Fasting
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@inezbruce, since you're in the UK - have you heard of 5:2 (intermittent fasting)? It's fairly well known in the UK and has just come to the US in the last few years. Basically you eat normally & mindfully 5 days of the week and on 2 days you fast. You can eat up to 500 calories (for women) or 600 calories (for men).
It's a great way to give your metabolism, gut, whatever... a break. And I think in a weird way it does help to reduce stress since you're not thinking about food for two days of the week.
Some people do complete zero calorie fasts and others eat every last one of their 500 or 600 allotted calories, lol.
Good luck to you!1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.1 -
A water fast doesn't mean no water as some here seem to think. It means no food and drinking lots of water. Just FYI0
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:Its nothing to do with validation.
Its wanting to hear other peoples personal experiences and views on how fasting was for them
Well as you can see you won't hear them here. So why argue a point that you already decided on?
Edited to fix broken quotes.
Yes I have made my mind up. It doesnt mean I shouldnt post asking for peoples personal experiences of it!
Well when you post you will get every type of response, and that won't help your stress levels for sure.
'Chef Barbel', if you having nothing constructive to say please just avoid saying anything.
Karen, I have heard of the 5:2 but never researched it. Its something I will definitely look into, thanks for the advice
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.
She asked that those with no experience stop giving uninformed responses, but again I don't see how that would be construed as a need for validation. Seems more like trying to keep her thread on track.4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.
She asked that those with no experience stop giving uninformed responses, but again I don't see how that would be construed as a need for validation. Seems more like trying to keep her thread on track.
People have responded that have fasted. *shrug*0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.
She asked that those with no experience stop giving uninformed responses, but again I don't see how that would be construed as a need for validation. Seems more like trying to keep her thread on track.
Amen! I think people just like posting negative things. Half of the comments on this feed are by people who have never even done fast; despite that fact I asked for reviews in the original post!0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.
She asked that those with no experience stop giving uninformed responses, but again I don't see how that would be construed as a need for validation. Seems more like trying to keep her thread on track.
Amen! I think people just like posting negative things. Half of the comments on this feed are by people who have never even done fast; despite that fact I asked for reviews in the original post!
Funny thing is I have fasted when I first started this being so misinformed. All it did was give me a headache and made me cranky. I learned quickly how to eat food to fuel my body and that my organs take care of toxins and such.
You assume that people responding "negatively" haven't already been through this. Unless you are only looking for positive in which case posting on a message board won't provide that.3 -
kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
The removal of toxins related to smoking and the breakdown of caffeine occurs continually whether you continue with cigarettes and coffee or not. The issue with continuing to ingest these is that you can take them on board quicker than you can process them away.
So, abstaining from smoking and coffee will "detox" you in as much as you will metabolise these but not replace them.
But, the abstinence of food is a complete red-herring. It will make no difference to the rate at which you remove caffeine, cigarette based toxins, or any other toxins.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.
She asked that those with no experience stop giving uninformed responses, but again I don't see how that would be construed as a need for validation. Seems more like trying to keep her thread on track.
Amen! I think people just like posting negative things. Half of the comments on this feed are by people who have never even done fast; despite that fact I asked for reviews in the original post!
Funny thing is I have fasted when I first started this being so misinformed. All it did was give me a headache and made me cranky. I learned quickly how to eat food to fuel my body and that my organs take care of toxins and such.
Why not just say this first, put the negativity aside and just share your experience.4 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.
She asked that those with no experience stop giving uninformed responses, but again I don't see how that would be construed as a need for validation. Seems more like trying to keep her thread on track.
Amen! I think people just like posting negative things. Half of the comments on this feed are by people who have never even done fast; despite that fact I asked for reviews in the original post!
Funny thing is I have fasted when I first started this being so misinformed. All it did was give me a headache and made me cranky. I learned quickly how to eat food to fuel my body and that my organs take care of toxins and such.
I water fasted for three days and nearly crashed my car into an overpass. No more fasting for me, it serves no purpose.
But, ya, OP tell us how it goes!3 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.
She asked that those with no experience stop giving uninformed responses, but again I don't see how that would be construed as a need for validation. Seems more like trying to keep her thread on track.
Amen! I think people just like posting negative things. Half of the comments on this feed are by people who have never even done fast; despite that fact I asked for reviews in the original post!
Funny thing is I have fasted when I first started this being so misinformed. All it did was give me a headache and made me cranky. I learned quickly how to eat food to fuel my body and that my organs take care of toxins and such.
Why not just say this first, put the negativity aside and just share your experience.
Asking questions does not equal rude. You might need to step away from the boards a bit as you are reading into text a little too hard.3 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.
She asked that those with no experience stop giving uninformed responses, but again I don't see how that would be construed as a need for validation. Seems more like trying to keep her thread on track.
Amen! I think people just like posting negative things. Half of the comments on this feed are by people who have never even done fast; despite that fact I asked for reviews in the original post!
Funny thing is I have fasted when I first started this being so misinformed. All it did was give me a headache and made me cranky. I learned quickly how to eat food to fuel my body and that my organs take care of toxins and such.
Why not just say this first, put the negativity aside and just share your experience.
Asking questions does not equal rude. You might need to step away from the boards a bit as you are reading into text a little too hard.
Telling me I am seeking validation from strangers is not asking a question and it is rude.
Over it.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
If you want to fast, do you. Why do you need validation from random internet strangers? :huh:
How would asking for reviews from people who have done something be construed as asking for validation?
By the way the OP is responding.
She asked that those with no experience stop giving uninformed responses, but again I don't see how that would be construed as a need for validation. Seems more like trying to keep her thread on track.
Amen! I think people just like posting negative things. Half of the comments on this feed are by people who have never even done fast; despite that fact I asked for reviews in the original post!
Funny thing is I have fasted when I first started this being so misinformed. All it did was give me a headache and made me cranky. I learned quickly how to eat food to fuel my body and that my organs take care of toxins and such.
Why not just say this first, put the negativity aside and just share your experience.
Asking questions does not equal rude. You might need to step away from the boards a bit as you are reading into text a little too hard.
Telling me I am seeking validation from strangers is not asking a question and it is rude.
Over it.
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Fasting (which is different from 5:2 style "fasting") doesn't do a thing about caffeine (which isn't a toxin unless you are consuming weird doses and doesn't build up in the system) or cigarettes. I've fasted for a day plenty of times, and I've also quit caffeine, which was a process of more than one day (and not aided by not consuming food) if one is hooked on it. I've never smoked, but obviously how one would "detox" from that is not smoked, not not eating.0
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OP, when I was young and hadn't done much research on how the body works, I tried doing 24 hour juice fasts on occasion. They did nothing but make me cranky and hungry and gave me a headache. So definitely did not de-stress me.
I have since educated myself a lot more and I know that my kidneys and liver filter all the bad stuff out of my body every day. They don't need a break, they literally exist to do this every day.
People here are telling you it isn't a good idea so you don't waste your time and energy on it. These are internet strangers trying to help you out, which seems pretty nice to me. And honestly, a person doesn't have to do something to know whether it works or not. Science has really helped us out with that sort of thing. I can't see all the molecules in my desk vibrating around, but science has explained how that works, so I can know it without experiencing it.
My personal opinion is you would do much better eating a healthy diet with plenty of veggies, lean protein, and healthy fats while trying to cut back the caffeine and stop smoking. The food will give your body the energy and nutrients it needs to deal with the stress of getting used to less caffeine and no smoking, and that will make you way healthier than a water fast. Whatever you decide to do, best of luck.2 -
I've followed a fasting schedule - it did nothing to remove toxins or to remove stress.
It simply allowed me to regulate my weekly calories.
I've also gone through intense and prolonged periods of stress and adding to stress by fasting is simply a bad idea. It may distract you temporarily but that's about the only positive I can think of - but there's better and more productive ways than being undernourished for a short spell. Exercise, meditation or relaxation techniques for example.
You need to identify and resolve (or contain, or just find a way to endure....) what is causing you stress. Looking for "woo" ways to do that is just clutching at straws and avoiding the underlying issue.
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I've never tried a water fast, but I do a 6:1 thing once a week. I do eat about 500 calories on the "fast day" but cut out coffee that day. The first week I did it was the worst (I was thinking about food ALL DAY), but every week since has been much easier. It has helped me bust through my weight loss plateau. I always feel great the day after my fast day, and I find that the workouts I have the day after are AWESOME. Again, its not for everyone, and I personally wouldn't recommend doing just water for 24 hours, because you'll probably end up dizzy and sick. So maybe ease into a bit? Just my 2 cents!0
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kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
What toxins?0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »It would be more beneficial for your body and mind if you stopped reading women's magazines and watching infomercials. If you are stressed, find better ways to organize your day, and methods to de-stress.
Please do not undermine me.
The stress in my life DOES NOT come down to organisation of my day.
You know nothing about me or my life please don't make assumptions that reflect your own day to day living.
A method to de-stress could be fasting? People fast for religious purposes, people fast as a form of meditation, people fast to have better control over eating habits, people fast because its a good way in which to clear your body of toxins and give your digestive system a break.
No, it isn't.
PS yes it is.
I drink caffeine and smoke daily surely fasting would eliminate these toxins from my body whilst i'm refraining from it. Unless you've done a fast or have any real knowledge keep it to yourself.
Will you be smoking during your fast?0 -
Now I do not mean to undermine the context of this thread, but who thinks (especially smokers and ex smokers as I raise my hand) thinks that a water fast is gonna do one thing about this?
Now caffeine, caffeine has a "half life" in the body and is excreted from the body.. Alcohol, wine, etc.. the same.
We have gone from Stress, to smoking, to caffeine consumption..
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Stop smoking and you remove all the bad and ugly stuff with each day after cessation.
Caffeine consumption? Well this goes away naturally.. If it did not, we would all be wired and waiting for a heart attack!
Stressed? Get a dog, or a cat, stay off social media and get a new job and kick the boy friend to the curb, this will all ease stress.
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Wetcoaster wrote: »
No it does not get rid of "toxins".
You don't like the word "toxins" but fasting causes autophagy. Autophagy is the body’s mechanism of getting rid of all the broken down, old cell organelles, proteins and cell membranes. It is suspected that a buildup of these types of things causes cancer, alzheimers, accelerated aging. Small molecules, peptides, or proteins that are capable of causing disease are called toxins.
More good stuff about fasting and autophagy:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20534972
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21106691
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17934054
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20921964
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20300080
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20880415
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-and-autophagy-fasting-25/
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Ive been super busy/stressed recently and have read its beneficial for the body and mind to embark on a water fast.
Has anyone done a water fast? Reviews?
You'd be better off doing yoga and meditation. Fasting won't help stress.
Once you've learned how to manage your stress, then think about fasting. 0 -
In the first one on autophagy? if fasting did this (and it says short term.. how short term? Why are they developing drugs that cross the blood brain barrier and increase neuronal autophagy? Where is the clinical study on this one? Is this over night fasting, 24 fasting?
Still looking at the others. I may need to quit now.. 0 -
^^^ the body does this process every day without the fast so why bother with the fast?!?0
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The quote I posted it something I just pulled up from the internet in response to the comments which posted no facts, reviews, just blunt perceptions of what it is.
I wanted real reviews/knowledge.
I would recommend looking up scientific articles on your library databases then. Not asking random people to do it for you.
I do not understand why people are sonegative on here.
Its meant to be a community space to support people. Not a way to slate people, there ideas and views.
Its pathetic.
As I have said, I wanted REVIEWS on fasting, not pessimistic opinions from people who know nothing about it.
I don't understand how it was negative. You may get the reviews on MFP but not the "real knowledge" you requested. So I suggested where to find it. You will often find things are less negative when you look at things with a positive mindset.0 -
In the first one on autophagy? if fasting did this (and it says short term.. how short term? Why are they developing drugs that cross the blood brain barrier and increase neuronal autophagy? Where is the clinical study on this one? Is this over night fasting, 24 fasting?
Still looking at the others. I may need to quit now..
I would assume that they are developing the drugs for people who won't or can't fast and exercise, and/or who are already sick with alzheimers. If you dig through Dr. Fung's website (the last link), you'll find a ton of info about fasting. I think it's he that suggests that autophagy starts in about 16 hours. I don't understand what other study you are asking about -- are you looking for proof that drug companies are trying to develop drugs?
Nobody around here seems to like links that are not from NIH, but this article is convenient in that a lot of the benefits are explained all in one place and it has links to the studies. As a stressed woman, you might want to consider looking at his last link about women and fasting. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/health-benefits-of-intermittent-fasting/0 -
My mother in law had breast cancer and did the old radiation and chemotherapy back in her time. Sadly to say she passed away at 72 three years ago. And reading some things about fasting makes sense as it relates to therapies that are provided to cancer patients, the fasting and in some cases is for 72 hours (complete fast) before therapy and this make sense as what the cancer therapy does to the body.
I keep reading and reading that the jury is still way out on all the health benefits that include cell turn over, cell regeneration, etc.. from fasting. And the fasting I keep seeing is a moderate fast for 72 hours. This is not a water fast, this not something they are talking about to rejuvenate the mind like going to a spa to become free from stress, toxins from smoking, drinking caffeine, taking prescriptions drugs, alcohol, etc..
I understand that there are doctors, scientists, mental health physicians that would want to find all the benefits for health (and hopefully it is not to sell more drugs to clean out the drugs out of our system), etc.. You just cannot go around tell people to fast anywhere from 24 to 72 hours without being medically supervised. There are gonna be more people that cannot under go this type of dietary change or structure than those that can.
"Eat Stop Eat" hints that the autophagy is between 16 - 24 hours, is he doctor? or where did he found this information out? I have no clue..
But for the emphasis of this thread and its context, this is a little overkill. I would need a lot more time (more than 1 hour) to delve in this more and form a final opinion, as I would like to see case studies, clinical trials, etc.0 -
CorneliusPhoton wrote: »In the first one on autophagy? if fasting did this (and it says short term.. how short term? Why are they developing drugs that cross the blood brain barrier and increase neuronal autophagy? Where is the clinical study on this one? Is this over night fasting, 24 fasting?
Still looking at the others. I may need to quit now..
I would assume that they are developing the drugs for people who won't or can't fast and exercise, and/or who are already sick with alzheimers. If you dig through Dr. Fung's website (the last link), you'll find a ton of info about fasting. I think it's he that suggests that autophagy starts in about 16 hours. I don't understand what other study you are asking about -- are you looking for proof that drug companies are trying to develop drugs?
Nobody around here seems to like links that are not from NIH, but this article is convenient in that a lot of the benefits are explained all in one place and it has links to the studies. As a stressed woman, you might want to consider looking at his last link about women and fasting. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/health-benefits-of-intermittent-fasting/
This guy Mark that has this website/blog is simply designing his own reasoning as to why and I quote:
"Overall, fasting just seems right. It’s like a reset button for your entire body, presumably across a large spectrum of maladies and dysfunctions. It puts your body into repair mode – at the cellular level – and it can restore normal hormonal function in the obese or overweight."..
There is still no scientific method or facts to back up his claims on health benefits. IF is basically an eating schedule. It provide many dietary ways to control eating, etc..
Intermittent fasting is certainly something that I see most people in the MFP community already do in one way or another. It is a form of delaying "break fast" in some form or another, there is just a name for it now called Intermittent Fasting. I have been doing it since college.
PS: I am not the stressed woman, the OP is. I thought I would clear that up...LOL 0
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