The theory we immediately gain weight after sudden weight loss is a false and heres why.
johnturnerbradley
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Over the past 3 months I have lost 2st 10lb in body fat and have been documenting almost daily my diet, cardio at the gym and gradual weight loss.
The fact that I have lost nearly 3 stone in 3 months has caused quiet a few friends and family to A) Comment on how much better I look and B, say when they have lost weight they have put the pounds straight back on when following a similar regime to myself and have said to expect immediate weight gain should I stop training.
In fact this is popular belief that should you all of sudden drop 8 pounds over a period of time, the faster you lose the weight the faster you will put it back on. This is a complete misconception and I will argue based on my findings that your body does not cling on to extra calories when weight loss is rapid.
To start with, a brief introduction about where I was and where I am now. I am 29, 6ft and in January I decided to buy some scales after they were flying off of the shelves due to many peoples' New Years resolutions to lose a few extra pounds. Being conscious of how I look I was shocked to find I was 15 stone 4 pounds and 30% body fat.
I joined the gym and started training 4-5 times per week with a very simple strategy. Eat less, train more and keep away from sugar and eat a low carb diet. Yes by sugar I also include fruit in this category.
Not to move away too much from the title of my post but thats where I was and how I started.
Before weight loss I also believed that strict calorie diets will lead anyone to put on more weight should they stop training or to go back to square one. With realisation I was too heavy I knew I had to follow a strategy and stick to it to be more comfortable with myself.
Over the past 3 months and weighing myself almost daily I found that when I did treat myself whether it would be two days consecutively or without training for an extended period of time. Not necessarily staying away from the gym for weeks but 3-4 days and not sticking to my diet and after easily eating 3500 - 4000 calories per day I would put on 4-6lbs. This has happened to me several times.
Now it is important to note that I found I was putting a lot of weight fast when not training probably from week 3-4, when I had lost 12-14lb. Then when I started back at the gym after two days training consecutively with a restricted diet, I had lost the 4-6lbs I had put on and after day 2 the pounds continued to melt away. Please also bear in mind my cheat days consist of Pizza, Doughnuts, Take Aways, Alcohol, copious amounts of 'bad' food, basically anything that I shouldn't eat but love to eat, which now days is pretty much everything.
When others go to the gym, workout or follow a diet plan they lose weight, which is great! Some faster than others depending on diet / body fat etc etc. They lose 4lb and stop the workouts and all of a sudden the weight is back on. For us to be overweight our relationship with food is already questionable. You cannot maintain the 4lb weight loss forever, but why is it the pounds seem to hit us faster than what we lost them or at the same rate?
The reason for immediate weight gain when we lose weight is for 2 reasons.
Firstly: Water Weight.
Our bodies are 70% water, eating high carbohydrate foods stores water in the body as does alcohol and high sugar and salty foods. The 4-6lb's I put on is pure water and if I were to share my progress graph you would see a declining line in body weight with sharp increases and decreases almost weekly, because although I am strict with what I eat, I do still enjoy my food and will be glutenous on cheat days and why not.
I challenge anyone to eat without a strict diet for 3-4 days and weigh yourself. Then on a strict, limited sugar and low carb diet with 45 - 60 minute per day cardio (get yourself sweating so you are dripping wet) for two days, weigh yourself again I will put money that you would of lost 1,2,3 or maybe even 4lbs+. Then eat without a strict diet for 3-4 days again, weigh yourself and see the weight loss you had achieved disappear. Then repeat the limited sugar, low carb diet with the cardio again and see that weight loss reappear as if by magic.
We lose water initially and then fat.
So next time someone or it might be yourself who thinks strict diets are a bad idea when excising because the weight loss will reappear in record time, please note in the first week 60% or maybe even 100% of what you have lost is water. If you do eat high sugar and carbs and have not seen any progress then you have your answer, cut them out or significantly decrease them. You do not need the extra sugar from fruit either but the odd piece is fine. Any sugar will heavily hinder your weight loss goals when eaten with Carbs. It is one or the other.
Secondly and finally the other reason why people put the weight back on is because they think I have lost weight, I am happy and now I don't need to train or watch what I eat anymore. So as a result the pounds that have ''gone'' suddenly reappear.
It is a known fact when there is a 3500 calorie deficit in a diet we should lose 1lb of fat but for some reason people seeking to lose weight do not think about what happens if they over consume by 3500 calories. You guessed it, you will put on 1lb, this is how we got to this stage in the first place right, by eating too much?
Think about averages - my recommendation for anyone aiming to lose weight is to not be hard on yourself if you have a meal out planned or you want a takeaway. Aim to have an average calorie consumption of 14,000 per week. So if you have 2 cheat evenings with an estimated calorie consumption of 4000 calories on each of those 2 days, you know you need to expend 4000 calories over the next week.
This is easier than it sounds. Eat 500 calories per day less than the RDA for 5 days that = 2500 calories then burn 1500 at the gym which is 300 calories per day if you train for 5 days or 500 calories if you train 3 days, with a 5 day diet for being healthy. Pretty much how the 5:2 diet works.
Too often those people who have said to me they end up putting the weight back on immediately after losing it, is simply because they do not realise how much water weighs. 1 pint of water = 1lb on the scales.
If you are new to the journey of weight loss, there is no quick fix! You must be consistent and add exercise both cardio and toning at least 3 times per week with a calorie count under 1900 calories per day for at least 5 days to see any results, if you do not have an active job, like me.
Good luck everyone and feel free to add me or comment and I will happily reply.
The fact that I have lost nearly 3 stone in 3 months has caused quiet a few friends and family to A) Comment on how much better I look and B, say when they have lost weight they have put the pounds straight back on when following a similar regime to myself and have said to expect immediate weight gain should I stop training.
In fact this is popular belief that should you all of sudden drop 8 pounds over a period of time, the faster you lose the weight the faster you will put it back on. This is a complete misconception and I will argue based on my findings that your body does not cling on to extra calories when weight loss is rapid.
To start with, a brief introduction about where I was and where I am now. I am 29, 6ft and in January I decided to buy some scales after they were flying off of the shelves due to many peoples' New Years resolutions to lose a few extra pounds. Being conscious of how I look I was shocked to find I was 15 stone 4 pounds and 30% body fat.
I joined the gym and started training 4-5 times per week with a very simple strategy. Eat less, train more and keep away from sugar and eat a low carb diet. Yes by sugar I also include fruit in this category.
Not to move away too much from the title of my post but thats where I was and how I started.
Before weight loss I also believed that strict calorie diets will lead anyone to put on more weight should they stop training or to go back to square one. With realisation I was too heavy I knew I had to follow a strategy and stick to it to be more comfortable with myself.
Over the past 3 months and weighing myself almost daily I found that when I did treat myself whether it would be two days consecutively or without training for an extended period of time. Not necessarily staying away from the gym for weeks but 3-4 days and not sticking to my diet and after easily eating 3500 - 4000 calories per day I would put on 4-6lbs. This has happened to me several times.
Now it is important to note that I found I was putting a lot of weight fast when not training probably from week 3-4, when I had lost 12-14lb. Then when I started back at the gym after two days training consecutively with a restricted diet, I had lost the 4-6lbs I had put on and after day 2 the pounds continued to melt away. Please also bear in mind my cheat days consist of Pizza, Doughnuts, Take Aways, Alcohol, copious amounts of 'bad' food, basically anything that I shouldn't eat but love to eat, which now days is pretty much everything.
When others go to the gym, workout or follow a diet plan they lose weight, which is great! Some faster than others depending on diet / body fat etc etc. They lose 4lb and stop the workouts and all of a sudden the weight is back on. For us to be overweight our relationship with food is already questionable. You cannot maintain the 4lb weight loss forever, but why is it the pounds seem to hit us faster than what we lost them or at the same rate?
The reason for immediate weight gain when we lose weight is for 2 reasons.
Firstly: Water Weight.
Our bodies are 70% water, eating high carbohydrate foods stores water in the body as does alcohol and high sugar and salty foods. The 4-6lb's I put on is pure water and if I were to share my progress graph you would see a declining line in body weight with sharp increases and decreases almost weekly, because although I am strict with what I eat, I do still enjoy my food and will be glutenous on cheat days and why not.
I challenge anyone to eat without a strict diet for 3-4 days and weigh yourself. Then on a strict, limited sugar and low carb diet with 45 - 60 minute per day cardio (get yourself sweating so you are dripping wet) for two days, weigh yourself again I will put money that you would of lost 1,2,3 or maybe even 4lbs+. Then eat without a strict diet for 3-4 days again, weigh yourself and see the weight loss you had achieved disappear. Then repeat the limited sugar, low carb diet with the cardio again and see that weight loss reappear as if by magic.
We lose water initially and then fat.
So next time someone or it might be yourself who thinks strict diets are a bad idea when excising because the weight loss will reappear in record time, please note in the first week 60% or maybe even 100% of what you have lost is water. If you do eat high sugar and carbs and have not seen any progress then you have your answer, cut them out or significantly decrease them. You do not need the extra sugar from fruit either but the odd piece is fine. Any sugar will heavily hinder your weight loss goals when eaten with Carbs. It is one or the other.
Secondly and finally the other reason why people put the weight back on is because they think I have lost weight, I am happy and now I don't need to train or watch what I eat anymore. So as a result the pounds that have ''gone'' suddenly reappear.
It is a known fact when there is a 3500 calorie deficit in a diet we should lose 1lb of fat but for some reason people seeking to lose weight do not think about what happens if they over consume by 3500 calories. You guessed it, you will put on 1lb, this is how we got to this stage in the first place right, by eating too much?
Think about averages - my recommendation for anyone aiming to lose weight is to not be hard on yourself if you have a meal out planned or you want a takeaway. Aim to have an average calorie consumption of 14,000 per week. So if you have 2 cheat evenings with an estimated calorie consumption of 4000 calories on each of those 2 days, you know you need to expend 4000 calories over the next week.
This is easier than it sounds. Eat 500 calories per day less than the RDA for 5 days that = 2500 calories then burn 1500 at the gym which is 300 calories per day if you train for 5 days or 500 calories if you train 3 days, with a 5 day diet for being healthy. Pretty much how the 5:2 diet works.
Too often those people who have said to me they end up putting the weight back on immediately after losing it, is simply because they do not realise how much water weighs. 1 pint of water = 1lb on the scales.
If you are new to the journey of weight loss, there is no quick fix! You must be consistent and add exercise both cardio and toning at least 3 times per week with a calorie count under 1900 calories per day for at least 5 days to see any results, if you do not have an active job, like me.
Good luck everyone and feel free to add me or comment and I will happily reply.
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never heard of this theory.
edit: what I have heard is that most people do regain weight they lost. And frankly, that holds statistically, all personal stories aside.
edit edit: "It is a known fact when there is a 3500 calorie deficit in a diet we should lose 1lb of fat"
That's a general estimate of calories in a lb lost (the research was done almost 100 years ago and corresponds to about 90% fat an 10% connective tissue, By the way). It's an estimate - not a "known fact".5 -
In for another "sugar is evil" argument.6
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The main reason why those who rapidly lose weight tend to put it back on, is purely behavioural. People who do it fast don't tend to lock in the behavioural changes conducive to maintaining their new weight. No matter how fast you strip the fat off, if you stay on track and disciplined, you will continue to do well. Your body does not have some magical fat-brain which goes into "starvation mode" or any crap like that.27
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Of course, if we are 10lbs heavier than what we would like to be we have got there for a reason. Very cliche but every action has a reaction.
In the initial phase weight regain it is water, however should I personally go back to consuming what I liked then over the course of 6 months to a year I would probably put the 2 stone 10 pounds back on. It comes down to the relationship with food. If anyone is greedy like me, my relationship with food is still terrible but I work on the theory of averages.
Last weekend I ate 2 burger kings (large meals), Take Away Pizza, 20+ beers, other take out food etc etc because of a weekend away with friends. Before I left I weighed 12st 8.4lbs to be precise and when I returned I weighed 13 stone. A 6lb increase. After going to the gym for the last 2 days and trying to average out my calorie consumption (eating only 800 - 1000 calories per day and burning 1500 at the gym) I am now 12 stone 7.4lbs. The lightest I have been in about 7 years. So I have lost the water and lost 1lb in weight.0 -
Well, the most important thing to say is congrats on your progress so far.
But....
All that is needed to lose weight is a calorie deficit as you mention. How you get there is highly irrelevant but mostly dependent on preference and activity levels. Eating sugar "with carbs" doesn't makes sense as sugar is a carb so you are always eating it with carbs. The common problem foods are sugar mixed with fat. And even those don't need to be cut out as long as a calorie deficit remains.
And recommending a blanket calorie for everyone is just plain irresponsible to do. There are plenty that would gain on 1900 per day and there are plenty like myself who think of 1900 as breakfast.20 -
Sugar is evil if over consumed especially when combines with high carbohydrates. I.e Various branded Sauces we combine with pasta, rice, potatoes. Sugar and Carbohydrates are both high energy sources, if over consumed consistently together there is only one result... weight gain.0
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johnturnerbradley wrote: »Sugar is evil if over consumed especially when combines with high carbohydrates. I.e Various branded Sauces we combine with pasta, rice, potatoes. Sugar and Carbohydrates are both high energy sources, if over consumed consistently together there is only one result... weight gain.
No, only a calorie surplus causes weight gain. And yes, overconsumption of sugar as well as any other calorie source is bad.16 -
johnturnerbradley wrote: »Sugar is evil if over consumed especially when combines with high carbohydrates. I.e Various branded Sauces we combine with pasta, rice, potatoes. Sugar and Carbohydrates are both high energy sources, if over consumed consistently together there is only one result... weight gain.
Anything is evil if over consumed - sugar and carbs are not a problem unless you have certain medical issues, ie diabetes.
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This is why they call it a life style change....because if you don't change your eating and exercise habits for the long haul than the weight will go back on, guaranteed. A lot of people lose the weight and may even hit their goal(s) but once satisfied, they aren't willing to put the effort in to keep it off, in which case, yes the lbs will go back on....3
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Honsby, thanks for your reply and I can see why the recommendation of 1900 is irresponsible, however generally speaking the average person gaining on 1900 per day with exercise, would be a very rare situation.
haha 1900 for breakfast but if i am correct your goals are different from someone aiming to lose weight if I am not correct? Also if you do consume 1900 for breakfast then you must hit the gym for those calories not to turn into fat.
Also agree in essence with carbs and sugar, this point does agree with you its about over consuming.
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Over 80% of the people that lose weight gain it all (some gain even more) back within 5 years. No matter how the weight is lost, or how fast or slow the weight is lost. The fact is, to keep the weight off, you have to not revert back to eating more calories than you burn. Not many people succeed at this. Weight gain occurs when you over eat any food. There is no evil food.6
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Yeah sugar is not the devil. Some fast carbs after a workout can be helpful, and I've found simple sugars invaluable during long hikes. During my last hike I burned in the ballpark of 7,000 calories and at the end I barely could be bothered to eat a single small burger off the BBQ. Dextrose/Maltodextrin mix on every third summit was very beneficial. As was caffeine to maintain mental focus (so I can watch my foot placement)
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in terms of a dieters worst enemy i would say sugar is evil in terms of hindering (not stopping) weight loss.
I agree, however as with the calories and over consuming. Carbs and Sugar are energy sources, if we limit the amount of foods higher in energy then our bodies will use fat over glycogen as an energy. As we know thats all weight loss is, expending more than we consume.0 -
johnturnerbradley wrote: »Honsby, thanks for your reply and I can see why the recommendation of 1900 is irresponsible, however generally speaking the average person gaining on 1900 per day with exercise, would be a very rare situation.
haha 1900 for breakfast but if i am correct your goals are different from someone aiming to lose weight if I am not correct? Also if you do consume 1900 for breakfast then you must hit the gym for those calories not to turn into fat.
Also agree in essence with carbs and sugar, this point does agree with you its about over consuming.
Gaining isn't that rare on 1900 for older smaller women and even more importantly, 1900 is very low for most males who train and would create a very steep deficit. So yea, you should be losing weight.
Calories only turn to fat if there is a surplus.
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HikerEd, if your hiking and using 7000 calories then then of course you need to maintain energy levels. But if you were just to include Dextrose/Maltodextrin mix in your diet per day amongst everything else it would be far from ideal if you were not burning them. It would turn to fat.0
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johnturnerbradley wrote: »in terms of a dieters worst enemy i would say sugar is evil in terms of hindering (not stopping) weight loss.
I agree, however as with the calories and over consuming. Carbs and Sugar are energy sources, if we limit the amount of foods higher in energy then our bodies will use fat over glycogen as an energy. As we know thats all weight loss is, expending more than we consume.
Sugar may be a hinderance for some, but not all.
If we limit the foods with the highest energy, then we should eliminate fat as it is 9 calories per gram, versus carbs at 4 calories per gram. Sugar is the same as protein so your comment doesn't jive.
I eat 200 grams of sugar per day...I have done alright. How do you explain it?8 -
Hornsby is your aim fat loss?0
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I have just had a nose at your profile Hornsby and you went from 203 pounds to 173 pounds... Did you consume 1900 calories for breakfast then? Did you eat 200 grams of sugar per day?
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johnturnerbradley wrote: »in terms of a dieters worst enemy i would say sugar is evil in terms of hindering (not stopping) weight loss.
I agree, however as with the calories and over consuming. Carbs and Sugar are energy sources, if we limit the amount of foods higher in energy then our bodies will use fat over glycogen as an energy. As we know thats all weight loss is, expending more than we consume.
I don't know, I find sugar no better or worse than any other ingredient for dieting. Nuts, however... that can end up disastrously if I allow myself to lose control around them.
Just a note: sugar is not really that calorie dense on its own. It sometimes tends to be in calorie dense foods because those foods are also high in fat and/or low in moisture.5 -
AmusedMonk, thank you for your comment. Haha yeah nuts are good in proportion but they are way too modish sometimes.
But its above over consuming in any shape or form and this is to everyone. If we sat there eating 1000 apples per day we get fatter.0 -
johnturnerbradley wrote: »If we sat there eating 1000 apples per day we get fatter.
We'd die, not get fatter.
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johnturnerbradley wrote: »I have just had a nose at your profile Hornsby and you went from 203 pounds to 173 pounds... Did you consume 1900 calories for breakfast then? Did you eat 200 grams of sugar per day?
If not, why not?
No, I was not maintaining my weight then, I was losing weight. So I ate less everything to create a deficit. And to be clear the 1900 for breakfast comment was a tongue and cheek comment.
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I agree that many people have trigger foods (mine is chocolate) but many have taught themselves moderation and how to control the food. Some can not resist and overindulge. But it can be any food, not just sugary things. Each of us has our own of dealing with it. Never going near it or moderation. I do not agree that any food is evil. For me it is working so far, 2-1/2 years into maintenance of a 160 pound weight loss. I am happy, my family is happy, and my doctor is happy, so it works for me.3
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johnturnerbradley wrote: »HikerEd, if your hiking and using 7000 calories then then of course you need to maintain energy levels. But if you were just to include Dextrose/Maltodextrin mix in your diet per day amongst everything else it would be far from ideal if you were not burning them. It would turn to fat.
I would never use dextrose or maltodextrin in powdered form outside of a scenario like the above.
Think of all the wonderful things you could eat with the same macros :-)0 -
Just generally to anyone reading this post - yes if we over consume foods or have excess sugar or in fact combine high sugar foods with carbs and not burning them we will add fat we all know this but this was not that main point.
The main point was that soooooo many people have said they tried to lose weight and been on a diet or exercise regime for week, two weeks etc they have lost 4 pounds and 2 days later the weight is back on. Lots of people discount water weight as a reason to why they have regained the weight and many get disheartened.
I am sure there will be people who may not agree that instant weight gain is due to water. Try what I have mentioned regarding training and restricted diet, go back to the ''old'' way of life for another 3-4 days, see if the weight you lost has been put back on and then repeat the cardio and strict diet for 2 days and see if you have lost weight again.
Being an ex-boxer getting 'dry' to make weight was common and still is today. Water weight can play havoc with the scales and just because you may of regained 3-4 lbs in a short space of time do not get disheartened get back on the running machine and see if the weight goes again.
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »johnturnerbradley wrote: »If we sat there eating 1000 apples per day we get fatter.
We'd die, not get fatter.
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So basically what you are saying is that some weight gain immediately after a dieting phase and weight loss is not necessarily fat irrespective of the dieting method and therefore not to be worried about so chill out?0
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