
If you like, you can take a look at what I eat: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10386508/my-meals-w-pics#latest
I just took a peek at your other thread-I now feel very embarrassed about how I always just dump everything I eat together in one large bowl and call it good
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ReaderGirl3 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Use the fourth icon from right to attach image files:
The healthy plate and its likes are quite possibly meant to help, and they may help in extreme cases for totally clueless individuals, but it's a bastardized (I'd really like to say perverted) version of a healthy meal/diet - it disrespects tradition and rationality, and at the same time both dumbs down and overcomplicates a complex but straightforward matter: eating well. A breakfast is usually very different from a dinner, and the same arrangement for all meals would make a monotonous diet.
The idea of food groups is good (and I use it myself) but it has limitations, just as you have discovered. Potatoes do count as starch, even though they are vegetables. Red and processed meat are often mixed together. Vegetables are mostly carbohydrate, but have their own group, unless they are in a group together with fruit. Butter is made from milk, but it's not dairy, or is it?
This arbitrary partitioning of nutrition ("nutritionalism") often leads to recommendations loaded with shoulds and musts. It's difficult to make all of them fit into your real life and with your personal taste. This is why I like places like MFP. All you have to do is hit your calorie and macro goals, everything else is up to your preference (lol, even macro goals and to some extent calorie goal is up to you). This made me stop worrying and looking for the "ideal" diet, but I eat better than ever and maybe better than most. I feel well and have no difficulties maintaining a good weight.
If you like, you can take a look at what I eat: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10386508/my-meals-w-pics#latest
I just took a peek at your other thread-I now feel very embarrassed about how I always just dump everything I eat together in one large bowl and call it good
Lol, I had to really sharpen up when I decided to make it public
It doesn't normally look that tidy 
Not at all 
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avoid bacon
Limit butter
Yeah, no.
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She didn't say protein isn't in nuts, she questions why they're considered a strong source of protein. Calorically comparing to other protein sources, they aren't. 163 cals of almonds only has 6 gram protein while 163 cals of chicken has 34 grams protein. In many diets nuts are not a good source of protein (but are in others). I consider them a source of fat personally.
Again, depends on the personal diet whether white or brown rice is better.
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queenliz99 wrote: »
uh no... brown rice is healthier ... it is a matter of opinion which tastes better
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queenliz99 wrote: »
uh no... brown rice is healthier ... it is a matter of opinion which tastes better
Why do you think brown rice is healthier than white?
Eta: clarifying my question0 -
For me white rice is much healthier than brown.0
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singingflutelady wrote: »For me white rice is much healthier than white.
Are you colorblind, by chance?1 -
"I'm not a ricist, but..." 6
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fangedneko wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »For me white rice is much healthier than white.
Are you colorblind, by chance?
hahah oops I mean white is much healthier than brown 1 -
fangedneko wrote: »avoid bacon
Limit butter
Yeah, no.
LOL Exactly.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
uh no... brown rice is healthier ... it is a matter of opinion which tastes better
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/brown-rice-vs-white-rice/
To sum up - it really doesn't make any difference if you're eating brown or white rice.5 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
uh no... brown rice is healthier ... it is a matter of opinion which tastes better
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/brown-rice-vs-white-rice/
To sum up - it really doesn't make any difference if you're eating brown or white rice.
Nice link!0 -
No mention of forbidden rice at all? #blackcarbsmatter
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To me, it feels like the government would rather classify nuts as a source of protein than a source of fat because of the fear mongering fat gets.
I'd feel a little better about labeling nuts as protein if the healthy oils portion of the chart could be changed to healthy fats.0 -
I think they mention nuts as a source of protein because it's more likely to be used as such in a low meat or vegetarian diet and the Harvard site is pretty friendly to vegetarianism (which isn't a surprise if one has read Willett, who is one of the experts that site relies on).
I think it's a good basic summary, although I'm a lot more flexible and don't do everything it suggests (I also see no meaningful reason to prefer one vs. the other between rice and brown rice from a nutrition perspective, but the overall tendency of that site is to prefer options with more fiber rather than those with fiber largely removed).1 -
CooCooPuff wrote: »
To me, it feels like the government would rather classify nuts as a source of protein than a source of fat because of the fear mongering fat gets.
I'd feel a little better about labeling nuts as protein if the healthy oils portion of the chart could be changed to healthy fats.
If you look at the sections of that site that discuss fat specifically, it's not anti fat (and also the site is not from the gov't and that plate is supposed to be different from the MyPlate from the gov't -- the gov't has actually moved closer to the Harvard advice in recent years). It does distinguish between different types of fat.0 -
Dang, that's what I get for just looking at the picture posted.lemurcat12 wrote: »CooCooPuff wrote: »
To me, it feels like the government would rather classify nuts as a source of protein than a source of fat because of the fear mongering fat gets.
I'd feel a little better about labeling nuts as protein if the healthy oils portion of the chart could be changed to healthy fats.
If you look at the sections of that site that discuss fat specifically, it's not anti fat (and also the site is not from the gov't and that plate is supposed to be different from the MyPlate from the gov't -- the gov't has actually moved closer to the Harvard advice in recent years). It does distinguish between different types of fat.
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queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »
uh no... brown rice is healthier ... it is a matter of opinion which tastes better
Why do you think brown rice is healthier than white?
Eta: clarifying my question
Because whole grains are healthier than refined grains. I'm not a huge brown rice supporter. I hardly eat it and a lot of people have trouble digesting it. But from a nutritional stand point brown rice has more nutrition because it hasn't been stripped away during the refining process. I didn't mean to start a big debate.0 -
Those geniuses said potatoes don't count as a vegetable! Since when? Potatoes are a perfectly healthy and nutritious veg. Idiots!0
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Real Fact: White rice and brown rice are about the same nutritionally.4
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She didn't say protein isn't in nuts, she questions why they're considered a strong source of protein. Calorically comparing to other protein sources, they aren't. 163 cals of almonds only has 6 gram protein while 163 cals of chicken has 34 grams protein. In many diets nuts are not a good source of protein (but are in others). I consider them a source of fat personally.
Again, depends on the personal diet whether white or brown rice is better.
It's those nut grower lobbie$ and their deep pocket$. THE U$DA only cares about ca$h! Bought and sold!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
/sarcasm3
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