Are fat people just lazy and make excuses?
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lol. I'm sure you could try to be somewhere in between. I have asthma and with medical management actually workout at a fairly high intensity (my preference). I knew someone with type 1 diabetes - I'm not certain if they favored the treadmill but I know they had one and that they exercised regularly, which also helped them manage their condition better (helps me, too). I imagine there are some health issues that could completely eliminate exercise from one's lifestyle. I'm not personally familiar with a lot of them1 -
afatpersonwholikesfood wrote: »so I read the rest of the responses and mostly yes...people here who were fat or are currently losing admit it we were lazy and made excuses.
Lazy being not making the changes required to lose the weight.
You can work 60-80 hours a week and be lazy
You can have an immaculate house and be lazy
Lazy is defined as "unwilling to work or use energy."...
losing weight requires energy put forth into that area.
Imagine investing a great deal of time, money, blood, sweat, and tears into a business. You do well and feel on top of the world. You're the most popular place in town for awhile. Time passes, and for reasons that you won't understand until later, that business slowly goes under.
So, you build again a few years later. Once again, your business reaches a certain status. Maybe you do too well. Maybe you take things for granted. Maybe you blow too much corporate money on blow. For reasons that you somewhat understand, it collapses.
A few more years pass, and you invest everything that's left. You're wildly successful for a time. You make more money than you ever have despite having more debts than you ever had. A mix of old and new problems surface, and in your frustration, before the business has a chance to properly fail, you set fire to the place in a moment of insanity. Now you're deeper in debt than ever.
Even your closest friends and family tell you that perhaps you just aren't cut out to be a business owner. They look at you differently. They're a bit horrified by the torching of the last business though most of them have the good sense not to say so. For the first time, they accept you as a penniless fry cook at your local burger joint instead of urging you to follow your dreams - both a relief and a source of great sadness.
You have no faith in your ability to maintain a business beyond the 2-year mark. Even if you did, you've long since used up all your capital. You spend the next 7 years just being. Things, outside of not being a business owner, actually go amazingly well. Still, you have an insane amount of debt. It weighs on you every second of every day. You know it's going to bury you, but your job at the local burger joint isn't going to cover it.
It's okay until it's not okay. Secretly, with almost no hope and just a humble desire to make a small dent in that debt, with money that you are quite convinced you will never see again, you begin to build a 4th business. Not enough time has passed to determine whether this business will make it for the rest of your life. You keep going each day, but you're still scared that a future version of you will burn everything to the ground. You do have a kind of grim determination that you've never had before, but you're certainly not going to climb onto any high horses.
Does "lazy" fit?
Just for some perspective since I realize that everyone is on MFP for different reasons and from different fitness/BMI backgrounds.
Fabulous analogy! As a many times failed dieter, I can definitely related to this!
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afatpersonwholikesfood wrote: »so I read the rest of the responses and mostly yes...people here who were fat or are currently losing admit it we were lazy and made excuses.
Lazy being not making the changes required to lose the weight.
You can work 60-80 hours a week and be lazy
You can have an immaculate house and be lazy
Lazy is defined as "unwilling to work or use energy."...
losing weight requires energy put forth into that area.
Imagine investing a great deal of time, money, blood, sweat, and tears into a business. You do well and feel on top of the world. You're the most popular place in town for awhile. Time passes, and for reasons that you won't understand until later, that business slowly goes under.
So, you build again a few years later. Once again, your business reaches a certain status. Maybe you do too well. Maybe you take things for granted. Maybe you blow too much corporate money on blow. For reasons that you somewhat understand, it collapses.
A few more years pass, and you invest everything that's left. You're wildly successful for a time. You make more money than you ever have despite having more debts than you ever had. A mix of old and new problems surface, and in your frustration, before the business has a chance to properly fail, you set fire to the place in a moment of insanity. Now you're deeper in debt than ever.
Even your closest friends and family tell you that perhaps you just aren't cut out to be a business owner. They look at you differently. They're a bit horrified by the torching of the last business though most of them have the good sense not to say so. For the first time, they accept you as a penniless fry cook at your local burger joint instead of urging you to follow your dreams - both a relief and a source of great sadness.
You have no faith in your ability to maintain a business beyond the 2-year mark. Even if you did, you've long since used up all your capital. You spend the next 7 years just being. Things, outside of not being a business owner, actually go amazingly well. Still, you have an insane amount of debt. It weighs on you every second of every day. You know it's going to bury you, but your job at the local burger joint isn't going to cover it.
It's okay until it's not okay. Secretly, with almost no hope and just a humble desire to make a small dent in that debt, with money that you are quite convinced you will never see again, you begin to build a 4th business. Not enough time has passed to determine whether this business will make it for the rest of your life. You keep going each day, but you're still scared that a future version of you will burn everything to the ground. You do have a kind of grim determination that you've never had before, but you're certainly not going to climb onto any high horses.
Does "lazy" fit?
Just for some perspective since I realize that everyone is on MFP for different reasons and from different fitness/BMI backgrounds.
@afatpersonwholikesfood not sure what this story has to do with what I said. It''s not about weight it's about a persons ability to be success at being a business owner.
Concrete think much @SexyStef? This is called an analogy, and a particularly apt one.2 -
lol. I'm sure you could try to be somewhere in between. I have asthma and with medical management actually workout at a fairly high intensity (my preference). I knew someone with type 1 diabetes - I'm not certain if they favored the treadmill but I know they had one and that they exercised regularly, which also helped them manage their condition better (helps me, too). I imagine there are some health issues that could completely eliminate exercise from one's lifestyle. I'm not personally familiar with a lot of them
Agreed. Fit asthmatic here who lifts and runs. Does it limit my running performance? Yes. Has it gotten in my way at times? Yes. I even find myself panting for breath often after high-rep squats. Has it stopped me? No. It's a challenge to be overcome, not an excuse.1 -
Disabled people who can't exercise that are overweight are lazy What an odd post tbh & why does it matter
Your life is your own don't worry about mr x y z0 -
I used to be 300lbs, I wasn't lazy when it came to anything else, but yes, I let myself get to that weight1
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Disabled people who can't exercise that are overweight are lazy What an odd post tbh & why does it matter
Your life is your own don't worry about mr x y z
Have you ever watched the Special Olympics? How about former soldiers with no legs killing it in TRX straps or on a basketball court? Did you pay attention to the Boston Marathon this year? These people have overcome very real disabilities (and often a ton of pain and frustration) to make the most out of what they have. Yes, there are people who are truly bedridden, but focusing on what one cannot do rather than what one can do is a recipe for excuses and failure.0 -
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positivepowers wrote: »afatpersonwholikesfood wrote: »so I read the rest of the responses and mostly yes...people here who were fat or are currently losing admit it we were lazy and made excuses.
Lazy being not making the changes required to lose the weight.
You can work 60-80 hours a week and be lazy
You can have an immaculate house and be lazy
Lazy is defined as "unwilling to work or use energy."...
losing weight requires energy put forth into that area.
Imagine investing a great deal of time, money, blood, sweat, and tears into a business. You do well and feel on top of the world. You're the most popular place in town for awhile. Time passes, and for reasons that you won't understand until later, that business slowly goes under.
So, you build again a few years later. Once again, your business reaches a certain status. Maybe you do too well. Maybe you take things for granted. Maybe you blow too much corporate money on blow. For reasons that you somewhat understand, it collapses.
A few more years pass, and you invest everything that's left. You're wildly successful for a time. You make more money than you ever have despite having more debts than you ever had. A mix of old and new problems surface, and in your frustration, before the business has a chance to properly fail, you set fire to the place in a moment of insanity. Now you're deeper in debt than ever.
Even your closest friends and family tell you that perhaps you just aren't cut out to be a business owner. They look at you differently. They're a bit horrified by the torching of the last business though most of them have the good sense not to say so. For the first time, they accept you as a penniless fry cook at your local burger joint instead of urging you to follow your dreams - both a relief and a source of great sadness.
You have no faith in your ability to maintain a business beyond the 2-year mark. Even if you did, you've long since used up all your capital. You spend the next 7 years just being. Things, outside of not being a business owner, actually go amazingly well. Still, you have an insane amount of debt. It weighs on you every second of every day. You know it's going to bury you, but your job at the local burger joint isn't going to cover it.
It's okay until it's not okay. Secretly, with almost no hope and just a humble desire to make a small dent in that debt, with money that you are quite convinced you will never see again, you begin to build a 4th business. Not enough time has passed to determine whether this business will make it for the rest of your life. You keep going each day, but you're still scared that a future version of you will burn everything to the ground. You do have a kind of grim determination that you've never had before, but you're certainly not going to climb onto any high horses.
Does "lazy" fit?
Just for some perspective since I realize that everyone is on MFP for different reasons and from different fitness/BMI backgrounds.
@afatpersonwholikesfood not sure what this story has to do with what I said. It''s not about weight it's about a persons ability to be success at being a business owner.
Concrete think much @SexyStef? This is called an analogy, and a particularly apt one.
@positivepowers and like my other reply said I had already stated my opinion on the question prior to it being asking so again not sure what it had to do with my 2nd reply...And yes you will have to excuse my concrete thinking...I guess I expect that questions won't be asked when the answer is known.
and to make it simple simple I answered the question before it was asked....so not answering it again.
However I will say this...asked my partner about it and his response was this...
"lazy" has some many bad "connotations" to it...people are better off calling it "lackadaisical" towards their health and weight....not so much in other parts of their life...as he explain...a guy he works with...works all the time but is unhealthy and overweight...another guy is fit and healthy and a good weight...doesn't do much work on the job...
Who is lazy in that scenario?
so instead of being "baited" into some little "you so mean" fest I will say this...I agree with my husband.0 -
positivepowers wrote: »afatpersonwholikesfood wrote: »so I read the rest of the responses and mostly yes...people here who were fat or are currently losing admit it we were lazy and made excuses.
Lazy being not making the changes required to lose the weight.
You can work 60-80 hours a week and be lazy
You can have an immaculate house and be lazy
Lazy is defined as "unwilling to work or use energy."...
losing weight requires energy put forth into that area.
Imagine investing a great deal of time, money, blood, sweat, and tears into a business. You do well and feel on top of the world. You're the most popular place in town for awhile. Time passes, and for reasons that you won't understand until later, that business slowly goes under.
So, you build again a few years later. Once again, your business reaches a certain status. Maybe you do too well. Maybe you take things for granted. Maybe you blow too much corporate money on blow. For reasons that you somewhat understand, it collapses.
A few more years pass, and you invest everything that's left. You're wildly successful for a time. You make more money than you ever have despite having more debts than you ever had. A mix of old and new problems surface, and in your frustration, before the business has a chance to properly fail, you set fire to the place in a moment of insanity. Now you're deeper in debt than ever.
Even your closest friends and family tell you that perhaps you just aren't cut out to be a business owner. They look at you differently. They're a bit horrified by the torching of the last business though most of them have the good sense not to say so. For the first time, they accept you as a penniless fry cook at your local burger joint instead of urging you to follow your dreams - both a relief and a source of great sadness.
You have no faith in your ability to maintain a business beyond the 2-year mark. Even if you did, you've long since used up all your capital. You spend the next 7 years just being. Things, outside of not being a business owner, actually go amazingly well. Still, you have an insane amount of debt. It weighs on you every second of every day. You know it's going to bury you, but your job at the local burger joint isn't going to cover it.
It's okay until it's not okay. Secretly, with almost no hope and just a humble desire to make a small dent in that debt, with money that you are quite convinced you will never see again, you begin to build a 4th business. Not enough time has passed to determine whether this business will make it for the rest of your life. You keep going each day, but you're still scared that a future version of you will burn everything to the ground. You do have a kind of grim determination that you've never had before, but you're certainly not going to climb onto any high horses.
Does "lazy" fit?
Just for some perspective since I realize that everyone is on MFP for different reasons and from different fitness/BMI backgrounds.
@afatpersonwholikesfood not sure what this story has to do with what I said. It''s not about weight it's about a persons ability to be success at being a business owner.
Concrete think much @SexyStef? This is called an analogy, and a particularly apt one.
@positivepowers and like my other reply said I had already stated my opinion on the question prior to it being asking so again not sure what it had to do with my 2nd reply...And yes you will have to excuse my concrete thinking...I guess I expect that questions won't be asked when the answer is known.
and to make it simple simple I answered the question before it was asked....so not answering it again.
However I will say this...asked my partner about it and his response was this...
"lazy" has some many bad "connotations" to it...people are better off calling it "lackadaisical" towards their health and weight....not so much in other parts of their life...as he explain...a guy he works with...works all the time but is unhealthy and overweight...another guy is fit and healthy and a good weight...doesn't do much work on the job...
Who is lazy in that scenario?
so instead of being "baited" into some little "you so mean" fest I will say this...I agree with my husband.
I'd say the "does lazy fit" question at the end was more of a rhetorical question to give us all a chance to really let what she had written sink in. What I read was a more or less spontaneously wittten personal story about how she had tried again and again with all her might to lose weight with varying degrees of success and happiness, only for any number of reasons to "lose" it all. How do you have the faith and perseverance to execute such a challenging task over and over, when you have no idea if you'll truly achieve and maintain your goal permanently, or if it'll just be another cruel taste of fleeting success? It's a story of the strength of the human spirit, and how one might manage to get up each time after getting kicked down more times than they could recount.
To all of you out there struggling and still having the courage to get it done, I salute you. And if you're not there yet, we'll be here when you are
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In my opinion I feel like it's important to consider why someone might be coming off as "lazy." After having my twins my hormones weren't regulating correctly and I dealt with horrible postpartum depression and anxiety and intrusive thoughts. I had to go onto a depression meds for my mental health that had a side effect of essentially making me "lazy." I didn't want to move much and I ate more than I should have but I also didn't want to kill myself. So maybe there's deeper reason to the "laziness" for some people that should be considered before making such a generalized statement.0
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daniellek30 wrote: »I think the thing is that once 'some' people lose the weight, they realize that they could have done it a LONG time ago if they would have just stuck to it (note, I said some, because not everyone is like this!)
I am overweight, and I won't lie, I've been lazy about it. I make excuses, and it's a daily struggle to stick to what I know is a proven method to lose weight. I work a pretty hectic schedule at work, and I also own a tattoo shop with my husband so my hours are crazy.
I KNOW that I can go home at night and cook a healthy meal for the next day for me to eat. But after being tired, etc. I go to bed and then end up just eating out the next day.
I KNOW that drinking water throughout the day is healthy, and it's what my body needs, but man I really love coffee and a beer sounds good with my dinner.
In all honesty, when people make comments like that it makes me feel ashamed, because I think it's probably true for me.daniellek30 wrote: »I think the thing is that once 'some' people lose the weight, they realize that they could have done it a LONG time ago if they would have just stuck to it (note, I said some, because not everyone is like this!)
I am overweight, and I won't lie, I've been lazy about it. I make excuses, and it's a daily struggle to stick to what I know is a proven method to lose weight. I work a pretty hectic schedule at work, and I also own a tattoo shop with my husband so my hours are crazy.
I KNOW that I can go home at night and cook a healthy meal for the next day for me to eat. But after being tired, etc. I go to bed and then end up just eating out the next day.
I KNOW that drinking water throughout the day is healthy, and it's what my body needs, but man I really love coffee and a beer sounds good with my dinner.
In all honesty, when people make comments like that it makes me feel ashamed, because I think it's probably true for me.
You don't have to drink tons of water to meet your requirement for liquids /hydration. Drinking water does seem to help some people lose weight, but not because it's meeting some nutritional need. It helps because it cuts down on how much many people can eat because it keeps you full. All the liquid you take in counts. From tea, soda, coffee, juice, beer, veggies and fruits, even meats. Of course caffeine and alcohol can undermine things, but if you aren't thirsty, you're getting enough liquid. Unless something is inferring with your thirst response, like old age or some illnesses.0 -
I cared that I was "fat" (I was barely overweight) when I was a teenager. But by the time I was ~25 I was happily married and comfortable in my own skin. I didn't care. I wasn't exactly last. I liked food a lot (still do). I had varying levels of activity. My weight would go up and down in about a 25-35 lb range without any effort on my part. I'm still not sure what my highest weight was, but probably around 270 lbs (I'm 5'4" to put that in perspective). But I would also drop down to 235 sometimes.
I finally got annoyed with my size one day because some clothes didn't fit. I was around 250 lbs. I decided to lose weight and I did, 46 lbs. Probably would have kept going but I got pregnant, almost died, developed hypothyroidism that went undiagnosed for 18 months, lost that weight when my meds stabilized, and got pregnant again.
I am a totally lazy person, but that has nothing to do with my weight. Lazy just means the laundry piles up and I order my husband around like a domestic servant. "Fetch me a glass of water, knave!"2 -
It's not that fat people are lazy....some people don't have set goals or things they want....if they did then they will be really determined to go for it0
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Here is a blog on motivation with a contentious perspective. "Merry X-mas and Tough Love for Bob"
https://www.t-nation.com/powerful-words/merry-christmas-bob
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It's not that fat people are lazy....some people don't have set goals or things they want....if they did then they will be really determined to go for it
I'm pretty sure fat people have and set goals. They may just have different goals at the present time. I achieved a number of goals while I was fat -- hard ones that not everyone could achieve, even.1 -
Meh, when I was overweight i was no more or less lazy than I am now. I just ate more.3
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Often the culprit is the emotional state which no one really gets. The physiological differences. The psychological differences from person to person.
You can live in your head thinking that it's a lazy thing. People who say things like, "they are lazy," often lack the emotional maturity to understand that food, in today's commercial society, more than ever, is a drug. People do not become drug addicts because they are lazy. They become addicts because the are; stressed, depressed, distraught, down, lost, and suffering.
How and what you what you eat is also dictated by heredity. For instance, I cannot eat bowls upon bowls of rice... But my Japanese girl friend can. Her generics are quite simply different than mine.
Do I personally feel sorry for them? No.
Can I empathize? Yes.
You inspire people by telling your story.
A good story makes people dream.
Being critical of others is a simple reflection of a conversation most people have with their own self when they are fighting them selves.
How you engage is how people react.
Do you like to dream or like to fight yourself?
One is a losing battle... The other can transform your world.
Dream big!
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People like binary absolutes. It makes them feel safe...
In reality, there are lots of grays to discern.
What strikes me among some of the most overweight people who have quizzed me about my approach to weight loss since I began last August is how much misinformation they are operating under. They lead with things like 'Oh calories might mean something to you, but my metabolism is broken.' Or 'I ate 1200 calories a day for six months and didn't lose a pound.' Then when I ask how they know they really ate only 1200 calories (because that is actually an uncomfortably small number & they are clearly still 300+ pounds!) I've heard 'Oh I didn't need to weigh my food because I knew I measured perfectly.' Several overweight teachers have said to me very seriously 'My doctor told me I would never lose the weight I need to lose at my age without x, y, or z...'
The heaviest people I have encountered in the last nine months have lots of 'theories' about weight loss but they are mostly of a conspiracy theory ilk.
And they do sincerely feel like they are working hard without asking themselves if they are working smart or well informed.
It would be like if you were told running on a giant hamster wheel in your home would 'magically' pay your rent for the month... You would run and run and yet always be short rent because the rate of pay off is so low... Pretty soon you're skipping your day job that actually paid your rent just to 'effortlessly' pay your rent this other way.
The largest people I have met do not strike me as particularly lazy, but they do seem entrenched in their opinions and unwilling to push beyond certain physical and psychological 'comfort zones.'3
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