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Is Plexus.... a cult or what?
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BiggDaddy58 wrote: »I just had a friend on Facebook "I'm so excited to start my new journey with Plexus..PM me for more information"
Perhaps Unfriend her may happen instead. It's sad to see people duped in this $$$$$$$ Industry (Health & Weightloss)
My Ex's new wife is trying to get me on it. And it is a scam. If you read the label, it's all things you can get at a health food store. They just wrap it up all pretty-like, slap a fancy word on it and sell the crap out of it.2 -
CindyFooWho wrote: »I'm sure that if you're into it, my subject line alone horrified you. Because I've never seen a group of people be so insane over....not sure what it is... a bunch of vitamin drinks? I mean, I don't particularly care because I prefer to get my nutrition from food. Eating is just generally more fun for me. But I have a Facebook friend who sells it or is somehow involved with it, and is pushing it every stinkin day. And it's starting to smell like a heavy marketing, if not a pyramid, if not brainwashing, scheme. She's a sweet lady, but I have to get her out of my newsfeed before I say something I shouldn't. The daily story is that her life was crap before but now she is smarter, more alert, more able to eat right and able to go to the gym because of this magic elixir. It's sad. You can do all of that without chemicals in a glass.
Please do correct me if I'm wrong. I respect the opinions of many on here, so if there is legit data to support this craziness, I'd be interested to hear about it. I'm still not buying it, but since it's in my face every day, I'm curious what you all think.
Cult? I wouldn't go that far. Scam? Yes, definitely.1 -
My cats would drink all the milk I would give them... I can't imagine that they are the only species that would do so.
Also, if lactose is bad for everyone, you would think that the countries with the highest consumption would have the most people with intolerance? That's not the case though.
http://pets.thenest.com/veterinarians-say-cats-drinking-cows-milk-cream-6972.html
Milk has never been good for cats.
Tell that to my cat!
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My cats would drink all the milk I would give them... I can't imagine that they are the only species that would do so.
Also, if lactose is bad for everyone, you would think that the countries with the highest consumption would have the most people with intolerance? That's not the case though.
http://pets.thenest.com/veterinarians-say-cats-drinking-cows-milk-cream-6972.html
Milk has never been good for cats.
"Most of us have probably given our cats a bit of milk and never noticed a problem. That’s because some cats tolerate milk just fine, Wynn tells WebMD.
How can you tell? Try offering your cat a tablespoon or two of milk. If you don’t see symptoms within a day, chances are good your cat will do fine with milk as an occasional treat."
http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/cats-and-dairy-get-the-facts
ETA: luckily, as humans we have logic and reasoning and no not to drink it if it bothers us.5 -
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cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »
Correct...cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »milkmaid1980 wrote: »For what it's worth, Plexus products have been life changing for my family. My husband suffered from chronic neck pain for 20 years and he is now almost pain free. That is the only change he made. He doesn't need to lose weight and doesn't take it for weight loss. My daughter couldn't tolerate gluten or dairy but after being on the probiotic for several months she can now eat anything the other kids can, and doesn't have daily stomach aches or headaches. I had tried lots of supplements and other brands of probiotics with no results. It's not a miracle cure but they are simply high quality supplements that really do help some people with chronic health issues. I think some people go overboard with promoting it. It's not a pyramid scheme, though. That is illegal.
This statement right here is what worries me. If my body is rejecting a type of food for some reason... I'd rather find out "why", get to the root of the problem vs. putting on a band aid. This is the problem with our entire health care system (in the US), our doctors are not trained to look for the cause they are trained to just treat the symptom! Also... so what happens next? Do you have to take these pills for the rest of your life? Here's a news flash... your daughter can't tolerate dairy because milk is for baby cows, not for human consumption. Do some research. Sorry if I sound harsh... I can't stand it when folks say "I was able to take this (insert product name here), and not change 'anything' about my diet..? Really? Good luck with that.
Oh dear child no...
Well, obviously this is my opinion.
There are also plenty of studies that say milk consumption is fine. So where does that leave us...?cushman5279 wrote: »Despite the hundreds of medical studies and white papers out there to prove it
Okay...cushman5279 wrote: »it's still my opinion and okay
Correct...cushman5279 wrote: »I am biased being in the holistic "food is medicine" field
One has nothing to do with the other...cushman5279 wrote: »But really, do we trust a product that claims a person can lose weight without changing anything about their diet? I don't think so....
So I went on a bit of a tirade... forgive me
Those milk studies you speak of are sponsored by the dairy industry and pushed by lobbyists who work for the dairy / pharma industries. People get sick, everyone gets paid.
I must be really lucky then...
Not luck. Your body had to adapt and figure out a way to digest it.
Once we're weaned from our mothers our body eliminates the digestive enzyme needed to break down milk sugars, we no longer need it. Humans are the only species that continue to consume milk from a different species so our bodies react in one of two ways.... either adapt with slight symptoms from time to time or become intolerant, which is why there are thousands and thousands of humans who are lactose intolerant. But hey, it's all good... just take a pill and keep consuming the dairy because we all know "Milk does a body good". And when you get side effects from that pill, keep drinking the milk and take another pill for that side effect... and so on, and so on...
The end
No. Here's a decent summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistenceMultiple studies indicate that the presence of the two phenotypes "lactase persistent" and "lactase nonpersistent (hypolactasia)" is genetically programmed, and that lactase persistence is not necessarily conditioned by the consumption of lactose after the suckling period.
The lactase persistent phenotype involves high mRNA expression, high lactase activity, and thus the ability to digest lactose, while the lactase nonpersistent phenotype involves low mRNA expression and low lactase activity.[5] The enzyme lactase is encoded by the gene LCT.
Many of us -- for example, most people whose ancestry is from northern and western Europe, as mine is -- are not lactose intolerant and have no negative reactions to dairy. I never have; I feel best when it's in my diet. It's one of the easiest foods for me to digest, even -- I find a yogurt a great pre morning workout meal, and back when I drank milk I'd have a glass of milk and a banana.
I didn't give up milk for any reason other than not particularly liking to drink calories. Now that I'm obsessed with smoothies for the moment I'd probably add it to the smoothies except I don't drink enough to justify buying it, so use lower cal coconut water. I consume lots of dairy in other forms.
I may or may not be a baby cow -- that is my personal business.13 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »
Correct...cushman5279 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »milkmaid1980 wrote: »For what it's worth, Plexus products have been life changing for my family. My husband suffered from chronic neck pain for 20 years and he is now almost pain free. That is the only change he made. He doesn't need to lose weight and doesn't take it for weight loss. My daughter couldn't tolerate gluten or dairy but after being on the probiotic for several months she can now eat anything the other kids can, and doesn't have daily stomach aches or headaches. I had tried lots of supplements and other brands of probiotics with no results. It's not a miracle cure but they are simply high quality supplements that really do help some people with chronic health issues. I think some people go overboard with promoting it. It's not a pyramid scheme, though. That is illegal.
This statement right here is what worries me. If my body is rejecting a type of food for some reason... I'd rather find out "why", get to the root of the problem vs. putting on a band aid. This is the problem with our entire health care system (in the US), our doctors are not trained to look for the cause they are trained to just treat the symptom! Also... so what happens next? Do you have to take these pills for the rest of your life? Here's a news flash... your daughter can't tolerate dairy because milk is for baby cows, not for human consumption. Do some research. Sorry if I sound harsh... I can't stand it when folks say "I was able to take this (insert product name here), and not change 'anything' about my diet..? Really? Good luck with that.
Oh dear child no...
Well, obviously this is my opinion.
There are also plenty of studies that say milk consumption is fine. So where does that leave us...?cushman5279 wrote: »Despite the hundreds of medical studies and white papers out there to prove it
Okay...cushman5279 wrote: »it's still my opinion and okay
Correct...cushman5279 wrote: »I am biased being in the holistic "food is medicine" field
One has nothing to do with the other...cushman5279 wrote: »But really, do we trust a product that claims a person can lose weight without changing anything about their diet? I don't think so....
So I went on a bit of a tirade... forgive me
Those milk studies you speak of are sponsored by the dairy industry and pushed by lobbyists who work for the dairy / pharma industries. People get sick, everyone gets paid.
I must be really lucky then...
Not luck. Your body had to adapt and figure out a way to digest it.
Once we're weaned from our mothers our body eliminates the digestive enzyme needed to break down milk sugars, we no longer need it. Humans are the only species that continue to consume milk from a different species so our bodies react in one of two ways.... either adapt with slight symptoms from time to time or become intolerant, which is why there are thousands and thousands of humans who are lactose intolerant. But hey, it's all good... just take a pill and keep consuming the dairy because we all know "Milk does a body good". And when you get side effects from that pill, keep drinking the milk and take another pill for that side effect... and so on, and so on...
The end
No. Here's a decent summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistenceMultiple studies indicate that the presence of the two phenotypes "lactase persistent" and "lactase nonpersistent (hypolactasia)" is genetically programmed, and that lactase persistence is not necessarily conditioned by the consumption of lactose after the suckling period.
The lactase persistent phenotype involves high mRNA expression, high lactase activity, and thus the ability to digest lactose, while the lactase nonpersistent phenotype involves low mRNA expression and low lactase activity.[5] The enzyme lactase is encoded by the gene LCT.
Many of us -- for example, most people whose ancestry is from northern and western Europe, as mine is -- are not lactose intolerant and have no negative reactions to dairy. I never have; I feel best when it's in my diet. It's one of the easiest foods for me to digest, even -- I find a yogurt a great pre morning workout meal, and back when I drank milk I'd have a glass of milk and a banana.
I didn't give up milk for any reason other than not particularly liking to drink calories. Now that I'm obsessed with smoothies for the moment I'd probably add it to the smoothies except I don't drink enough to justify buying it, so use lower cal coconut water. I consume lots of dairy in other forms.
I may or may not be a baby cow -- that is my personal business.
Damn you, I was "leading" to that with my comment. You stole my thunder.2 -
Sorry!1
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" I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?" - Robert Deniro in "Meet the Fockers
...sorry that's just what popped into my mind when I read this thread...
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Which somehow reminds me that another way to deal with lactose intolerance is to ferment the milk:
http://www.mongolfood.info/en/recipes/airag.html1 -
Re milk: I clearly have a Death Wish. I pour a glass of milk, add Whey Protein to it - and that's my breakfast. It's the one HEALTHY meal I have consumed daily for decades.....LOL!!! Oh - and my Doctor says I'm so stinking healthy - I need to "keep doing what I've been doing". So I guess I'll keep tempting fate.....1
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DoreenaV1975 wrote: »" I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?" - Robert Deniro in "Meet the Fockers
...sorry that's just what popped into my mind when I read this thread...
Whoever voted my post as "insightful"... TY, despite it's lack of insightfulness...
Unless of course that was a sarcastic vote... LOL
Wait! Can you vote sarcastically here?!?
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DoreenaV1975 wrote: »" I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?" - Robert Deniro in "Meet the Fockers
...sorry that's just what popped into my mind when I read this thread...DoreenaV1975 wrote: »" I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?" - Robert Deniro in "Meet the Fockers
...sorry that's just what popped into my mind when I read this thread...DoreenaV1975 wrote: »" I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?" - Robert Deniro in "Meet the Fockers
...sorry that's just what popped into my mind when I read this thread...
Hahaha! Love it! Jepetto- the little engine that could0 -
I am loving this milk debate btw. Even though it sort of derailed the post this is what people should do, educate themselves, look at the bigger picture is all. To each their own. Personally I am hooked on coconut milk0
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Milk lovers unite (fists in the air)
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I usually choose to drink the non-dairy alternatives because the organic cow's milk is more expensive than almond or coconut milk. This said, I do eat regular yogurt because, ironically, nut-milk or coconut-milk-based yogurt is more expensive than even the organic cow's-milk-based yogurt. But then, I usually buy the store-brand almond milk which is tasty, and 1/3d the price of the name brand stuff.0
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DoreenaV1975 wrote: »" I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?" - Robert Deniro in "Meet the Fockers
...sorry that's just what popped into my mind when I read this thread...
It's actually from Meet the Parents. One of my favorite movies, and that line gets quoted quite a lot in our house. Thanks for the smile this morning!0 -
DoreenaV1975 wrote: »" I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?" - Robert Deniro in "Meet the Fockers
...sorry that's just what popped into my mind when I read this thread...
It's actually from Meet the Parents. One of my favorite movies, and that line gets quoted quite a lot in our house. Thanks for the smile this morning!
Sorry that's what I meant...!0 -
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