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Opinions on soy?
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StealthHealth wrote: »socalrunner59 wrote: »I'm Japanese American. Asians eat a lot of soy--considerably more than Americans. Japan has the highest life expectancy of all major countries: Japanese women 87 years compared to American women 81 years; Japanese men 80 years compared to American men 76 years. Moreover, Japanese have a better quality of life, living an average of 75 years of their lives disability free. The notion that soy is detrimental to overall health is unfounded.
The culprit in the American diet isn't soy--it's all that high fat, high sugar, processed food.
Correlation does not prove cause.
The claim isn't that soy causes long life, it's that soy isn't all that scary if a large population of people have been eating large quantities of it for a very long time and seem to be doing just fine as far as general health is concerned.1 -
My thoughts are that other than soy sauce, it's gross.3
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@FeedMeFish do some research. Soy seems to be a no no for some of us who have spent a life time eating SAD.1
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It's fine. Eat the soy.2
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extra_medium wrote: »StealthHealth wrote: »socalrunner59 wrote: »I'm Japanese American. Asians eat a lot of soy--considerably more than Americans. Japan has the highest life expectancy of all major countries: Japanese women 87 years compared to American women 81 years; Japanese men 80 years compared to American men 76 years. Moreover, Japanese have a better quality of life, living an average of 75 years of their lives disability free. The notion that soy is detrimental to overall health is unfounded.
The culprit in the American diet isn't soy--it's all that high fat, high sugar, processed food.
Correlation does not prove cause.
The claim isn't that soy causes long life, it's that soy isn't all that scary if a large population of people have been eating large quantities of it for a very long time and seem to be doing just fine as far as general health is concerned.
@socalrunner59 's claim seemed (to me) to be:- Because a population eats a lot of soy and enjoys longevity then the soy must be the thing that makes the difference - "Asians eat a lot of soy--considerably more than Americans. Japan has the highest life expectancy of all major countries"
- Because a population eats a lot of high fat, high sugar, processed food and has a lesser longevity that soy consumption is irrelevant - "The culprit in the American diet isn't soy--it's all that high fat, high sugar, processed food"
Putting aside the argument that it's difficult to argue that point 1 and point 2 are both correct. My comment was that neither Japan's longevity or the US higher mortality rate could be, on the basis of her comment, attributed to soy. Not that soy was good/bad/well tolerated (which seems to be your point).
I guess that all this is irrelevant to the OP who asked to an opinion on soy as a replacement to dairy so to answer that. My opinion is:- Soy in moderation seems harmless so if it's palatable to you, go for it.
- Similar to @cwolfman13 the only soy product I enjoy is soy sauce, so I don't eat it.
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I am a sample size of one, but soy has caused me no issues, and is the most widely available form of lactose free dairy-type-foodstuff where I live. Almond milk is good in porridge, cashew milk is good in smoothies.
You can probably find contradictory claims about any item imaginable if you look for it.1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »@FeedMeFish do some research. Soy seems to be a no no for some of us who have spent a life time eating SAD.
How does one research the claim that soy "seems" to be a "no no" for "some" people? It's such a vague statement I don't even know how one would go about determining if it is true or not.3 -
Make your own nut milks with a blender! Personally, I love soy milk and tofu and all things soy, but I have it organic when possible after I read that soy seeds (beans) are modified to be 'round up ready', meaning they are not harmed by chemical weed killer and so it is sprayed on the whole field and some gets into the beans.1
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cwolfman13 wrote: »My thoughts are that other than soy sauce, it's gross.
And edamame. Pictsweet pepper seasoned ones my favorite snack!1 -
China consumes a lot of soybeans and clearly they are becoming extinct as a race.7
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Alluminati wrote: »China consumes a lot of soybeans and clearly they are becoming extinct as a race.
They're still alive?2 -
Make your own nut milks with a blender! Personally, I love soy milk and tofu and all things soy, but I have it organic when possible after I read that soy seeds (beans) are modified to be 'round up ready', meaning they are not harmed by chemical weed killer and so it is sprayed on the whole field and some gets into the beans.
I don't know if you're aware, but the use of glyphosphate had profoundly cut down on the use of pesticides, increased yields, and nearly eliminated manual field labor. The amount of herbicide used compared to conventional farming is a fraction. Organic farming uses pesticides and herbicides and fungicides, often conventional ones that require heavy and frequent application. It's a large part of why the products are more expensive.
As far as glyphosphate is concerned, it has poor environmental persistence. That means it decomposes rapidly. A key to application is to only use it after weed germination and before proliferation, under dry conditions.
Roundup readily washes off. I have no clue how any could "get into the beans" given they're protected by a waxy seed pod and rained on frequently, then washed as part of normal harvest processing.10 -
Necessary disclaimers
1. I am a chemist
2. My area of research is not plants or herbicides
3. I have worked in the food industry in the past but do not currently do so
4. I have never worked for Monsanto
5. I do not own or have interest in any farm, dairy, soy or otherwise ; or in any food processing company.
6. I am allergic to soy
7. I absolutely hate seeing misinformation spread around.7 -
There is evidence to suggest that it is not great for thyroid patients, and should not be given to infants:
http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/soydangers.htm0 -
There is evidence to suggest that it is not great for thyroid patients, and should not be given to infants:
http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/soydangers.htm
this is only a special population though.
p.s. i'm hypo, and yes, i am supposed to avoid soy. =/0 -
They make a almond milk beverage with added protein that's soy free. You can usually find it at vitamin shoppe or whole foods. Only 60 cals and 10 grams of protein. It's like unsweetened almond milk with protein pow added in(:3
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Necessary disclaimers
1. I am a chemist
2. My area of research is not plants or herbicides
3. I have worked in the food industry in the past but do not currently do so
4. I have never worked for Monsanto
5. I do not own or have interest in any farm, dairy, soy or otherwise ; or in any food processing company.
6. I am allergic to soy
7. I absolutely hate seeing misinformation spread around.
I am also a chemist and have worked in that field (commercial lab in an agricultural region). As I posted above, we only really saw glyphosate on crop samples when it was used just prior to harvest to dessicate the plants. Even then, it was a bit hit or miss (probably due to how water soluble it is).
Apparently at some point in the past someone at our lab pissed off someone at Monsanto so we never actually did any work for them.
Disclaimer: while I am very familiar with how we analyzed for glyphosate, my lab skills on that particular test were not very good...2 -
Necessary disclaimers
1. I am a chemist
2. My area of research is not plants or herbicides
3. I have worked in the food industry in the past but do not currently do so
4. I have never worked for Monsanto
5. I do not own or have interest in any farm, dairy, soy or otherwise ; or in any food processing company.
6. I am allergic to soy
7. I absolutely hate seeing misinformation spread around.
I am also a chemist and have worked in that field (commercial lab in an agricultural region). As I posted above, we only really saw glyphosate on crop samples when it was used just prior to harvest to dessicate the plants. Even then, it was a bit hit or miss (probably due to how water soluble it is).
Apparently at some point in the past someone at our lab pissed off someone at Monsanto so we never actually did any work for them.
Disclaimer: while I am very familiar with how we analyzed for glyphosate, my lab skills on that particular test were not very good...
How common is it to spray for dessication just prior to harvest? I've never heard of that happening in my area, but it could be a difference in types of crops, or just something I don't know
(there are plenty of things like that). 0 -
To put it simply. Soy does increase estrogen but in moderation for females is fine.
Almond milk is a diet killer. Look at all the added sugar.
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ingestion of soy requires a specific enzyme which is not frequently found in the European origin populations.3
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FeedMeFish wrote: »
This. I use the stuff regularly. It's easy to spot which is which. Even the unsweetened Vanilla is only 30 kcal/cup.1 -
My "opinion" on soy is the same as aspartame, they may say it's safe but i'm erring on the side of caution and choosing not to consume it.1
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Christine_72 wrote: »
Because it's unsweetened, of course there's no sugar. Almond Breeze vanilla has 10g of sugar, which I wouldn't consider high since my 2% cow milk has 12g.2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »
Because it's unsweetened, of course there's no sugar. Almond Breeze vanilla has 10g of sugar, which I wouldn't consider high since my 2% cow milk has 12g.
True, but she was also replying to a comment that made it sound as if almond milk inherently has a buttload of sugar in it.3 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »
Because it's unsweetened, of course there's no sugar. Almond Breeze vanilla has 10g of sugar, which I wouldn't consider high since my 2% cow milk has 12g.
True, but she was also replying to a comment that made it sound as if almond milk inherently has a buttload of sugar in it.
I get what she meant, but comparing something unsweetened to something sweetened and saying, "No way, mine has 0 sugar!" is slightly silly to me.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »My "opinion" on soy is the same as aspartame, they may say it's safe but i'm erring on the side of caution and choosing not to consume it.
So you're not consuming anything on this list?
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/fdcc/?set=SCOGS3 -
I'm comfortable relying on the experience of people in the various countries that have long histories with soy and include it in my diet -- more as tofu, tempeh, and edamame than supplements (and I don't eat lots of packaged foods anyway). I'd probably use soy milk and protein supplement if I were a vegan, though, without any concern.1
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Christine_72 wrote: »
Because it's unsweetened, of course there's no sugar. Almond Breeze vanilla has 10g of sugar, which I wouldn't consider high since my 2% cow milk has 12g.
I thought there may have been naturally occurring sugars floating around in there like in cows milk which is also unsweetened, as honestly i never thought to check the sugar content in my Almond milk.. until now.stevencloser wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »My "opinion" on soy is the same as aspartame, they may say it's safe but i'm erring on the side of caution and choosing not to consume it.
So you're not consuming anything on this list?
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/fdcc/?set=SCOGS
I dare say i consume plenty of things on that list, i only got up to page 3. Honestly i wouldn't be comparing the FDA to FSA, there are many substances available in America that are totally banned here.
But yeah, soy and aspartame are pretty easy to avoid, and that's what i'm doing. The title of this thread is opinions, and i gave mine.
And i know the comeback will be if you believed everything you read you'd be living on air, as there are pro and con articles on everything, and yes i said articles, not studies because i know that will be thrown back at me too. The bottom line is you do you, i'll do me, simples.
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