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World's oldest priest says strict routine basis of long life?
GaleHawkins
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in.reuters.com/article/us-life-belgium-priest-idINKCN0ZQ0FU
I expect it was more than just a strict routine that has help keep Father Clemens active for 107 years. In photo 9 of 10 clearly he is on the thin side compared to man on his left side so calorie restriction may have been a way off life. Serving as a priest for 80 years would indicate he side stepped job hunting, housing, financial concerns at a personal level most likely. Serving for 80 years indicates he was mentally alert and could hear and read aided.
After I set a goal to live to be 110 walking and talking the entire way these cases grabs my attention. I find my goal helps me keep my way of eating in focus and that it keeps evolving.
Do others of you have concrete stated longevity goals? Per the obituaries that I read most goals must be set in the 70's range.
I expect it was more than just a strict routine that has help keep Father Clemens active for 107 years. In photo 9 of 10 clearly he is on the thin side compared to man on his left side so calorie restriction may have been a way off life. Serving as a priest for 80 years would indicate he side stepped job hunting, housing, financial concerns at a personal level most likely. Serving for 80 years indicates he was mentally alert and could hear and read aided.
After I set a goal to live to be 110 walking and talking the entire way these cases grabs my attention. I find my goal helps me keep my way of eating in focus and that it keeps evolving.
Do others of you have concrete stated longevity goals? Per the obituaries that I read most goals must be set in the 70's range.
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I have no desire to live to be that old. The odds of me feeling good and having a good quality of life are pretty low. (They are for anyone). I'll be making myself a DNR at age 70.
I'll strive to have a healthy , strong years while they last. But even with all of my efforts and good choices , alas we all have to die someday and genetics will win.
This guy has the trifecta of healthy choices, genetics and lowered stress.0 -
mommarnurse wrote: »I have no desire to live to be that old. The odds of me feeling good and having a good quality of life are pretty low. (They are for anyone). I'll be making myself a DNR at age 70.
I'll strive to have a healthy , strong years while they last. But even with all of my efforts and good choices , alas we all have to die someday and genetics will win.
This guy has the trifecta of healthy choices, genetics and lowered stress.
lol dnr at age 70?? Wait til you hit 50, 70 won't seem soooo old to you then
You're only 27, when i was your age i thought the age I am now was old....
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I have zero desire to outlive my children and spouse. I expect to live a good life and go gracefully into the oblivion.4
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I'd love to see 90 or so but I have a few health issues that make me doubt it.
I have pretty bad osteoarthritis in my hips at 42, to the point where I feel it all the time. I'm not looking forward to what 50 is going to feel like nevermind 70 or 90. Darn it.
@Christine_72 LOL I hear you. Middle age looked a lot older in my youth.2 -
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mommarnurse wrote: »I have no desire to live to be that old. The odds of me feeling good and having a good quality of life are pretty low. (They are for anyone). I'll be making myself a DNR at age 70.
I'll strive to have a healthy , strong years while they last. But even with all of my efforts and good choices , alas we all have to die someday and genetics will win.
This guy has the trifecta of healthy choices, genetics and lowered stress.
Only the extremely naive think Living Wills (which outline the conditions of DNR) are only for the old, bad things can and do happen to even the young. I had my kids have one since they were 18 so they could name who they wanted to represent them in health matters if they became incapacitated and to document their wishes. Obviously it will be something that they will change and maintain periodically throughout their life.
I have no intention of giving up at 70. I know people in their 70s, 80s and 90s that are vibrant and active throughout their lives. I aspire to be one of them.2 -
BikeTourer wrote: »mommarnurse wrote: »I have no desire to live to be that old. The odds of me feeling good and having a good quality of life are pretty low. (They are for anyone). I'll be making myself a DNR at age 70.
I'll strive to have a healthy , strong years while they last. But even with all of my efforts and good choices , alas we all have to die someday and genetics will win.
This guy has the trifecta of healthy choices, genetics and lowered stress.
Only the extremely naive think Living Wills (which outline the conditions of DNR) are only for the old, bad things can and do happen to even the young. I had my kids have one since they were 18 so they could name who they wanted to represent them in health matters if they became incapacitated and to document their wishes. Obviously it will be something that they will change and maintain periodically throughout their life.
I have no intention of giving up at 70. I know people in their 70s, 80s and 90s that are vibrant and active throughout their lives. I aspire to be one of them.
Yes indeedy! My in-laws are in their mid 80's and just came back from a cross country trip, they had a blast! My mum is 76 and is fit as a fiddle, i would hate for her to give up on life because she's not a young whippa snapper any more. She has more mojo and motivation than me!!
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sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I have zero desire to outlive my children and spouse. I expect to live a good life and go gracefully into the oblivion.
My kids will be 63 when I turn 110 so they should out live me by a country mile all things being equal. I would greatly miss may family if I out live them but I do not expect to will myself dead like some do should that happen.
Some ancient writings talk about physical death will happen by age 120 and Google supports that age limit. I know the oldest living person today is like 5 years short of 120. The local Indian tribes talked like the Happy Hunting Grounds are forever.
To me it is important to be walking and talking all the way up to physical death when ever it comes.
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Yeah, as long as i have all my faculties and am not being cared for 24/7 in a nursing home, I'll be happy to live as long as i can! Age is just a number, it's not as if you hit a certain age and your life is over..3
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Christine_72 wrote: »
lol dnr at age 70?? Wait til you hit 50, 70 won't seem soooo old to you then You're only 27, when i was your age i thought the age I am now was old....
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I've got the genetics for that age. I've got the stress level for that age. I'm getting the healthy lifestyle sorted out now. My dear Mrs doesn't have the genetics for that age and it's unpleasant to see her body deteriorating as rapidly as it is.0 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »
lol dnr at age 70?? Wait til you hit 50, 70 won't seem soooo old to you then You're only 27, when i was your age i thought the age I am now was old....
I've got the genetics for that age. I've got the stress level for that age. I'm getting the healthy lifestyle sorted out now. My dear Mrs doesn't have the genetics for that age and it's unpleasant to see her body deteriorating as rapidly as it is.[/quote]
I guess my only fear is dying before my husband, i think I'd die of a broken heart not long after.
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I believe it's a matter of genetics for the most part. I don't have the genetics for it personally (and that's a good thing because I don't have a partner and will have no one to take care of me if I grow frail) and I will likely die from heart disease between the ages 30 and 80 like every single person who died in my family, or possibly of cancer like my grandfather. I do intend to give myself the best chance I can to push it towards the higher end.
My ex boyfriend's great great grandfather lived to 109 and he died when we were together. He was a farmer with a very active lifestyle, walking everywhere till the day of his death (by falling off a cliff, unfortunately). He also had a very active social life, which appears to be common among those who live long. He had 9 children most of whom lived close to him (and 2 living with him) with lots of family gatherings and communication. What's interesting is that most of my ex's family (including him) were thin. My ex was even underweight.
Genetics trumps all, including diet. The longest lived people have varied diets, but interestingly every single one of them I happened to read about consumed pulses and grains. It might not mean anything, because these are staples in many countries. Heck, one even attributed her 115 years of life to bacon, cake and ice cream.
An interesting thing the guinness record holder for the oldest man to have ever lived said was: he ate until he was 80% full, and got a lot of sunlight. His most eaten foods were rice, pumpkin and sweet potatoes, eaten in 3 meals a day.3 -
I'd like to live forever. But I don't want to be miserable trying to do it and I don't want to live past the point where I can be independent and active. In other words I want LIVE as long as possible but not just be alive as long as possible.2
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I don't really think about what age I want to live to but more my quality of life for however long I'm alive.
I'd like to live to see my dd settled happily and independently into her adult life. I'd like to live as long as dh. I want to be active and engaged as I age.1 -
My grandfather just passed away in November at the age of 104. All I will say is the man loved his scotch and potato chips, and he was dating a young thing (she was only 80 lol). A bad head wound after he tripped and fell was what accelerated his decline.
I'm not comfortable with the idea of living that long, to be honest, even though he was healthy, fully independent, and still had his driver's license until he was 100. But it's in my genetics to do so.1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »in.reuters.com/article/us-life-belgium-priest-idINKCN0ZQ0FU
Do others of you have concrete stated longevity goals?
Neither of my parents or my sister had an easy or "good" death, far too much pain, suffering and indignity.
It's been a big motivator behind me getter fitter and healthier. Not for more years - just for more good years.
My longevity goal is simply to live while I'm enjoying life and I have no desire to be a burden or to extend a life I would regard as pointless.
Would rather go with a bang than a whimper.
Assuming my wife has gone before me then going out with a gang bang would be perfect. 2 -
The bolded part tickled my dark sense of humour....
An 81-year-old woman from Norfolk has had "Do Not Resuscitate" tattooed across her chest in case she falls ill and attempts are made to revive her.
Joy Tomkins had the message tattooed, along with "P.T.O." and an arrow on her back, earlier this year.
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I want to live as long as I'm able to while still being independent and in full control of my capacities.
Not sure how long my family typically lasts... men on my dad's side of the family seem to run into back luck in their early 60s, which makes me nervous since my dad just turned 50; however, my dad is the only man who hasn't gotten diabetes. Women on his side seem to last a bit longer, but get dementia in their early 70s or 80s (my grandmother and great-grandmother, respectively). No idea about my mom's side, since her mother died of cancer when my mother was 7 and I know nothing of my mom's grandmother or great-grandmother.
I'm hoping that the steps I'm taking now (exercising and watching my diet) will help in the long run - as far as I know, no one on either side of my families have been active or too concerned with diet. I plan to stay active, physically and mentally, as long as my body will allow - maybe being active in my twenties will help prevent a lot of the ills that seem to crop up in one's 30s, 40s, and 50s? Most on both side of my families are overweight, probably class I obese at most, so to be honest I'm not sure if my family's lack of longevity is due to genetics or lifestyle.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Do others of you have concrete stated longevity goals?
I don't want to die. I don't want to get sick or frail, either. There are people who think modern medicine will eventually find a way to prevent death. I haven't had any children, so if this were possible I would not be contributing to infinite population growth.
The last time I was in Stehekin, we hired a float plane to take us back to civilization. Our pilot was about 85, and inattentive. He dropped his sticky bun and slumped over to find it under his chair, we thought maybe he'd had a heart attack. At another point in the flight he took his hands off the controls to point out a bear on the mountainside, with the rickety plane just hanging there in the turbulence, fifteen hundred feet above the water. I exercise a lot and eat pretty well but who knows what the future holds for me?0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »mommarnurse wrote: »I have no desire to live to be that old. The odds of me feeling good and having a good quality of life are pretty low. (They are for anyone). I'll be making myself a DNR at age 70.
I'll strive to have a healthy , strong years while they last. But even with all of my efforts and good choices , alas we all have to die someday and genetics will win.
This guy has the trifecta of healthy choices, genetics and lowered stress.
lol dnr at age 70?? Wait til you hit 50, 70 won't seem soooo old to you then You're only 27, when i was your age i thought the age I am now was old....
It's not because it "seems" old. Work enough codes on anyone over that age and see how the odds would favor me (or you)1 -
BikeTourer wrote: »mommarnurse wrote: »I have no desire to live to be that old. The odds of me feeling good and having a good quality of life are pretty low. (They are for anyone). I'll be making myself a DNR at age 70.
I'll strive to have a healthy , strong years while they last. But even with all of my efforts and good choices , alas we all have to die someday and genetics will win.
This guy has the trifecta of healthy choices, genetics and lowered stress.
Only the extremely naive think Living Wills (which outline the conditions of DNR) are only for the old, bad things can and do happen to even the young. I had my kids have one since they were 18 so they could name who they wanted to represent them in health matters if they became incapacitated and to document their wishes. Obviously it will be something that they will change and maintain periodically throughout their life.
I have no intention of giving up at 70. I know people in their 70s, 80s and 90s that are vibrant and active throughout their lives. I aspire to be one of them.
Choosing to be a DNR has nothing to do with giving up. It simply means if my heart stops beating or I stop breathing, no not intervene with CPR / life support. The chance of these measures - after becoming of advancing age - being successful are slim, and when successful - the chances of ever regaining quality of life are quite minute. That's the point. a Living Will is entirely something different.1 -
I'm a cranky old *kitten* at 43. I'm going to be something awful at 70, let alone at 90 or so.0
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sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I'm a cranky old *kitten* at 43. I'm going to be something awful at 70, let alone at 90 or so.
You'll still have all the ladies in the nursing home fawning over you. 1 -
I do not have longevity goals. My goal is to just be the best me I can be and we'll see where that takes me. I mean really...I could be hit by a bus or something.6
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sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I'm a cranky old *kitten* at 43. I'm going to be something awful at 70, let alone at 90 or so.
You'll still have all the ladies in the nursing home fawning over you.
Perhaps and thank you, but not after I open my mouth2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I do not have longevity goals. My goal is to just be the best me I can be and we'll see where that takes me. I mean really...I could be hit by a bus or something.
This, and also to not leave my children motherless while they're small. I would hate to be taken and leave my husband a widower with toddlers.
I would at least want them old enough to remember me, and not depend on me so completely.
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sunnybeaches105 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I'm a cranky old *kitten* at 43. I'm going to be something awful at 70, let alone at 90 or so.
You'll still have all the ladies in the nursing home fawning over you.
Perhaps and thank you, but not after I open my mouth
Well, ok... maybe just the deaf ones.
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Christine_72 wrote: »
I guess my only fear is dying before my husband, i think I'd die of a broken heart not long after.
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I have a cousin who went into a profound depression after the sudden death of his wife. He died a year later.
His son recently posted a memory on facebook. The cousin owned a business involved in welding. They played the radio on a country station all day long. Every time Vince Gill's "Look At Us" came on, his wife would come out of the office onto the shop floor. He'd take off his welding mask. They'd dance.
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JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »
I guess my only fear is dying before my husband, i think I'd die of a broken heart not long after.I have a cousin who went into a profound depression after the sudden death of his wife. He died a year later.
His son recently posted a memory on facebook. The cousin owned a business involved in welding. They played the radio on a country station all day long. Every time Vince Gill's "Look At Us" came on, his wife would come out of the office onto the shop floor. He'd take off his welding mask. They'd dance.
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Clearly this guy is very talented but talking about living FOREVER shows a lack of understanding of human physiology. My view of living forever has nothing to do with human physiology.
If my kids are as slow to have kids as I was I will be 92 before I see my first grandchild so I am trying to hang in there.
Accidental death still happens where one is living on processed foods or only whole foods.
Life has been very painful every day for the past 40 years due to the very aggressive Ankylosing Spondylitis impacting all bone joints in my body and the associated muscle pain.
30 days after I got off of most forms of sugar and all forms of grain in Oct 2014 my pain level dropped down from 7-8 to 2-3 which is like no pain after 40 years of high pain and still remains low.
All my health markers are greatly improved, IBS of 40 years left totally after six months, blood pressure is down to 110/70 but huge is the brain fog has greatly cleared. Critical thinking has improved which is helping to get the company moving forward again.
With recovering health from a very low point, less pain than in 40 years and 55 pounds lighter and business looking up at age 65 I truly have hope and am getting rid of two power chairs that now are just taking up space.
It took me facing the reality that I was looking at a premature death from eating the wrong macros/foods in my case. Over the past two years I have well over 500 hours of reading health related research. Holding an OD degree has been helpful in undering medical research and wading through the great and awful medical info out there today from both AMA and alternative types of medical resources.
Losing the fear of cancer, heart, alzheimer's,etc brings real freedom. That is not to say one is not about ready to take me under but because I eat in a way to give as much protection and damage reversal from disease as I can learn to eat. I now understand cancer causes and continue to mitigate as many of the causes as possible with food and supplements for example.
While my goal to live to be 110 started out as humor because at 50 I referred to myself as being middle age and someone took me to task over it so I shifted my life span forward to 110 to make my statement factual.
The funny thing was I began to understand I was not going to make it past 72 (the age both of my parents died) based on the rate of my decline at 63. The kids were watch me needing more and more assistance getting dressed and out of cars, movie theater seats, etc. I wanted them to have hope they would not follow in the same path some day. I did not want the kids to have to deal with my premature death (they were only 16 at the time).
I think losing the will to live is a major cause of premature death.2
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