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FDA approves stomach pump
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JanetYellen wrote: »Takes 10 minutes draining process?
In the bathroom toilet?
Golden Corrall and other all you can eat places will have special stalls in the future.
Next to the transgender toilet.
Soundproof so you can't hear the goop falling in the toilet.
Everyone will have these.
Imagine how awesome to spend a day at an all you can eat place.
You can eat everything 10 times over.
I would use all the uses in just a couple of weeks.
Couples could get these together. Talk about date night.
This is wrong on too many levels.1 -
I think I just threw up 30% in my mouth - no pump required2
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JanetYellen wrote: »Takes 10 minutes draining process?
In the bathroom toilet?
Golden Corrall and other all you can eat places will have special stalls in the future.
Next to the transgender toilet.
Soundproof so you can't hear the goop falling in the toilet.
Everyone will have these.
Imagine how awesome to spend a day at an all you can eat place.
You can eat everything 10 times over.
I would use all the uses in just a couple of weeks.
Couples could get these together. Talk about date night.
Wow! Very offensive. Especially on a weight loss forum. Adds nothing to the debate but nastiness.
I doubt I would do this but I wouldn't judge people if they chose to. I have thought about surgery and wouldn't hesitate if counting calories didn't work. I have an open mind to weight loss interventions. I would rather someone have surgical intervention than dying from their obesity. Counting calories should work for all but it doesn't.
I sincerely hope that anyone who is considering the pump never sees this thread.4 -
If it works and it's safe, it could be a good thing.0
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This has bad idea written all over it. They'll be handing these things out left and right no doubt. That port makes me even more nervous than getting cut open for normal gastric surgery.0
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This has bad idea written all over it. They'll be handing these things out left and right no doubt. That port makes me even more nervous than getting cut open for normal gastric surgery.
I'm guessing you don't know much about g-tubes. They are quite safe. Lots of people live with them permanently for medical problems.1 -
I'm just thinking out loud here.Tweaking_Time wrote: »I think I just threw up 30% in my mouth - no pump required
This kind of brings up a good point. Would we ever prescribe purging as a response to morbid obesity? Then again, maybe some of the consequences of self administered purging would be alleviated by this. Also, this device governs it, which would be difficult to teach to someone. I just don't know.
I have mixed feelings about this because I feel that I don't have all the parameters to make an informed decision. I can see @NorthCascades point. I can also see everyone else's. I am inclined to go to my default of allowing the patient to take the responsibility for the choice and the consequences of that choice.0 -
This is one of those thing that just because you can, doesn't mean you should! How can this possibly help anyone?!0
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It's not easy for some to simply not put the calories in their stomach. I'll admit I don't really understand the struggle with obesity but I do understand that it is a very real struggle for some.0 -
NorthCascades wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »@NorthCascades I have been through eating disorder treatment many times ...
This treatment is only going to be available to people with a BMI of 35+. I don't know how tall you are, but you probably do. Go find a BMI calculator and see how much you'd have to weigh to achieve that.
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Not a whole lot. At 5'5 my BMI would be 35 at 211 pounds. So, we're not exactly talking about housebound folks here.1 -
I think the whole thing upsets me because of the waste more than anything. I don't understand people going to have themselves surgically altered so they can waste food while people go hungry every day. It's mind boggling to me.3
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Maybe instead of pouring the food out of their stomachs and into the toilet, they should mail it to hungry people in other countries.
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Seems a little excessive to be honest0
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NorthCascades wrote: »Maybe instead of pouring the food out of their stomachs and into the toilet, they should mail it to hungry people in other countries.
Please tell me you meant prior to eating it. Otherwise ... eww.
It does remind me when I was a little kid and my friends' parents would tell me I needed to clean my plate because there were starving children in Africa (or wherever). I always told them we should box up my plate and send it 'cause I didn't want it. They never knew quite how to respond to that other than to get angry and tell me to quit the back talk.
I was a mouthy little brat
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HorrorGeekLiz wrote: »I think the whole thing upsets me because of the waste more than anything. I don't understand people going to have themselves surgically altered so they can waste food while people go hungry every day. It's mind boggling to me.
The two are unrelated. If they simply choose to not eat the food, that food will not magically be transported to a hungry person.0 -
Please tell me you meant prior to eating it. Otherwise ... eww.
I didn't, but I was responding to the comment directly above me, lamenting the waste when there are hungry people in the world. This was my tongue-in-cheek way of saying that people using this stomach pump didn't cause starvation in war torn countries and aren't contributing to it by using this device.0 -
It makes me cringe.0
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I've long said someone should start a business where they have a team of people to follow folks around 24/7 and swat food out of their hands. It would be cheaper and safer and more effective than most medical interventions.1 -
I've long said someone should start a business where they have a team of people to follow folks around 24/7 and swat food out of their hands. It would be cheaper and safer and more effective than most medical interventions.
Didn't Oprah Winfrey have something like that with the trainer (his name escapes me now) she could afford it and lost weight. He left and the weight came back.
No learning happened.2 -
This is so disgusting. Like this is a new low we have reached as a society if you ask me. A device to drain your stomach after you eat?????Sounds to me like bulimia. Spilling your food out of your stomach into the toilet after you eat it is an eating disorder.0
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Nearly every post I've read in this thread is based on emotional reaction alone. If it's just not for you, if you morally object, if it grosses you out, if it'd cause you to relapse into your previous diagnosed ED, no problem. Don't ever consider it as an option.
As for posts assuming it's a permanent medical device with a high unsupervised abuse potential, it is not:Patients require frequent monitoring by a health care provider to shorten the tube as they lose weight and abdominal girth, so that the disk remains flush against their skin. Frequent medical visits are also necessary to monitor device use and weight loss and to provide counseling on lifestyle therapies. The device also has a safety feature that keeps track of the number of times the drain tube is connected to the port and automatically stops working after 115 cycles (approximately five to six weeks of therapy); patients must return for a medical visit to get a replacement part for the device in order to continue the therapy. This safety feature helps ensure patients use the device properly during therapy.
Source: http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm506625.htm
This is not a "fix it and forget it" surgical procedure. Sounds to me like it's a far more comprehensive, with far more frequent, continued, and hands one medical intervention post-op, than any other current physician assisted weight loss program.
From a medical standpoint, I think it is wonderful news. I'm happy to hear it was approved as now there's one more tool in the kit for medical professionals for those who meet the criteria and pass the vetting process without resorting to permanent surgical intervention.
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It is not mechanical bulimia. You can't just eat and purge you have to spend time to chew your food to pump your stomach. If you eat and flush too often you will not be able to connect the device to your stomach. If you try to use it as mechanical bulimia you will gain weight because it empties a 3rd. of your stomach. Also your stomach will stretch causing pressure and some pain because you are streching the tube (its cut to lay flat on your belly) that will force you to lose weight to stop that feeling. The device was not made for binging and purging anyone with that mindset shouldn't use it.0
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Bulimia for everyone!0
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GuineaKitty wrote: »It is not mechanical bulimia. You can't just eat and purge you have to spend time to chew your food to pump your stomach. If you eat and flush too often you will not be able to connect the device to your stomach. If you try to use it as mechanical bulimia you will gain weight because it empties a 3rd. of your stomach. Also your stomach will stretch causing pressure and some pain because you are streching the tube (its cut to lay flat on your belly) that will force you to lose weight to stop that feeling. The device was not made for binging and purging anyone with that mindset shouldn't use it.
Bulimics don't chew their food???0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »[
Bulimics don't chew their food???
I'm not bulimic so I'm not sure how much they chew. But Again if someone tries to use the device for that they are setting themselves up for failure. If you have an eating disorder or history of it you can't get the device.
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singingflutelady wrote: »I just don't see how it will help anyone except during the months it is in place. It can be life saving for a bit but shouldn't we be concerned with long term success? I guess the problem is so new they haven't figured it out yet. Back in the day they used to put lots of anorexics on feeding tubes to gain weight quickly but they realized that most will just lose it quickly after it is stopped because it didn't teach them anything. Now they only use them short term and if you were so sick you will die tomorrow if you didn't have one.
So yeah implant it in near death morbidly obese but know it is only a quick fix and the likelihood that they'll become as big if not bigger or develop bulimia (which can very well be deadly) is high. Once that happens I guess it's back to doctor approved purging.
Even most of the morbidly obese are hardly "near death". They are at significantly higher risk relative to the general population, but their absolute risk is still not incredibly high. It's like smoking - smoking definitely greatly increases risk of lung cancer, but even so, the vast majority of lifelong smokers will never get cancer.
Losing weight is definitely a major health improvement that the morbidly obese can make, but most aren't in imminent danger of rapid death.0 -
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