are squats overrated?
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cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »
This is probably why power lifters are always boasting about how much they can leg press....
The squat is a full body compound movement...the leg press just works the legs...they both have their place, but I can guarantee you that someone doing 300 Lbs on a leg press won't come close to that on a squat...but someone who can squat 300 Lbs will be able to press much more than that on a leg press.
No powerlifters usually squat which is why they are generally weaker overall than the guys on the leg press doing 8 plates.
The guy doing the press isn't going to be able to squat what the guy squatting, squats...the guy squatting will generally easily be able to press more than the guy pressing...the guy squatting is going to be overall stronger and more powerful.
How can he press more than the guy pressing if he only squats? If he's moving less weight, is he truly stronger?1 -
Necessity? No.
Ideal? Absolutely.
I've never seen small legs on anyone squatting 400lbs.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »
This is probably why power lifters are always boasting about how much they can leg press....
The squat is a full body compound movement...the leg press just works the legs...they both have their place, but I can guarantee you that someone doing 300 Lbs on a leg press won't come close to that on a squat...but someone who can squat 300 Lbs will be able to press much more than that on a leg press.
No powerlifters usually squat which is why they are generally weaker overall than the guys on the leg press doing 8 plates.
The guy doing the press isn't going to be able to squat what the guy squatting, squats...the guy squatting will generally easily be able to press more than the guy pressing...the guy squatting is going to be overall stronger and more powerful.
How can he press more than the guy pressing if he only squats? If he's moving less weight, is he truly stronger?
what? squats are a different exercise than leg presses. Squats are FULL BODY , leg presses are not. the amt of weight you move isn't always a measurement of strength, especially when you are comparing two different exercises1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »
This is probably why power lifters are always boasting about how much they can leg press....
The squat is a full body compound movement...the leg press just works the legs...they both have their place, but I can guarantee you that someone doing 300 Lbs on a leg press won't come close to that on a squat...but someone who can squat 300 Lbs will be able to press much more than that on a leg press.
No powerlifters usually squat which is why they are generally weaker overall than the guys on the leg press doing 8 plates.
The guy doing the press isn't going to be able to squat what the guy squatting, squats...the guy squatting will generally easily be able to press more than the guy pressing...the guy squatting is going to be overall stronger and more powerful.
How can he press more than the guy pressing if he only squats? If he's moving less weight, is he truly stronger?
what? squats are a different exercise than leg presses. Squats are FULL BODY , leg presses are not.
If you need your full body to move less weight, how can you be stronger than the guy on the leg press?0 -
i can push a 10,000 pound car down the street, does that make me stronger than the guy that can bench press 350 pounds?0
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lazsommer, just keep leg pressing you'll get stronger than everyone in the world, good luck to you.0
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lazsommer, just keep leg pressing you'll get stronger than everyone in the world, good luck to you.
I already am stronger than most people because I do crossfit. They don't have a leg press at my box (a special crossfit gym if you didn't know that), so I have a dual membership at Planet Fitness to use their leg press machine.2 -
For me they are not overrated. I believe the barbell squats I do as part of my workouts have contributed to my being able to run better, specifically hills. I am a 48 year old, 125 lb, grandma who regularly squats 105 lb. and sometimes maxes out at 125 lb that loves to run! That's not earth shattering but I'm proud of it!3
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No. Just no. Squats in the smith machine? I'm almost afraid to even lean on the smith machine out of fear it'll try to force my ROM in an unnatural manner.1 -
lazsommer, just keep leg pressing you'll get stronger than everyone in the world, good luck to you.
I already am stronger than most people because I do crossfit. They don't have a leg press at my box (a special crossfit gym if you didn't know that), so I have a dual membership at Planet Fitness to use their leg press machine.
I bet they have a squat rack at your box though. Planet Fitness is not a gym son it doesn't have things like squat racks that intimidate people. They just have nice purple machines with a pin and weight stack to do leg presses1 -
LazSommer is just trolling you guys. Geezus2
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Somebody thinks @BreezeDoveal is a role model.
I'd say some people overrate squats. They are not the best exercise for everyone in every situation. However, their benefits are so widely applicable to various fitness and sport goals, odds are they are a good choice if you are capable of doing them correctly which is why they are a default foundation exercise.2 -
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Somebody thinks @BreezeDoveal is a role model.
I'd say some people overrate squats. They are not the best exercise for everyone in every situation. However, their benefits are so widely applicable to various fitness and sport goals, odds are they are a good choice if you are capable of doing them correctly which is why they are a default foundation exercise.
Squats should only be done while bulking. THat's why high frequency squatting is the bulkarian method.
Nothing better than traditional bulkarian home cooking to complement squats.
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Cherimoose wrote: »
Weird, I have. Quite often actually.2 -
The main downside I see to squats (and deadlifts) is that they soak up a lot of energy (during work out and recovery), meaning less for muscle groups that aren't involved in these exercises (chest, triceps, biceps, deltoids) - the ones most guys are interested in focusing on.0
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hamlet1222 wrote: »The main downside I see to squats (and deadlifts) is that they soak up a lot of energy (during work out and recovery), meaning less for muscle groups that aren't involved in these exercises (chest, triceps, biceps, deltoids) - the ones most guys are interested in focusing on.
So better to skip legs day then?0 -
amyrebeccah wrote: »hamlet1222 wrote: »The main downside I see to squats (and deadlifts) is that they soak up a lot of energy (during work out and recovery), meaning less for muscle groups that aren't involved in these exercises (chest, triceps, biceps, deltoids) - the ones most guys are interested in focusing on.
Not trying to tell anyone how to run things, but couldn't they just do those upper-body exercises first?
Or on another day like so many programs.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »
This is probably why power lifters are always boasting about how much they can leg press....
The squat is a full body compound movement...the leg press just works the legs...they both have their place, but I can guarantee you that someone doing 300 Lbs on a leg press won't come close to that on a squat...but someone who can squat 300 Lbs will be able to press much more than that on a leg press.
No powerlifters usually squat which is why they are generally weaker overall than the guys on the leg press doing 8 plates.
The guy doing the press isn't going to be able to squat what the guy squatting, squats...the guy squatting will generally easily be able to press more than the guy pressing...the guy squatting is going to be overall stronger and more powerful.
How can he press more than the guy pressing if he only squats? If he's moving less weight, is he truly stronger?
Trolls gonna troll...
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hamlet1222 wrote: »The main downside I see to squats (and deadlifts) is that they soak up a lot of energy (during work out and recovery), meaning less for muscle groups that aren't involved in these exercises (chest, triceps, biceps, deltoids) - the ones most guys are interested in focusing on.
One should prioritize exercises in a workout. Squats and deadlifts will provide so much more bang the buck in overall strength and muscle growth than isolation exercises for the biceps, triceps and delts.1 -
lazsommer, just keep leg pressing you'll get stronger than everyone in the world, good luck to you.
I already am stronger than most people because I do crossfit. They don't have a leg press at my box (a special crossfit gym if you didn't know that), so I have a dual membership at Planet Fitness to use their leg press machine.
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hamlet1222 wrote: »Don't have any specific criticisms of squats, just didn't find them as 'life-changing' as others seem to, and found fast short-distance running and cycling just as good for building up legs
Squats do not just build up your legs.
If you are using sufficient weight, squats are a compound lift that put stress on and build up the strength in your upper & lower back, spinal erectors, abdominals, hips, quads, hamstrings, calves and glutes.
So, they are not an isolation movement for the legs only and, if that's all you're interested in, you can certainly dispense w/them but, if you're interested in developong overall body strength, I don't think you can do w/o them.
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hamlet1222 wrote: »The main downside I see to squats (and deadlifts) is that they soak up a lot of energy (during work out and recovery), meaning less for muscle groups that aren't involved in these exercises (chest, triceps, biceps, deltoids) - the ones most guys are interested in focusing on.
Maybe, but the majority of guys and gals that I know (and some that have responded in this thread) are interested in overall strength and that includes squats and deadz. Both have gotten me (and others I've talked to) stronger overall, lower body AND upper body.
Past most beginner programs you'll not see upper and lower on the same day.2 -
Cherimoose wrote: »
Weird, I have. Quite often actually.
Yep, same here. And what, pray tell, is your definition of an enormous amount of weight. Because that's subjective.0 -
hamlet1222 wrote: »The main downside I see to squats (and deadlifts) is that they soak up a lot of energy (during work out and recovery), meaning less for muscle groups that aren't involved in these exercises (chest, triceps, biceps, deltoids) - the ones most guys are interested in focusing on.
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