Alcohol Calories?
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lemurcat12 wrote: »This little piggy had whiskey, this little piggy had gin, this little piggy went wee, wee, wee, all the way thin.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »This little piggy had whiskey, this little piggy had gin, this little piggy went wee, wee, wee, all the way thin.
Hehe... *hiccups*1 -
xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »
Your gonna hate me lol but I never said I eat 1200, I eat 1400-1500. I lose 6lbs a month eating what mfp sets me as well as wine. I really dont know why people have such a problem with that, iv said it works FOR ME!devil_in_a_blue_dress wrote: »I can determine it because im 40lbs lighter, I.didnt say it will work for everyone, I just answered the OPs question. Works for me and I always eat all the calories mpf sets for me with wine easily 500 calories on.top of that for 2 small glasses.
So you eat 1700 calories and not 1,200. Congratulations you've learned MFP sets calories low.
Im not deluded, im well aware as I get closer to goal I will need to revaluate but until then ill keep doing what im doing.
I would be willing to bet...based on my 20odd years of doing this, that if I ate those extra calories in fatty foods then I wouldnt lose 6lbs a month. If I was to give up wine or include it into my calories then I would fail, this works for me for now.
People on here are so techy and quite rude with their "OPINIONS" arnt they!
I completely agree with u I dont belive that alcohol calories are the same as food calories.
I think it might have something to do with alcohol making you wee more, alot of it probably gets weed out instead of being digested like food (excuse the bluntness haha) afterall isnt that what your kidneys are supposed to do- get rid of toxins as quickly as possible?
Just a theory?
The "wee" is water leaving your body. It doesn't magically eliminate calories. Your body can still process those.
Water that goes in clear and comes out yellow? Wee is definitely not just water!
I never said that it was "just" water. What I am challenging is your claim that you're eliminating "alot" of alcohol calories -- without using them -- when you urinate. Many people urinate more when they drink because alcohol is a diuretic. To conclude, as you have, that this means our body doesn't process the calories in alcohol, would be a mistake.
I am sorry genius but how do you know it is a "mistake"? Have u tested pee in a lab and concluded the results physically for yourself?
Until you can come at me with actual facts then your claims only have as much worth as mine do!
You're the one claiming that the calories in alcohol don't count because they are eliminated by our body without being processed. The person making the extraordinary claim is the one responsible for providing some type of documentation.
If you share what you're basing your claim on, I'll be happy to consider it. I'm not saying I'm automatically right. But I don't agree that all claims are of equal worth. Did YOU test urine in a lab before deciding that our bodies can't process the calories in alcohol? If not, why would you expect someone else to do so? This seems like a huge double standard.
It was just what I said initially- "a theory" I didn't once claim that was fact. Purely an opinion, which believe it or not everyone is entitled too!
And my OP stems from personal experience, which doesnt lie!
I didn't come here to argue with jumped up know it alls...
I have no idea why someone would argue for a theory that they didn't claim was factual. And if it isn't factual, then why say your personal experience doesn't "lie."
Personal experience can absolutely lie. We can be mistaken in our perceptions, there can be facts we aren't aware of influencing the outcome. We can misinterpret what happens. There are lots of ways in which using our personal experience to determine, factually, what is happening with our bodies (or the world) can mislead us.
If my "personal experience" is that my body does process the calories I consume and your "personal experience" is that your body doesn't process the calories you consume, we can't both say "Well, personal experience doesn't lie." There are things that are true, things that aren't true.
Why the insults though? Do you think it is possible to disagree with someone without insults?
You keep trying to contradict/ trip me up?
Every body is different, did you know that?
To the bolded... that's not really the case. The basic laws of thermodynamics which govern the energy balance, Calories In and Calories Out are the same for everyone. All calories count, whether they come from wine, cake, chicken, or broccoli. If you drank this weekend and didn't gain weight (yet) it doesn't mean that you won't see the impact on the scale in the next day or so. Additionally, it is your calorie total over time, so even though you may have over done it on an individual day, if you were still in a deficit for the week, you would not see an increase on the scale.
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This. So much to all of this.WinoGelato wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »
Your gonna hate me lol but I never said I eat 1200, I eat 1400-1500. I lose 6lbs a month eating what mfp sets me as well as wine. I really dont know why people have such a problem with that, iv said it works FOR ME!devil_in_a_blue_dress wrote: »I can determine it because im 40lbs lighter, I.didnt say it will work for everyone, I just answered the OPs question. Works for me and I always eat all the calories mpf sets for me with wine easily 500 calories on.top of that for 2 small glasses.
So you eat 1700 calories and not 1,200. Congratulations you've learned MFP sets calories low.
Im not deluded, im well aware as I get closer to goal I will need to revaluate but until then ill keep doing what im doing.
I would be willing to bet...based on my 20odd years of doing this, that if I ate those extra calories in fatty foods then I wouldnt lose 6lbs a month. If I was to give up wine or include it into my calories then I would fail, this works for me for now.
People on here are so techy and quite rude with their "OPINIONS" arnt they!
I completely agree with u I dont belive that alcohol calories are the same as food calories.
I think it might have something to do with alcohol making you wee more, alot of it probably gets weed out instead of being digested like food (excuse the bluntness haha) afterall isnt that what your kidneys are supposed to do- get rid of toxins as quickly as possible?
Just a theory?
The "wee" is water leaving your body. It doesn't magically eliminate calories. Your body can still process those.
Water that goes in clear and comes out yellow? Wee is definitely not just water!
I never said that it was "just" water. What I am challenging is your claim that you're eliminating "alot" of alcohol calories -- without using them -- when you urinate. Many people urinate more when they drink because alcohol is a diuretic. To conclude, as you have, that this means our body doesn't process the calories in alcohol, would be a mistake.
I am sorry genius but how do you know it is a "mistake"? Have u tested pee in a lab and concluded the results physically for yourself?
Until you can come at me with actual facts then your claims only have as much worth as mine do!
You're the one claiming that the calories in alcohol don't count because they are eliminated by our body without being processed. The person making the extraordinary claim is the one responsible for providing some type of documentation.
If you share what you're basing your claim on, I'll be happy to consider it. I'm not saying I'm automatically right. But I don't agree that all claims are of equal worth. Did YOU test urine in a lab before deciding that our bodies can't process the calories in alcohol? If not, why would you expect someone else to do so? This seems like a huge double standard.
It was just what I said initially- "a theory" I didn't once claim that was fact. Purely an opinion, which believe it or not everyone is entitled too!
And my OP stems from personal experience, which doesnt lie!
I didn't come here to argue with jumped up know it alls...
I have no idea why someone would argue for a theory that they didn't claim was factual. And if it isn't factual, then why say your personal experience doesn't "lie."
Personal experience can absolutely lie. We can be mistaken in our perceptions, there can be facts we aren't aware of influencing the outcome. We can misinterpret what happens. There are lots of ways in which using our personal experience to determine, factually, what is happening with our bodies (or the world) can mislead us.
If my "personal experience" is that my body does process the calories I consume and your "personal experience" is that your body doesn't process the calories you consume, we can't both say "Well, personal experience doesn't lie." There are things that are true, things that aren't true.
Why the insults though? Do you think it is possible to disagree with someone without insults?
You keep trying to contradict/ trip me up?
Every body is different, did you know that?
To the bolded... that's not really the case. The basic laws of thermodynamics which govern the energy balance, Calories In and Calories Out are the same for everyone. All calories count, whether they come from wine, cake, chicken, or broccoli. If you drank this weekend and didn't gain weight (yet) it doesn't mean that you won't see the impact on the scale in the next day or so. Additionally, it is your calorie total over time, so even though you may have over done it on an individual day, if you were still in a deficit for the week, you would not see an increase on the scale.
I will never understand why some think the basic law of thermodynamics does not apply to them.
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xjessicaxrx wrote: »So I know that people say that you need to log alcohol calories the same as you would food and account for it in your daily allowance, I maybe pushing my luck here but I dont think it works the same as food.
My start weight was 192lb im now at 148lb, I am 5ft 4 and I eat around 1300-1500 calories a day. I have drank alcohol most weekends without counting (sometimes stupid amounts- dont judge) and still lost weight just fine. This is providing that I dont eat loads of crap the day after when hungover.
I am just looking to see if this is the case for anyone else, or am I just odd?
Ok, one simple explanation for drinking not impacting your weight loss comes down to calories. While you may be within your calories, it's all an estimate, which is why weight loss is not linear and you don't drop a lb every time your calories hit 3500. You have to look at the longterm numbers.
What that means in the case of drinking is that you were probably running enough of a deficit over time that even with the alcohol calories, you were still in a deficit, which is why you lost weight. Yes, the weight loss was a little less, which could be a result of the calorie deficit being reduced, or a result of you having lost and your TDEE being reduced slightly. Either way, it's still weight loss, so there's a win.
Now, as far as whether alcohol calories being absorbed, it sounds like you are talking about alcohol oxidation. Your body does prioritize the oxidation of alcohol over proteins, carbs, and fat, and kind of puts your body in a mini-fast as it deals with the alcohol. Whether the amount of energy expended by the body to complete that process (it's different than how the body handles food) is enough to cancel out the calories from the alcohol, or if the result of that oxidation process creates usable energy for the body to use or store, I honestly can't say, but there does seem to be some research out there about it. You indicated an interest, so I would hit Google Scholar or add "pubmed" into the search box along with "alcohol oxidation" and see if anything there answers your questions.5 -
There's always 800 calories of cake flavored vodka!
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xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »xjessicaxrx wrote: »
Your gonna hate me lol but I never said I eat 1200, I eat 1400-1500. I lose 6lbs a month eating what mfp sets me as well as wine. I really dont know why people have such a problem with that, iv said it works FOR ME!devil_in_a_blue_dress wrote: »I can determine it because im 40lbs lighter, I.didnt say it will work for everyone, I just answered the OPs question. Works for me and I always eat all the calories mpf sets for me with wine easily 500 calories on.top of that for 2 small glasses.
So you eat 1700 calories and not 1,200. Congratulations you've learned MFP sets calories low.
Im not deluded, im well aware as I get closer to goal I will need to revaluate but until then ill keep doing what im doing.
I would be willing to bet...based on my 20odd years of doing this, that if I ate those extra calories in fatty foods then I wouldnt lose 6lbs a month. If I was to give up wine or include it into my calories then I would fail, this works for me for now.
People on here are so techy and quite rude with their "OPINIONS" arnt they!
I completely agree with u I dont belive that alcohol calories are the same as food calories.
I think it might have something to do with alcohol making you wee more, alot of it probably gets weed out instead of being digested like food (excuse the bluntness haha) afterall isnt that what your kidneys are supposed to do- get rid of toxins as quickly as possible?
Just a theory?
The "wee" is water leaving your body. It doesn't magically eliminate calories. Your body can still process those.
Water that goes in clear and comes out yellow? Wee is definitely not just water!
I never said that it was "just" water. What I am challenging is your claim that you're eliminating "alot" of alcohol calories -- without using them -- when you urinate. Many people urinate more when they drink because alcohol is a diuretic. To conclude, as you have, that this means our body doesn't process the calories in alcohol, would be a mistake.
I am sorry genius but how do you know it is a "mistake"? Have u tested pee in a lab and concluded the results physically for yourself?
Until you can come at me with actual facts then your claims only have as much worth as mine do!
You're the one claiming that the calories in alcohol don't count because they are eliminated by our body without being processed. The person making the extraordinary claim is the one responsible for providing some type of documentation.
If you share what you're basing your claim on, I'll be happy to consider it. I'm not saying I'm automatically right. But I don't agree that all claims are of equal worth. Did YOU test urine in a lab before deciding that our bodies can't process the calories in alcohol? If not, why would you expect someone else to do so? This seems like a huge double standard.
It was just what I said initially- "a theory" I didn't once claim that was fact. Purely an opinion, which believe it or not everyone is entitled too!
And my OP stems from personal experience, which doesnt lie!
I didn't come here to argue with jumped up know it alls...
Yes but your opinion is not factual at all and people are trying to explain why. It seems as though your not open to learning why and just want to believe that alcohol calories don't count like food calories( they do. They absolutely count)6 -
Bottle of wine about 500 kcal, btw. Long term weight loss stalled by all of 2-3oz.0
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I haven't counted my alcohol calories the last few weeks at all, and I drink 1-2x/week, at least a few drinks at a time. I'm still losing steadily at 2+ pounds a week, and I'm eating all of, or more than, my food calories every day. (I had buttered popcorn last night that I didn't log, and late night pizza the day before.) I also eat back exercise calories, IF I exercise.
I don't really care if it makes sense, or why, I'll take it!
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I'm too lazy to look it up but I think only 5% of alcohol is stored as fat, but the stored fat you would be burning while drinking is now stopped while your body uses the alcohol for energy.0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »This little piggy had whiskey, this little piggy had gin, this little piggy went wee, wee, wee, all the way thin.
This gave me a good belly laugh!!
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I know 3 alcoholics who drink boat loads of wine and spirits, but mostly wine. All 3 are skinny bean poles. Just the wine calories alone(not including food) would likely bump them over their tdee1
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Well iv lost 1lb so far this week, my official weigh in day is not until Saturday so that is faster than usual too!1
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I drink pretty heavily usually 1-2 times a week. Although on days I know I'll be drinking lots I tend to be stricter with my food calories during the day (partially cus it takes a lot less alcohol to get drunk when i don't have much food in my stomach.. which i'm aware isn't that great for me, but whatever) But whenever I drink lots, some wine/ 1.5 cups of vodka/a bunch of tequila shots my weight is usually 2 pounds less the next morning, which is nice to see. But after that i just goes back to normal and I lose throughout the rest of the week.
I did do an experiment in February where I only had like 1 drink/week to see if it would make much of a difference and I ended up losing 1 extra pound that month...so there is a difference, but not enough of a difference for me to care that much.1 -
I also enjoy "adult beverages" with my fav being vodka and Diet Coke. Mostly I only drink on Friday and Saturday and do track the calories (at least when I am at home). I pour more than my anticipated amount of alcohol into a measuring cup and then use that to make my drinks. I simply do the math to find out how much I actually consumed. I do notice that I am between 1 lb - 2 lbs lighter the next mornings. Then on Monday I seem to be back to normal and a loss doesn't show up again until around Wednesdays. For me I purposely avoid beer or any sugary mixers as I want the only extra calories to be from the actual alcohol. I do know some pretty skinny alcoholics though.2
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So you drink two bottles of wine, and then eat healthier than normal the next day, and wonder why you aren't gaining weight? The reason you see a weight gain the next day when you are eating a kabob, and not when it's just the wine is because when it's the kabob, it takes longer to go through your body, and you are seeing the weight from the actual food, plus the water weight your body is holding on to from all of the sodium. It's pretty basic stuff, and has nothing to do with alcohol calories vs food calories.1
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So you drink two bottles of wine, and then eat healthier than normal the next day, and wonder why you aren't gaining weight? The reason you see a weight gain the next day when you are eating a kabob, and not when it's just the wine is because when it's the kabob, it takes longer to go through your body, and you are seeing the weight from the actual food, plus the water weight your body is holding on to from all of the sodium. It's pretty basic stuff, and has nothing to do with alcohol calories vs food calories.
I never said that? And i didnt eat healthier on Sunday I had a big curry.1 -
xjessicaxrx wrote: »So you drink two bottles of wine, and then eat healthier than normal the next day, and wonder why you aren't gaining weight? The reason you see a weight gain the next day when you are eating a kabob, and not when it's just the wine is because when it's the kabob, it takes longer to go through your body, and you are seeing the weight from the actual food, plus the water weight your body is holding on to from all of the sodium. It's pretty basic stuff, and has nothing to do with alcohol calories vs food calories.
I never said that? And i didnt eat healthier on Sunday I had a big curry.
" I have drank alcohol most weekends without counting (sometimes stupid amounts- dont judge) and still lost weight just fine. This is providing that I dont eat loads of crap the day after when hungover."
Yeah just like you only drink once a month now. So many contradicting stories. again you are saying that provided that you don't go over your calories the next day you are still losing weight, just because you didn't count them doesn't mean they don't count...
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After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.2 -
After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.
People who eat breakfast tend to have a lower BMI too. That doesn't mean that the calories in breakfasts don't count. It simply means that they tend to eat less over the course of the entire day. The same could be true for those who drink moderately -- they may be eating less overall.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.
People who eat breakfast tend to have a lower BMI too. That doesn't mean that the calories in breakfasts don't count. It simply means that they tend to eat less over the course of the entire day. The same could be true for those who drink moderately -- they may be eating less overall.
Well all that tells me is ill be sure to eat breakfast in future :-)
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janejellyroll wrote: »After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.
People who eat breakfast tend to have a lower BMI too. That doesn't mean that the calories in breakfasts don't count. It simply means that they tend to eat less over the course of the entire day. The same could be true for those who drink moderately -- they may be eating less overall.
Well all that tells me is ill be sure to eat breakfast in future :-)
If it helps you consume fewer calories during the course of the day, then it will work. Otherwise it won't do that much for you. Just like moderately drinking will only result in a lower BMI if it results in your consuming fewer calories each day than you would otherwise.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.
People who eat breakfast tend to have a lower BMI too. That doesn't mean that the calories in breakfasts don't count. It simply means that they tend to eat less over the course of the entire day. The same could be true for those who drink moderately -- they may be eating less overall.
Well all that tells me is ill be sure to eat breakfast in future :-)
Correlation does not equal causation...3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.
People who eat breakfast tend to have a lower BMI too. That doesn't mean that the calories in breakfasts don't count. It simply means that they tend to eat less over the course of the entire day. The same could be true for those who drink moderately -- they may be eating less overall.
Well all that tells me is ill be sure to eat breakfast in future :-)
Correlation does not equal causation...
Hand me a dictionary lol!
Look whatever works for people works, iv managed to consume all my top end calories in food and have wine on top of that....and still lose 40lbs. Once that stops working I shall revaluate but I certainly wont be skimping on my food, that definitely comes first before wine!
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WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.
People who eat breakfast tend to have a lower BMI too. That doesn't mean that the calories in breakfasts don't count. It simply means that they tend to eat less over the course of the entire day. The same could be true for those who drink moderately -- they may be eating less overall.
Well all that tells me is ill be sure to eat breakfast in future :-)
Correlation does not equal causation...
Hand me a dictionary lol!
Look whatever works for people works, iv managed to consume all my top end calories in food and have wine on top of that....and still lose 40lbs. Once that stops working I shall revaluate but I certainly wont be skimping on my food, that definitely comes first before wine!
Don't get me wrong, I too regularly partake of a glass or two of wine, it didn't stop me from losing 30 lbs and it hasn't stopped me from successfully maintaining. But I'm not under the false pretense that wine calories don't count or that they can be disregarded altogether. I work the wine calories into my day.
The correlation vs causation reference is meant to say that just because people who eat breakfast have a lower BMI doesn't mean that eating breakfast causes the lower BMI. It means that at best it is a contributing factor but possibly totally coincidental...3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.
People who eat breakfast tend to have a lower BMI too. That doesn't mean that the calories in breakfasts don't count. It simply means that they tend to eat less over the course of the entire day. The same could be true for those who drink moderately -- they may be eating less overall.
Well all that tells me is ill be sure to eat breakfast in future :-)
Correlation does not equal causation...
Hand me a dictionary lol!
Look whatever works for people works, iv managed to consume all my top end calories in food and have wine on top of that....and still lose 40lbs. Once that stops working I shall revaluate but I certainly wont be skimping on my food, that definitely comes first before wine!
Don't get me wrong, I too regularly partake of a glass or two of wine, it didn't stop me from losing 30 lbs and it hasn't stopped me from successfully maintaining. But I'm not under the false pretense that wine calories don't count or that they can be disregarded altogether. I work the wine calories into my day.
The correlation vs causation reference is meant to say that just because people who eat breakfast have a lower BMI doesn't mean that eating breakfast causes the lower BMI. It means that at best it is a contributing factor but possibly totally coincidental...
I totally get that, but going back to my original point iv said that this works for ME!
Working alcohol calories into my daily allowance will only make me hungry, which will inevitably result in a fail and me eating the entire contents of the biscuit tin. Once I stop losing I will look at cutting out the vino, but until then I wont. I dont want to make changes that I cant possibly maintain when im at maintenance weight. But I get where u are coming from.
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.
People who eat breakfast tend to have a lower BMI too. That doesn't mean that the calories in breakfasts don't count. It simply means that they tend to eat less over the course of the entire day. The same could be true for those who drink moderately -- they may be eating less overall.
Well all that tells me is ill be sure to eat breakfast in future :-)
Correlation does not equal causation...
Hand me a dictionary lol!
Look whatever works for people works, iv managed to consume all my top end calories in food and have wine on top of that....and still lose 40lbs. Once that stops working I shall revaluate but I certainly wont be skimping on my food, that definitely comes first before wine!
Don't get me wrong, I too regularly partake of a glass or two of wine, it didn't stop me from losing 30 lbs and it hasn't stopped me from successfully maintaining. But I'm not under the false pretense that wine calories don't count or that they can be disregarded altogether. I work the wine calories into my day.
The correlation vs causation reference is meant to say that just because people who eat breakfast have a lower BMI doesn't mean that eating breakfast causes the lower BMI. It means that at best it is a contributing factor but possibly totally coincidental...
I totally get that, but going back to my original point iv said that this works for ME!
Working alcohol calories into my daily allowance will only make me hungry, which will inevitably result in a fail and me eating the entire contents of the biscuit tin. Once I stop losing I will look at cutting out the vino, but until then I wont. I dont want to make changes that I cant possibly maintain when im at maintenance weight. But I get where u are coming from.
So you are saying you are eating the full amount of your recommended calories, then drinking additional wine calories on top of that, and still losing according to the rate suggested by your deficit?0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »After I commented on this post I looked up and found a,few interesting articles on actual studies on this subject. dont ask me to post the link cos I already tried this and it didnt work and would need to search google to find it again which I cant b bothered to do. Look it up!
One study found that women who drank moderately (3 times weekly) actually had lower bmi than tee totallers after X amount of years.
Also I read the more alcohol u consume the better weight wise, people who just stick to one drink will be more likely to hold onto the calories versus someone who has 3 or 4 glasses.
I also know quite a few skinny winos, Iv worked with a few over the years lol.
Not sayin this is good for your liver but just sharing what I found.
I think theres definitely a grey area here, the diet police here just have a very hard time processing that.
People who eat breakfast tend to have a lower BMI too. That doesn't mean that the calories in breakfasts don't count. It simply means that they tend to eat less over the course of the entire day. The same could be true for those who drink moderately -- they may be eating less overall.
Well all that tells me is ill be sure to eat breakfast in future :-)
Correlation does not equal causation...
Hand me a dictionary lol!
Look whatever works for people works, iv managed to consume all my top end calories in food and have wine on top of that....and still lose 40lbs. Once that stops working I shall revaluate but I certainly wont be skimping on my food, that definitely comes first before wine!
Don't get me wrong, I too regularly partake of a glass or two of wine, it didn't stop me from losing 30 lbs and it hasn't stopped me from successfully maintaining. But I'm not under the false pretense that wine calories don't count or that they can be disregarded altogether. I work the wine calories into my day.
The correlation vs causation reference is meant to say that just because people who eat breakfast have a lower BMI doesn't mean that eating breakfast causes the lower BMI. It means that at best it is a contributing factor but possibly totally coincidental...
I totally get that, but going back to my original point iv said that this works for ME!
Working alcohol calories into my daily allowance will only make me hungry, which will inevitably result in a fail and me eating the entire contents of the biscuit tin. Once I stop losing I will look at cutting out the vino, but until then I wont. I dont want to make changes that I cant possibly maintain when im at maintenance weight. But I get where u are coming from.
So you are saying you are eating the full amount of your recommended calories, then drinking additional wine calories on top of that, and still losing according to the rate suggested by your deficit?
Yes, im now on 1400 calories a day, I was on 1700 at the beginning. I lose 6lbs a month on average. 7 this month. I probably have 3 or 4 bottles of dry white wine per week. Special occasions alot more. This isnt a brand new discovery.....iv always lost weight without having to cut out wine when iv needed to. Im surprised its such a taboo subject on here, most of my friends dont bother to count calories in alcohol.....probably for same reason as me, that it wasent the wine that got them fat in the first place.
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I skipped from page 1 to 4 but I too have drank as I am I trying to lose weight. It is possible as long as you are in deficit. When I was younger the alcohol wasn't as much of a factor because I walked to the alcohol, danced most of the night even if it was with a drink in my hand & then walked home. Getting driven & sitting on a bar stool rather than dancing have contributed to the weight gain.
I drink less then I used to. I try to make smarter choices -- wine vs. the large pina colada -- and try to remember I'm trying to adopt a healthier lifestyle.
I will admit that I have wondered how a substance (alcohol) that doesn't stay in the body that long though peeing a lot -- can have such long term net calorie gain. I understand it does -- the "beer belly" for example -- but it seems odd.1
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