The "complete protein" myth
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The only myth is that all the essential amino acids must be consumed in the same meal. The "article" even (very discreetly) admits this.
The concept that most plants are deficient in one or more of the essential amino acids (and the accompanying assertion that those amino acids must then be obtained from other sources, whether meat or other plants) remains an unquestionable fact.
Any claims to the contrary are not only propoganda, but a disservice to those who follow a plant based diet.
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To be fair, many people seem to confuse "deficient" with "absent altogether." Deficient merely means that the amino acid in question is low in proportion to other aminos, thus limiting the body's ability to construct complete proteins solely from that particular protein source. The body can still construct some complete proteins from that source if an amino acid is "deficient" as opposed to "absent," and the amount of complete proteins it could construct from that source would increase if one ate more of that particular food. However, personally, I don't want to have to eat 1300 calories of pinto beans to hit my complete protein goal for the day.
It's certainly easier to obtain all the essential amino acids in sufficient amounts if you mix up your protein sources. Plus, why limit yourself to one type of protein source? Barring allergies and other medical conditions, vegans have a variety of protein sources available -- legumes, nuts, seeds, grains -- and it certainly makes for a more interesting and varied diet if you include them all.
Even beef is "deficient" when compared to eggs. Better throw some edamame into your day if you don't want some of those beef aminos to go to waste from tryptophan deficiency.2 -
Even when it was thought you had to serve complementary proteins at the same meal, it was never a big issue, as a lot of the complementary proteins are things you would usually serve together - pulses with grains, dairy with grains - so it tends to happen automatically. The fact that most plant proteins are incomplete is undeniably true, but was never as big a nutritional problem as it was made out to be. A varied, balanced diet takes care of it.1
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"Variety is the spice of life" ... 'don't remember who said this'1
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I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.1
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JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
Since I aim for 100 grams of protein every day, meat is high in fat, and fish is expensive, I like some of my protein to come from vegetable sources.0 -
lithezebra wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
Since I aim for 100 grams of protein every day, meat is high in fat, and fish is expensive, I like some of my protein to come from vegetable sources.
There is plenty of meat that is not high in fat...2 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
I'm not sure what someone consuming meat all their lives with veganism as an ethical position. Are you saying that vegans cannot also live to be centenarians or that they're less likely to do so?0 -
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cwolfman13 wrote: »lithezebra wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
Since I aim for 100 grams of protein every day, meat is high in fat, and fish is expensive, I like some of my protein to come from vegetable sources.
There is plenty of meat that is not high in fat...
I should have specified meat that tastes good is often high in fat. There's always chicken breast or 99% lean ground turkey - yuck. So I get maybe a third of my protein from vegetable sources, for variety, and to have more of my fats be monounsaturated.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »The only myth is that all the essential amino acids must be consumed in the same meal. The "article" even (very discreetly) admits this.
The concept that most plants are deficient in one or more of the essential amino acids (and the accompanying assertion that those amino acids must then be obtained from other sources, whether meat or other plants) remains an unquestionable fact.
Any claims to the contrary are not only propoganda, but a disservice to those who follow a plant based diet.
So true.
(P.S. Forks over Knives is more of a mockumentary than a documentary. Some of the science is wonky and has been disproven.)1 -
lithezebra wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »lithezebra wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
Since I aim for 100 grams of protein every day, meat is high in fat, and fish is expensive, I like some of my protein to come from vegetable sources.
There is plenty of meat that is not high in fat...
I should have specified meat that tastes good is often high in fat. There's always chicken breast or 99% lean ground turkey - yuck. So I get maybe a third of my protein from vegetable sources, for variety, and to have more of my fats be monounsaturated.
There's lean cuts of pork and beef.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
I'm not sure what someone consuming meat all their lives with veganism as an ethical position. Are you saying that vegans cannot also live to be centenarians or that they're less likely to do so?
The point seems clear to me. Veganism as the only way to be healthy and live long is, according to that poster, is like a religion. This has nothing to do with those who eat vegan for ethical reasons, nor is there an implied or outright claim that eating vegan will not result in some people living to be centenarians. That is simply putting words in the post that are not there.1 -
geneticsteacher wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »The only myth is that all the essential amino acids must be consumed in the same meal. The "article" even (very discreetly) admits this.
The concept that most plants are deficient in one or more of the essential amino acids (and the accompanying assertion that those amino acids must then be obtained from other sources, whether meat or other plants) remains an unquestionable fact.
Any claims to the contrary are not only propoganda, but a disservice to those who follow a plant based diet.
So true.
(P.S. Forks over Knives is more of a mockumentary than a documentary. Some of the science is wonky and has been disproven.)
http://anthonycolpo.com/forks-over-knives-the-latest-vegan-nonsense-dissected-debunked-and-destroyed/2 -
lithezebra wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »lithezebra wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
Since I aim for 100 grams of protein every day, meat is high in fat, and fish is expensive, I like some of my protein to come from vegetable sources.
There is plenty of meat that is not high in fat...
I should have specified meat that tastes good is often high in fat. There's always chicken breast or 99% lean ground turkey - yuck. So I get maybe a third of my protein from vegetable sources, for variety, and to have more of my fats be monounsaturated.
You don't know how to cook chicken to your taste if you say yuck.3 -
lithezebra wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »lithezebra wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
Since I aim for 100 grams of protein every day, meat is high in fat, and fish is expensive, I like some of my protein to come from vegetable sources.
There is plenty of meat that is not high in fat...
I should have specified meat that tastes good is often high in fat. There's always chicken breast or 99% lean ground turkey - yuck. So I get maybe a third of my protein from vegetable sources, for variety, and to have more of my fats be monounsaturated.
If chicken is "yuck" then you're doing it wrong. You just eating it plain and dry?
Also, pork loin is both lean and delicious.1 -
rileysowner wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
I'm not sure what someone consuming meat all their lives with veganism as an ethical position. Are you saying that vegans cannot also live to be centenarians or that they're less likely to do so?
The point seems clear to me. Veganism as the only way to be healthy and live long is, according to that poster, is like a religion. This has nothing to do with those who eat vegan for ethical reasons, nor is there an implied or outright claim that eating vegan will not result in some people living to be centenarians. That is simply putting words in the post that are not there.
It wasn't clear to me -- that is why I asked. The statement seemed to lump veganism (an ethical position) in with the health claims made by those advocating for plant-based diets. I don't know what someone means when they claim veganism is a religion. I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth -- that's why I asked the question.0 -
From all I've read as long as you eat a variety of foods during the day then it's fine. The old myth was that you had to combined proteins at each meal.0
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janejellyroll wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
I'm not sure what someone consuming meat all their lives with veganism as an ethical position. Are you saying that vegans cannot also live to be centenarians or that they're less likely to do so?
That's why he said "beyond it's value as a religion.." Meaning it is not important from a health standpoint one way or the other.0 -
extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
I'm not sure what someone consuming meat all their lives with veganism as an ethical position. Are you saying that vegans cannot also live to be centenarians or that they're less likely to do so?
That's why he said "beyond it's value as a religion.." Meaning it is not important from a health standpoint one way or the other.
It isn't a religion. That's the part of the statement that was confusing to me. Are you meaning that it isn't important beyond it's value as an ethical position?
If so, I'm not sure what that has to do with a discussion where nobody had made specific health claims in favor of a plant-based diet (beyond a link to an article about how the conventional understanding of "complete proteins" isn't necessary for the health of those on a plant-based diet).0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
I'm not sure what someone consuming meat all their lives with veganism as an ethical position. Are you saying that vegans cannot also live to be centenarians or that they're less likely to do so?
That's why he said "beyond it's value as a religion.." Meaning it is not important from a health standpoint one way or the other.
It isn't a religion. That's the part of the statement that was confusing to me. Are you meaning that it isn't important beyond it's value as an ethical position?
If so, I'm not sure what that has to do with a discussion where nobody had made specific health claims in favor of a plant-based diet (beyond a link to an article about how the conventional understanding of "complete proteins" isn't necessary for the health of those on a plant-based diet).
Actually, a couple of court cases have upheld ethical veganism as a religion under title 7 of the Civil Rights act of '64.
While that's not necessarily going to be the case all over, it has been set as a precedent at this time and will most likely end up being officially recognized as a "religion" so far as the ACLU is concerned.
Not really sure how I feel about that. Personally, my feelings are mixed for a lot of reasons.0 -
BecomingBane wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
I'm not sure what someone consuming meat all their lives with veganism as an ethical position. Are you saying that vegans cannot also live to be centenarians or that they're less likely to do so?
That's why he said "beyond it's value as a religion.." Meaning it is not important from a health standpoint one way or the other.
It isn't a religion. That's the part of the statement that was confusing to me. Are you meaning that it isn't important beyond it's value as an ethical position?
If so, I'm not sure what that has to do with a discussion where nobody had made specific health claims in favor of a plant-based diet (beyond a link to an article about how the conventional understanding of "complete proteins" isn't necessary for the health of those on a plant-based diet).
Actually, a couple of court cases have upheld ethical veganism as a religion under title 7 of the Civil Rights act of '64.
While that's not necessarily going to be the case all over, it has been set as a precedent at this time and will most likely end up being officially recognized as a "religion" so far as the ACLU is concerned.
Not really sure how I feel about that. Personally, my feelings are mixed for a lot of reasons.
I was totally unaware of that.
I'm not completely thrilled about that, tbh.0 -
The USDA recommends less protein then you think for your RDA, women = 46g and men = 56g (age group 19 - 50). That is completely possible on a plant based diet. If you are working out, then there are lots of suggestions on extra protein a day for plant based diets (one is No Meat Athlete, which is not vegan but some of his ideas will work)
Nutritional Goals for Age-Sex Groups Based on Dietary Reference Intakes and Dietary Guidelines Recommendations
http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/appendix-7/0 -
The USDA recommends less protein then you think for your RDA, women = 46g and men = 56g (age group 19 - 50). That is completely possible on a plant based diet. If you are working out, then there are lots of suggestions on extra protein a day for plant based diets (one is No Meat Athlete, which is not vegan but some of his ideas will work)
Nutritional Goals for Age-Sex Groups Based on Dietary Reference Intakes and Dietary Guidelines Recommendations
http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/appendix-7/
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/37031298#Comment_37031298
go back here and read the studies...smh0 -
The USDA recommends less protein then you think for your RDA, women = 46g and men = 56g (age group 19 - 50). That is completely possible on a plant based diet. If you are working out, then there are lots of suggestions on extra protein a day for plant based diets (one is No Meat Athlete, which is not vegan but some of his ideas will work)
Nutritional Goals for Age-Sex Groups Based on Dietary Reference Intakes and Dietary Guidelines Recommendations
http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/appendix-7/
Talking about *how many* grams of protein is a bit of a detour from the topic, which is the different amino acids humans need to meet their protein requirements.0 -
... I kind of want to go search what those cases were and look at the briefs to see what definition of "religion" they were using to determine that. Perhaps the base worldview from an ethical line of philosophy?
I've been a vegan over a decade now, and I don't know how I feel about it being called a religion when my atheism is wildly separate from my veganism...
I think people miss the fact that one may be healthy, a lifter, an athlete as a vegan just as one may be healthy, a lifter, an athlete as an omni. One needn't be better from a nutritional standpoint, since veganism has nothing to do with health (of humans).BecomingBane wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
I'm not sure what someone consuming meat all their lives with veganism as an ethical position. Are you saying that vegans cannot also live to be centenarians or that they're less likely to do so?
That's why he said "beyond it's value as a religion.." Meaning it is not important from a health standpoint one way or the other.
It isn't a religion. That's the part of the statement that was confusing to me. Are you meaning that it isn't important beyond it's value as an ethical position?
If so, I'm not sure what that has to do with a discussion where nobody had made specific health claims in favor of a plant-based diet (beyond a link to an article about how the conventional understanding of "complete proteins" isn't necessary for the health of those on a plant-based diet).
Actually, a couple of court cases have upheld ethical veganism as a religion under title 7 of the Civil Rights act of '64.
While that's not necessarily going to be the case all over, it has been set as a precedent at this time and will most likely end up being officially recognized as a "religion" so far as the ACLU is concerned.
Not really sure how I feel about that. Personally, my feelings are mixed for a lot of reasons.
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Oh... saw forks over knives and thought that was the, "How much" article and not the "complete protein" article.
@SezxyStef what studies? Is it, we don't know anything about food study that changes every 20 years? Anyway, I like the RDA, it's about 10 % protein from calories, so I'm ok with it. The RDA actually surprised me because it goes along with alot of research I've been reading about protein.0 -
... I kind of want to go search what those cases were and look at the briefs to see what definition of "religion" they were using to determine that. Perhaps the base worldview from an ethical line of philosophy?
I've been a vegan over a decade now, and I don't know how I feel about it being called a religion when my atheism is wildly separate from my veganism...
I think people miss the fact that one may be healthy, a lifter, an athlete as a vegan just as one may be healthy, a lifter, an athlete as an omni. One needn't be better from a nutritional standpoint, since veganism has nothing to do with health (of humans).BecomingBane wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »I know too many centenarians who consumed meat all their lives to think that veganism matters beyond it's value as a religion.
I'm not sure what someone consuming meat all their lives with veganism as an ethical position. Are you saying that vegans cannot also live to be centenarians or that they're less likely to do so?
That's why he said "beyond it's value as a religion.." Meaning it is not important from a health standpoint one way or the other.
It isn't a religion. That's the part of the statement that was confusing to me. Are you meaning that it isn't important beyond it's value as an ethical position?
If so, I'm not sure what that has to do with a discussion where nobody had made specific health claims in favor of a plant-based diet (beyond a link to an article about how the conventional understanding of "complete proteins" isn't necessary for the health of those on a plant-based diet).
Actually, a couple of court cases have upheld ethical veganism as a religion under title 7 of the Civil Rights act of '64.
While that's not necessarily going to be the case all over, it has been set as a precedent at this time and will most likely end up being officially recognized as a "religion" so far as the ACLU is concerned.
Not really sure how I feel about that. Personally, my feelings are mixed for a lot of reasons.
I'm pretty sure they were related to workplace discrimination... but don't quote me on that. I believe the first I read about was in 2013 so I don't rightly recall any details regarding that. If you find them, though, I'd be interested in the read as well if you don't mind sharing the info.1 -
Oh... saw forks over knives and thought that was the, "How much" article and not the "complete protein" article.
@SezxyStef what studies? Is it, we don't know anything about food study that changes every 20 years? Anyway, I like the RDA, it's about 10 % protein from calories, so I'm ok with it. The RDA actually surprised me because it goes along with alot of research I've been reading about protein.
I am not going to derail this thread.0 -
Don't some people treat their veganism like it's a religion, and every one that doesn't eat this way is going to go to hell. Same can be said about some low carbers, cicophants, vegetarians, IIFYMers etc etc There are many people who see their way as the only way, and do treat it like it is some kind of a religion.0
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