FDA approves weight loss stomach pump device
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It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!3 -
skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!
Customers for life.4 -
skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!
Given the number of people that fail at every other method of weight loss, would this be a horrible thing?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!
Given the number of people that fail at every other method of weight loss, would this be a horrible thing?
A lifetime of medically assisted binge/purging? Sure could.1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!
Given the number of people that fail at every other method of weight loss, would this be a horrible thing?
A lifetime of medically assisted binge/purging? Sure could.
If it got them to a healthy weight and kept them there would it be an inherently horrible thing?2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!
Given the number of people that fail at every other method of weight loss, would this be a horrible thing?
I'm not sure. I'm not educated on the cost of this device verses the cost of other treatments verses the cost of obesity. I don't mean to sound callous, but you can bet big pharma is doing this math when they explore options.3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!
Given the number of people that fail at every other method of weight loss, would this be a horrible thing?
A lifetime of medically assisted binge/purging? Sure could.
If it got them to a healthy weight and kept them there would it be an inherently horrible thing?
Would it get them there healthy?0 -
I don't remember seeing it anywhere - is there a cutoff BMI for when you could no longer use the device? If you have to be 35+ to have it installed, would it be mandatory to take it out at, say, a BMI of 30?0
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suzyjane1972 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!
Given the number of people that fail at every other method of weight loss, would this be a horrible thing?
A lifetime of medically assisted binge/purging? Sure could.
If it got them to a healthy weight and kept them there would it be an inherently horrible thing?
Would it get them there healthy?
Is there reason to believe it couldn't?0 -
suzyjane1972 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!
Given the number of people that fail at every other method of weight loss, would this be a horrible thing?
A lifetime of medically assisted binge/purging? Sure could.
If it got them to a healthy weight and kept them there would it be an inherently horrible thing?
Would it get them there healthy?
Well it depends on what they are eating overall and what gets purged as it can cause malnutrition and deficiencies.1 -
I watched some show where an interviewer was talking to a man that had one of these. The man demonstrated how it worked. It was *baby rhino* gross.1
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That article sounds like they are describing a machine assisted bulimic device
If people are resorting to this...I feel very bad for them
food addiction is real 4 -
JanetYellen wrote: »Horrible. Would teach nothing about eating less or nutrition.skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing.
Do you refuse to wear a seatbelt or a bike helmet because a they don't teach you how not to run into things? Do you tell people not to use bandaids because they don't teach you how not to cut yourself?2 -
This is so sad. I think if people are lured in by this kind of wild, quick-fix "solution" they should be required by any responsible medical body to seek psychiatric help first to address their food psych issues. All too often we stray away from the hard work, both mental and physical, when it is all we need to set us free 0
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NorthCascades wrote: »JanetYellen wrote: »Horrible. Would teach nothing about eating less or nutrition.skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing.
Do you refuse to wear a seatbelt or a bike helmet because a they don't teach you how not to run into things? Do you tell people not to use bandaids because they don't teach you how not to cut yourself?
That is a horrible analogy. It isn't like people are accidentally ingesting large amounts of food.
"I don't know how it happened, but that whole darn cake just flew into my mouth and I swallowed it by mistake" would be a good analogy to using this device in the same way we use seatbelts and bike helmets
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Seems like it would be pretty easy to keep gaining weight even while using this device--you only lose 30%, and so little incentive to feel any amount of hunger (physical or emotional) if you depend on the device to take care of it for you. If it's a mental issue, you have to fix that or no (voluntary) physical aid is going to really work.
BMI of 35 is pretty darn low to be using something like this...that level should be able to get down near normal weight in a year and they are not likely to be suffering from immediately life-threatening consequences.3 -
I have not been afflicted with a binge disease, or obesity or bulemia, I've never purged.
I just want to quote that old addage here though:
Don't condemn someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes.
Most of us, if we had them, would welcome anything that could intercept the diseases I mentioned above.
If you still condemn and criticize, try to walk two miles in their shoes.
Then come back and tell us how that went and did you learn any compassion? Did you learn about the mind, the inner struggles of the people you think you can speak for?
No one is condemning anyone. We're condemning the process of medically supervised bulimia.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing. From the website: Many patients choose to keep the AspireAssist in place to ensure that they maintain their weight loss...if the AspireAssist is needed to maintain weight loss, it is likely weight regain will occur if therapy is stopped.
It works perfectly!!!
Given the number of people that fail at every other method of weight loss, would this be a horrible thing?
A lifetime of medically assisted binge/purging? Sure could.
If it got them to a healthy weight and kept them there would it be an inherently horrible thing?
Considering the risk for nutrient deficiency it absolutely could.2 -
NorthCascades wrote: »JanetYellen wrote: »Horrible. Would teach nothing about eating less or nutrition.skinnyforhi wrote: »It does exactly what it's supposed to do by teaching the patient nothing.
Do you refuse to wear a seatbelt or a bike helmet because a they don't teach you how not to run into things? Do you tell people not to use bandaids because they don't teach you how not to cut yourself?
Do you run into things on purpose because you have a seatbelt?
Do you deliberately accept blows to the head because you have a helmet?6 -
I'm on the fence.
On one hand, I agree with the general sentiment that this seems extreme.
On the other hand, the evidence that losing weight and keeping it off is far more difficult and complicated than "just stay out of the drive thru" grows and grows seemingly every day. There's evidence that resting metabolic rates can start much lower than expected for the obese and drop precipitously during/after weight loss (far beyond what can simply be attributed to the reduction in mass) and often barely recover, if at all. There's evidence that hormones controlling hunger can start somewhat out of whack for the obese and go completely out of whack during/after weight loss. For those not dealing with those issues, it can be really hard to understand what it's like to have a TDEE that leaves you rapidly gaining weight while eating what both conventional science and the general public would consider a very reasonable amount of calories per day all while your body is telling you to eat more and more and more than that, and really easy to look at a procedure like this and think "how can someone do this to themselves? just eat less!"
Of course there are many behavioral therapies and approaches to diet and exercise that can counteract these issues to a degree, but they still take incredible, sometimes super-human amounts of dedication and effort and motivation and self-deprivation that some people just aren't capable of, even when their lives are literally on the line. That doesn't make them bad people, it just is what it is. Obviously not everyone who is overweight or obese deals with stuff like this, and many people have success in losing weight (though far fewer in keeping it off long-term) without medical interventions. For those than cannot, though, this is just another tool in the toolbox of what should hopefully be last resorts.2
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