Good vs bad CICO
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Not all calories are created equal. Sorry. Your body uses chemistry to break down foods and it treats different nutrients differently. CICO is a great way to start losing weight. But listen to your body. When you eat junk calories then you feel like crap because your body is being deprived of nutrients. Will you lose some weight? If you keep with the CICO equation, sure thing. However, good luck maintaining that in the long run. Learning to eat good whole foods and nourish your body properly will give you the best results in the long run. You still need to pay attention to portion control, but it is much easier because eating nutrient dense foods fills you up much easier and doesn't leave you craving more. Listen to your body and enjoy the journey. Educate yourself and you will have success for years to come.
I never understand how some associate CICO with lack of nutrition...
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NorthCascades wrote: »jenniswylie wrote: »I want to believe Calorie in Calorie out is "how to lose weight" - but I have a hard time grasping that 200 calories of delicious donut is burned off as easily as 200 calories of chicken breast, or I don't know... watermelon etc.
Did you know that you can buy chicken and watermelon with money you earned at work, but you can buy it just as easily with money you stole? For weight loss purposes, the source of the calories doesn't matter; for buying stuff purposes, the source of the money doesn't matter. For other purposes, these things are important.
That's a great analogy. You can "afford" it, but is it the right choice for the person you are trying to become, whether morality wise (money) or fitness wise (nutrition).1 -
mochachichi wrote: »Hey @stevencloser Don't quote "metabolic damage" as attributable to me having said that or even the article saying that. The article states that very few people have metabolic damage...that's not what the article is about (if it's confusing then blame the great people at Precision Nutrition for naming their article that) I'm merely stating my beliefs based on my studies and the weight loss clients I work with as well as the back up from Precision Nutrition.
I respect your side of the argument but still disagree with it. I never claimed CICO wasn't a real thing...in fact its the law of thermodynamics (and not a man made law that can be broken...it's a cosmic universal law that binds us all!!) I stated that in my original post. My point is if you ever worked with weight loss clients then you KNOW it's not that simple. There are a thousand factors at play and to tell someone that is struggling with weight loss that it's "simple" only makes someone feel like there is something wrong with them. If weight loss were simple, there would be nobody on these boards asking for advice or support. And the thing about science is that everything we know today, will be wrong tomorrow.
We know that dinosaurs died out long before humans came along, humans and dinosaurs have never co-existed.
We'll still know that tomorrow.
I think airplanes and x-rays will work tomorrow too. And digital cameras, which could only work if the science of light behaving as a particle but also as a wave is right. I feel like if we can work that stuff out, broccoli is easy peasy.
I think some people have an incentive to make everyone think weight loss is very hard when it isn't. Who would buy products and pay for coaches if they believed all they had to do was mind their diet?5 -
Not all calories are created equal. Sorry. Your body uses chemistry to break down foods and it treats different nutrients differently. CICO is a great way to start losing weight. But listen to your body. When you eat junk calories then you feel like crap because your body is being deprived of nutrients. Will you lose some weight? If you keep with the CICO equation, sure thing. However, good luck maintaining that in the long run. Learning to eat good whole foods and nourish your body properly will give you the best results in the long run. You still need to pay attention to portion control, but it is much easier because eating nutrient dense foods fills you up much easier and doesn't leave you craving more. Listen to your body and enjoy the journey. Educate yourself and you will have success for years to come.
I never understand how some associate CICO with lack of nutrition...
Because CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count. A lot of people have simply ditched CICO, instead eating nutrient dense, whole foods (especially with low carbohydrate content) and have lost weight effortlessly without all the math and starvation involved.
@jenniswylie If you're interested in learning more, check out www.dietdoctor.com They are ad free with no industry sponsors, superb evidence-based nutrition from a collaboration of many different doctors and clinicians who know what works based on both theory and personal practice.0 -
Not all calories are created equal. Sorry. Your body uses chemistry to break down foods and it treats different nutrients differently. CICO is a great way to start losing weight. But listen to your body. When you eat junk calories then you feel like crap because your body is being deprived of nutrients. Will you lose some weight? If you keep with the CICO equation, sure thing. However, good luck maintaining that in the long run. Learning to eat good whole foods and nourish your body properly will give you the best results in the long run. You still need to pay attention to portion control, but it is much easier because eating nutrient dense foods fills you up much easier and doesn't leave you craving more. Listen to your body and enjoy the journey. Educate yourself and you will have success for years to come.
I never understand how some associate CICO with lack of nutrition...
Because CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count. A lot of people have simply ditched CICO, instead eating nutrient dense, whole foods (especially with low carbohydrate content) and have lost weight effortlessly without all the math and starvation involved.
@jenniswylie If you're interested in learning more, check out www.dietdoctor.com They are ad free with no industry sponsors, superb evidence-based nutrition from a collaboration of many different doctors and clinicians who know what works based on both theory and personal practice.
You continue to operate under the misconception that "CICO" means you are hungry and eating crap. It doesn't.11 -
Not all calories are created equal. Sorry. Your body uses chemistry to break down foods and it treats different nutrients differently. CICO is a great way to start losing weight. But listen to your body. When you eat junk calories then you feel like crap because your body is being deprived of nutrients. Will you lose some weight? If you keep with the CICO equation, sure thing. However, good luck maintaining that in the long run. Learning to eat good whole foods and nourish your body properly will give you the best results in the long run. You still need to pay attention to portion control, but it is much easier because eating nutrient dense foods fills you up much easier and doesn't leave you craving more. Listen to your body and enjoy the journey. Educate yourself and you will have success for years to come.
I never understand how some associate CICO with lack of nutrition...
Because CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count. A lot of people have simply ditched CICO, instead eating nutrient dense, whole foods (especially with low carbohydrate content) and have lost weight effortlessly without all the math and starvation involved.
@jenniswylie If you're interested in learning more, check out www.dietdoctor.com They are ad free with no industry sponsors, superb evidence-based nutrition from a collaboration of many different doctors and clinicians who know what works based on both theory and personal practice.
You still have no idea what CICO is really about. You continue to believe that it's entirely separate from and opposed to a healthful diet.10 -
Not all calories are created equal. Sorry. Your body uses chemistry to break down foods and it treats different nutrients differently. CICO is a great way to start losing weight. But listen to your body. When you eat junk calories then you feel like crap because your body is being deprived of nutrients. Will you lose some weight? If you keep with the CICO equation, sure thing. However, good luck maintaining that in the long run. Learning to eat good whole foods and nourish your body properly will give you the best results in the long run. You still need to pay attention to portion control, but it is much easier because eating nutrient dense foods fills you up much easier and doesn't leave you craving more. Listen to your body and enjoy the journey. Educate yourself and you will have success for years to come.
I never understand how some associate CICO with lack of nutrition...
Because CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count. A lot of people have simply ditched CICO, instead eating nutrient dense, whole foods (especially with low carbohydrate content) and have lost weight effortlessly without all the math and starvation involved.
@jenniswylie If you're interested in learning more, check out www.dietdoctor.com They are ad free with no industry sponsors, superb evidence-based nutrition from a collaboration of many different doctors and clinicians who know what works based on both theory and personal practice.
You do realize that people can use calorie counting to manage their weight while eating whole foods and/or low carbohydrate diets, right? Lots of people here do that. You don't have to choose between counting calories and being properly nourished.
And starvation? Nobody here is advocating for that.6 -
Not all calories are created equal. Sorry. Your body uses chemistry to break down foods and it treats different nutrients differently. CICO is a great way to start losing weight. But listen to your body. When you eat junk calories then you feel like crap because your body is being deprived of nutrients. Will you lose some weight? If you keep with the CICO equation, sure thing. However, good luck maintaining that in the long run. Learning to eat good whole foods and nourish your body properly will give you the best results in the long run. You still need to pay attention to portion control, but it is much easier because eating nutrient dense foods fills you up much easier and doesn't leave you craving more. Listen to your body and enjoy the journey. Educate yourself and you will have success for years to come.
I never understand how some associate CICO with lack of nutrition...
I think some people believe that, if left to their own devices--in the absence of a rigid dietary plan--most people following CICO will behave like children and fill up on cookies and junk food as long as they stay within their calorie goals. That's why we always hear strawmen about Twinkies vs. broccoli or chicken breast.1 -
I'll just point back to my first statement: CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count.
CICO puts the focus on calories. Not all calories are created equal. Not all fats are created equal. Not all carbs are created equal. Not all proteins are created equal. That's just a reality. Also, if CICO was 100% necessary, then people couldn't lose weight without it. And yet, many people do. They simply eat in a way that promotes being satisfied and losing weight.
That being said, counting calories can be a good tool for understanding your macro breakdown, but it is definitely not going to work if your focus in on calories and not quality of food.0 -
Not all calories are created equal. Sorry. Your body uses chemistry to break down foods and it treats different nutrients differently. CICO is a great way to start losing weight. But listen to your body. When you eat junk calories then you feel like crap because your body is being deprived of nutrients. Will you lose some weight? If you keep with the CICO equation, sure thing. However, good luck maintaining that in the long run. Learning to eat good whole foods and nourish your body properly will give you the best results in the long run. You still need to pay attention to portion control, but it is much easier because eating nutrient dense foods fills you up much easier and doesn't leave you craving more. Listen to your body and enjoy the journey. Educate yourself and you will have success for years to come.
I never understand how some associate CICO with lack of nutrition...
Because CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count. A lot of people have simply ditched CICO, instead eating nutrient dense, whole foods (especially with low carbohydrate content) and have lost weight effortlessly without all the math and starvation involved.
@jenniswylie If you're interested in learning more, check out www.dietdoctor.com They are ad free with no industry sponsors, superb evidence-based nutrition from a collaboration of many different doctors and clinicians who know what works based on both theory and personal practice.
You continue to operate under the misconception that "CICO" means you are hungry and eating crap. It doesn't.
Not to mention that CICO isn't a way of eating. It's an energy balance and no matter what types of food you eat (whole foods, partial foods, clean foods, dirty foods) everyone who is losing weight is in a calorie deficit, their CI<CO.5 -
I'll just point back to my first statement: CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count.
CICO puts the focus on calories. Not all calories are created equal. Not all fats are created equal. Not all carbs are created equal. Not all proteins are created equal. That's just a reality. Also, if CICO was 100% necessary, then people couldn't lose weight without it. And yet, many people do. They simply eat in a way that promotes being satisfied and losing weight.
That being said, counting calories can be a good tool for understanding your macro breakdown, but it is definitely not going to work if your focus in on calories and not quality of food.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about, there it is.
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I'll just point back to my first statement: CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count.
CICO puts the focus on calories. Not all calories are created equal. Not all fats are created equal. Not all carbs are created equal. Not all proteins are created equal. That's just a reality. Also, if CICO was 100% necessary, then people couldn't lose weight without it. And yet, many people do. They simply eat in a way that promotes being satisfied and losing weight.
That being said, counting calories can be a good tool for understanding your macro breakdown, but it is definitely not going to work if your focus in on calories and not quality of food.
Once again, CICO =/= counting calories. Counting is just a tool. The ONLY time anyone loses weight is when CI<CO, no matter how that's achieved.
And of course nutrition/hormonal effects of foods matter. No one says they don't, but you keep posting as if they do.2 -
I'll just point back to my first statement: CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count.
CICO puts the focus on calories. Not all calories are created equal. Not all fats are created equal. Not all carbs are created equal. Not all proteins are created equal. That's just a reality. Also, if CICO was 100% necessary, then people couldn't lose weight without it. And yet, many people do. They simply eat in a way that promotes being satisfied and losing weight.
That being said, counting calories can be a good tool for understanding your macro breakdown, but it is definitely not going to work if your focus in on calories and not quality of food.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about, there it is.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever about what I'm talking about, so there it is.0 -
Not all calories are created equal. Sorry. Your body uses chemistry to break down foods and it treats different nutrients differently. CICO is a great way to start losing weight. But listen to your body. When you eat junk calories then you feel like crap because your body is being deprived of nutrients. Will you lose some weight? If you keep with the CICO equation, sure thing. However, good luck maintaining that in the long run. Learning to eat good whole foods and nourish your body properly will give you the best results in the long run. You still need to pay attention to portion control, but it is much easier because eating nutrient dense foods fills you up much easier and doesn't leave you craving more. Listen to your body and enjoy the journey. Educate yourself and you will have success for years to come.
I never understand how some associate CICO with lack of nutrition...
I can understand the people that can't initially grasp an abstract scientific concept--classrooms everywhere are full of them. But it takes a terrier-esque level of deliberate, aggressive, willful denseness not to understand it, when it's been explained numerous times.11 -
I'll just point back to my first statement: CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count.
CICO puts the focus on calories. Not all calories are created equal. Not all fats are created equal. Not all carbs are created equal. Not all proteins are created equal. That's just a reality. Also, if CICO was 100% necessary, then people couldn't lose weight without it. And yet, many people do. They simply eat in a way that promotes being satisfied and losing weight.
That being said, counting calories can be a good tool for understanding your macro breakdown, but it is definitely not going to work if your focus in on calories and not quality of food.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about, there it is.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever about what I'm talking about, so there it is.
None of do, so there!7 -
CrabNebula wrote: »
Actually TH's Boston Cream and Canadian Maple are really good. Some of my favorite donuts. Top Pot and Frost are great local donut companies, but the calories in their donuts are literally triple and not out of this world so much better to justify those calories. I'd rather have a small good whole donut then have to cut a slightly better one into thirds and pretend I could be as satisfied with that as with a whole donut. It is psychology.
A calorie is a calorie, but specific dynamic action is a thing too. It takes more energy for your body to process proteins as opposed to fats. You can lose up to 1 calorie in every gram of protein you eat just digesting it. So, in theory, you could eat 100g of protein and it would cost 100 cals to digest it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_dynamic_action
It's true, Tim Horton's doughnuts, for what they are and the calories they have, are pretty good
A little less fluffy and a little smaller than specialty doughnut shops, but it works for me! They're what I was raised on and I didn't have to cut them out haha. 0 -
I'll just point back to my first statement: CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count.
CICO puts the focus on calories. Not all calories are created equal. Not all fats are created equal. Not all carbs are created equal. Not all proteins are created equal. That's just a reality. Also, if CICO was 100% necessary, then people couldn't lose weight without it. And yet, many people do. They simply eat in a way that promotes being satisfied and losing weight.
That being said, counting calories can be a good tool for understanding your macro breakdown, but it is definitely not going to work if your focus in on calories and not quality of food.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about, there it is.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever about what I'm talking about, so there it is.
No it's you who has no clue.1 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I'll just point back to my first statement: CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count.
CICO puts the focus on calories. Not all calories are created equal. Not all fats are created equal. Not all carbs are created equal. Not all proteins are created equal. That's just a reality. Also, if CICO was 100% necessary, then people couldn't lose weight without it. And yet, many people do. They simply eat in a way that promotes being satisfied and losing weight.
That being said, counting calories can be a good tool for understanding your macro breakdown, but it is definitely not going to work if your focus in on calories and not quality of food.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about, there it is.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever about what I'm talking about, so there it is.
None of do, so there!
You've made up your mind. You have your paradigm. It's overly simplistic and unhelpful. I'm not sure why you constantly knock down people who say anything else. Share your simplistic advice and move on. It's same advice people hear everywhere, even from Coca Cola advertisements, no less. There's no depth to it. Why hate on people who share anything more detailed about nutrition?0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I'll just point back to my first statement: CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count.
CICO puts the focus on calories. Not all calories are created equal. Not all fats are created equal. Not all carbs are created equal. Not all proteins are created equal. That's just a reality. Also, if CICO was 100% necessary, then people couldn't lose weight without it. And yet, many people do. They simply eat in a way that promotes being satisfied and losing weight.
That being said, counting calories can be a good tool for understanding your macro breakdown, but it is definitely not going to work if your focus in on calories and not quality of food.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about, there it is.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever about what I'm talking about, so there it is.
None of do, so there!
You've made up your mind. You have your paradigm. It's overly simplistic and unhelpful. I'm not sure why you constantly knock down people who say anything else. Share your simplistic advice and move on. It's same advice people hear everywhere, even from Coca Cola advertisements, no less. There's no depth to it. Why hate on people who share anything more detailed about nutrition?
What are you talking about? Your posts are like a drumbeat, you keep repeating the same thing over and over again but it is still wrong. The only diet one needs to follow is the one that can adhere to for the rest of one's life. Macros are personal.6 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I'll just point back to my first statement: CICO ignores the hormonal effects of foods, which actually matters way more than their calorie count.
CICO puts the focus on calories. Not all calories are created equal. Not all fats are created equal. Not all carbs are created equal. Not all proteins are created equal. That's just a reality. Also, if CICO was 100% necessary, then people couldn't lose weight without it. And yet, many people do. They simply eat in a way that promotes being satisfied and losing weight.
That being said, counting calories can be a good tool for understanding your macro breakdown, but it is definitely not going to work if your focus in on calories and not quality of food.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about, there it is.
As if it wasn't glaringly obvious that you have no clue whatsoever about what I'm talking about, so there it is.
None of do, so there!
You've made up your mind. You have your paradigm. It's overly simplistic and unhelpful. I'm not sure why you constantly knock down people who say anything else. Share your simplistic advice and move on. It's same advice people hear everywhere, even from Coca Cola advertisements, no less. There's no depth to it. Why hate on people who share anything more detailed about nutrition?
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