Carbs or fat? Totally confused

aashish14914 · July 2016

I read in an article about how quickly one can loss weight. After reading all i came to conclusion that having less carb food (between 50-100 g or even <50 g) would help in loosing your fat fast. But for having less carb one have to eat more Fat which maintain your daily calories need. I am really confused. It is like sin to have so much fat when you are trying to get rid of your weight, eat fat but in less amount (I weigh 194 lbs, height 183 cm & age 22). For me it is estimated to have 2200 calories, 73 g fat and 275 g carbs to loose my 6 lbs in 4 weeks. But i am trying to have less carbs foods (Max. 150g carbs), so where to put my 500 calories that less carbs creates. Please suggest whether i have to eat recommended carbs or put my required carbs calories any where else. I am really confused.

phrunch · July 2016

It's a common misconception that you shouldn't eat fat when you're losing weight. I eat between 20 and 30% of my calories each day from fat and I've been losing 3 lbs a week for almost a month.

Making sure your calories are right is all that matters.

alexreyn13 · July 2016

Correct me if I'm wrong peeps, but losing weight all comes down to a caloric deficit.

Your macro ratio's make no difference in fat loss (unless you have a medical condition). I think people on low carb INITIALLY lose a larger amount of weight due to a water and glycogen "dump", but after that you'll resume losing weight steadily just like anyone else.

RodaRose · July 2016

If you lower carbs, eat fat and oils: peanuts, sunflower seeds, bacon, dark meat chicken, full fat salad dressing.

Sued0nim · July 2016

Neither...it's calories

Fat is a macro you should hit a minimum of ...0.35g per lb bodyweight as a minimum ...as far helps body absorb nutrients

While I'm here, so is protein ...a macro to hit a minimum ..0.6-0.8g per lb bodyweight as a minimum...protein is vital for cell repair

Carbs does not have a minimum, but a great energy source, bulking food, generally fibre rich or incredibly palatable

But the answer is calories

Sued0nim · July 2016

alexreyn13 wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong peeps, but losing weight all comes down to a caloric deficit.

Your macro ratio's make no difference in fat loss (unless you have a medical condition). I think people on low carb INITIALLY lose a larger amount of weight due to a water and glycogen "dump", but after that you'll resume losing weight steadily just like anyone else.

You're right ...I've read trials where after 3 months weight loss has equalised from low carb to low fat approaches

Low carb I found can play with your head and long term commitment because of the water weight fluctuation ..if I faltered, even after a decent time and loss (we are talking 6 months and 20-30lbs here) the immediate weight gain would completely destroy my motivation and I'd cycle back up ...low carb kept me yo-yoing for a decade or two ...but that's my experience

Krisfit40 · July 2016

calories must be in a deficit BUT!! The quality DOES MATTER.. macros make a difference and so does food type.. example.. If you eat fast food all day but stay within your macros you will not lose weight like someone who eats clean to hit their macros.. You can even narrow this down to things like using fish instead of steak to get in your protein.. The body will process and use cleaner food better. SO DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE. and another tid bit.. Don't be scared to eat more protein to supplement the decrease in carbs.. Raising fats is ok but the benefits of protein are immeasurable..

Wynterbourne · July 2016

Krisfit40 wrote: »

calories must be in a deficit BUT!! The quality DOES MATTER.. macros make a difference and so does food type.. example.. If you eat fast food all day but stay within your macros you will not lose weight like someone who eats clean to hit their macros.. You can even narrow this down to things like using fish instead of steak to get in your protein.. The body will process and use cleaner food better. SO DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE. and another tid bit.. Don't be scared to eat more protein to supplement the decrease in carbs.. Raising fats is ok but the benefits of protein are immeasurable..

Ummm... If what you said was true I wouldn't have lost 94lbs in the last 52 weeks. I don't "eat clean", I never eat fish, I have ice cream if I want, I have wine and hard liquor if I want. I pay only limited attention to my macros. My 94lb loss finds your "So don't believe the hype" comment amusingly ironic.

Krisfit40 · July 2016

If you read it again, I did not say you cant lose weight eating whatever you want.. I said you can lose more weight eating cleaner..

Krisfit40 · July 2016

and BTW, I was just giving info.. not calling anyone out or trying to argue with anyone.. Thx

Krisfit40 · July 2016

congrats on the weightloss also.. 94 lbs is pretty amazing!!

Wynterbourne · July 2016

Krisfit40 wrote: »

If you read it again, I did not say you cant lose weight eating whatever you want.. I said you can lose more weight eating cleaner..

So you're saying that I could have lost even more weight eating clean? Oh, and I took a two week break when I visited family across country so it was technically 50 weeks. Considering that that is nearly a 2lb a week loss, I'm willing to bet money that I wouldn't have lost any more eating clean. Eat clean if you want, but don't make unsubstantiated claims that eating 1600 calories a day of "clean" foods will lead to a greater weight loss than 1600 calories a day of "non-clean" foods. I'm not buying it.

Krisfit40 wrote: »

congrats on the weightloss also.. 94 lbs is pretty amazing!!

Thanks.

jennifer_417 · July 2016

For me, limiting carbs has been helpful in reducing cravings....HOWEVER, calories are king. All you need to lose weight (barring certain specific health conditions) is to burn more calories than you consume. For weight loss, what foods those calories come in doesn't matter.

cityruss · July 2016

Krisfit40 wrote: »

If you read it again, I did not say you cant lose weight eating whatever you want.. I said you can lose more weight eating cleaner..

Evidence?

Krisfit40 · July 2016

http://www.besthealthmag.ca/best-eats/diet/the-truth-about-calories/

Krisfit40 · July 2016

this is a short article that I found fairly easy by searching are all calories equal. there were a ton of other articles to read also.. maybe I'm wrong.. and if so I'm ok with that, but I like to try and give good advice so to be attacked while trying to help caught me off gaurd. It's amazing how quick people are on these forums to try and prove everyone wrong lol. Have a nice night peeps. I won't be participating in this debate anymore lol

Sued0nim · July 2016

I'd like to see the source of the bro science assertion too

Your blog article doesn't cut it ...in fact I felt like stopping reading at this little nugget "That said, cutting calories does work in the short term, though it’s necessary to cut more calories than most people realize (3,500, to be exact) in order to lose one pound." that number is a guideline, not an "exact" ... That is journalistic misrepresentation

Then this "After you’ve lost some weight, your metabolism slows down so that you have to eat less and less just to maintain that weight loss. It’s your body’s way of making sure you don’t starve."
You have less mass hence your RMR is lower, it's not a body's way to make sure you don't starve...journalists playing into "starvation mode theory"

It then goes on to talk about thermic effect of food, which while a thing, is marginal effect

Blood sugar being raised on eating carbs..true ..that's why healthy people have functioning hormonal responses to manage it. Blood sugar also raises in consuming protein and again insulin-glucagon deals with it

So I'm calling bro-science on that and on clean eating

Eating clean does not increase weight loss. However for health one needs a wide ranging nutritious diet covering macro and micro nutrient requirements ... Foods are not good or bad, diets (as in ways of eating) can be though

Sued0nim · July 2016

Krisfit40 wrote: »

this is a short article that I found fairly easy by searching are all calories equal. there were a ton of other articles to read also.. maybe I'm wrong.. and if so I'm ok with that, but I like to try and give good advice so to be attacked while trying to help caught me off gaurd. It's amazing how quick people are on these forums to try and prove everyone wrong lol. Have a nice night peeps. I won't be participating in this debate anymore lol

Cross posted with you there @Krisfit40

sorry you're feeling attacked..

The forums are for debate, discussion and not just "I know best" ...I hope if you view it like that, or even read others posts in muppet voices, your inference of being attacked is abated

...it would be good for more people to join the debate and be a bit more robust in their responses to critical analysis of proofs...it is not personal

jxb1959 · July 2016

I'm in the calories camp too. I don't pay any attention to macros, since I eat food and not an idealized mixture of fat, protein, and carb! The term "carb" embraces such a wide variety of substances, -- from white sugar to undigestible types of fiber -- that it's not a very helpful concept. I count calories and pay attention to whether or not a given food or a given meal controls my hunger. I eat more of the foods that manage my hunger well and save tasty foods that don't reduce my hunger for occasional treats.

FunkyTobias · July 2016

Krisfit40 wrote: »

calories must be in a deficit BUT!! The quality DOES MATTER.. macros make a difference and so does food type.. example.. If you eat fast food all day but stay within your macros you will not lose weight like someone who eats clean to hit their macros.. You can even narrow this down to things like using fish instead of steak to get in your protein.. The body will process and use cleaner food better. SO DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE. and another tid bit.. Don't be scared to eat more protein to supplement the decrease in carbs.. Raising fats is ok but the benefits of protein are immeasurable..

Everything you said is wrong.

Azdak · July 2016

phrunch wrote: »

It's a common misconception that you shouldn't eat fat when you're losing weight. I eat between 20 and 30% of my calories each day from fat and I've been losing 3 lbs a week for almost a month.

Making sure your calories are right is all that matters.

20% to 30% calories from fat is not a lot of fat. I would consider 20% to be a "low fat" diet. Given where most people's macros end up, I would consider 30% to be the most reasonable target for most people, and even a bit higher will probably not be a problem.

Carbs or fat? Totally confused

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