Plant based nutrition and weight loss

stylistchicky wrote: »

elphie754 wrote: »

stylistchicky wrote: »

elphie754 wrote: »

stylistchicky wrote: »

Okay....well I am out. I should have known better to say anything even in a PLANT BASED NUTRITION FEED about milk. Fine...drink your milk. I dont care. I was addressing a plant based human. AGAIN the hormones in milk make MY hormone fed "disease" worse in pain, swelling and tumor growth. As others stated anyone can find anything to support either side. We learned how to do this in debate class in high school.
I transitioned a year ago....so did my then husband. We BOTH noticed significant changes.. he is a bodybuilder and leaned out...big time. My mom gave up dairy and lost weight and her tummy pooch. My CANCER doctors at the Mayo Clinic advise not to eat dairy. They are the best in the country...and have thousands of patients that turned away from dairy and only found benefits. These are our experiences with a non dairy lifestyle.
By all means if you are offended by people having health benefits from giving up dairy....take a milk bath, while drinking a milkshake and eating a pizza with extra cheese, followed by a milk enema so you can have dairy coming out of your pores. I don't care. Do it and be blessed by it. Get dairy swole!

Ever hear of the "appeal to authority" fallacy? This is a really clear example.

I never claimed to be the authority on the subject. Where is the proof of such claim?

"An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form: Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S. Person A makes claim C about subject S. Therefore, C is true."

By saying that your doctor (and trying to make your doctor seem like an expert so they must be right) you are attempting to appeal to authority.

Edit-typo

I know what the term means. I tend to trust my doctors at the Mayo Clinic as a reputable source...considering he is a expert on the affects of unnecessary hormones in the body. I am coming from my experience, my ex husband, thousands of other patience of the Mayo Clinic, friends and family as reference in my life. If you can't handle that...then I don't know what to tell you. There is definitely an addiction to dairy in the American Standard diet that is unexplainable really. The only way you can know, is if you try it yourself. I suggest it...but I am literally a nobody on a message board who has had major health benefits from abstaining from dairy.
Like I said....drink milk straight from the cows tit for all I care. I was speaking directly too a fellow plant based diet person. I am going to enjoy a plant based dinner with family and friends now. Have a great evening and many blessings on your journey to become more healthy and fit...however you feel is best for your body.

For what it's worth, my late husband's oncologists (cancer doctors) told him his lifelong, heavy dairy use may have contributed to his prostate cancer -- and they also told him to stop all dairy.

PennWalker wrote: »

stylistchicky wrote: »

elphie754 wrote: »

stylistchicky wrote: »

elphie754 wrote: »

stylistchicky wrote: »

Okay....well I am out. I should have known better to say anything even in a PLANT BASED NUTRITION FEED about milk. Fine...drink your milk. I dont care. I was addressing a plant based human. AGAIN the hormones in milk make MY hormone fed "disease" worse in pain, swelling and tumor growth. As others stated anyone can find anything to support either side. We learned how to do this in debate class in high school.
I transitioned a year ago....so did my then husband. We BOTH noticed significant changes.. he is a bodybuilder and leaned out...big time. My mom gave up dairy and lost weight and her tummy pooch. My CANCER doctors at the Mayo Clinic advise not to eat dairy. They are the best in the country...and have thousands of patients that turned away from dairy and only found benefits. These are our experiences with a non dairy lifestyle.
By all means if you are offended by people having health benefits from giving up dairy....take a milk bath, while drinking a milkshake and eating a pizza with extra cheese, followed by a milk enema so you can have dairy coming out of your pores. I don't care. Do it and be blessed by it. Get dairy swole!

Ever hear of the "appeal to authority" fallacy? This is a really clear example.

I never claimed to be the authority on the subject. Where is the proof of such claim?

"An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form: Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S. Person A makes claim C about subject S. Therefore, C is true."

By saying that your doctor (and trying to make your doctor seem like an expert so they must be right) you are attempting to appeal to authority.

Edit-typo

I know what the term means. I tend to trust my doctors at the Mayo Clinic as a reputable source...considering he is a expert on the affects of unnecessary hormones in the body. I am coming from my experience, my ex husband, thousands of other patience of the Mayo Clinic, friends and family as reference in my life. If you can't handle that...then I don't know what to tell you. There is definitely an addiction to dairy in the American Standard diet that is unexplainable really. The only way you can know, is if you try it yourself. I suggest it...but I am literally a nobody on a message board who has had major health benefits from abstaining from dairy.
Like I said....drink milk straight from the cows tit for all I care. I was speaking directly too a fellow plant based diet person. I am going to enjoy a plant based dinner with family and friends now. Have a great evening and many blessings on your journey to become more healthy and fit...however you feel is best for your body.

For what it's worth, my late husband's oncologists (cancer doctors) told him his lifelong, heavy dairy use may have contributed to his prostate cancer -- and they also told him to stop all dairy.

High calcium intake (not just dairy) is implicated in prostate cancer, so that makes sense. On the other hand, it is associated in a beneficial way with some other cancers, for example colon cancer. Here's one of many sources, from a generally dairy-skeptical (in part due to sat fat) source in general:

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/#calcium-from-milk

Oh, I didn't notice you'd said late husband. I'm very sorry for your loss.

elphie754 wrote: »

cerise_noir wrote: »

elphie754 wrote: »

littlechiaseed wrote: »

elphie754 wrote: »

littlechiaseed wrote: »

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »

stylistchicky wrote: »

I am mostly plant based...NO DAIRY. Did you know humans should not consume dairy products? That aside milk has more hormonal side effects than soy IMO. I have a disorder that is forever progressive, especially with extra estrogen present in my system. Giving up dairy products has almost completely helped that situation. Less pain and tumor growth has shrunk and less swelling in said tumors. I eat Silk soy yogurt 2 or 3 times a week and it doesn't bother me...cashew milk for shakes. There is nut milk yogurt that I will switch to if the soy becomes a problem. Have you tried Almond yogurt?
Try researching dairy and hormones. Did you know humans are the only species to drink milk once weaned from mom.
The Silk Yogurt is NON GMO certified, (some flavors may not be though) which is more strict than USDA Organic.
BTW to the person that said "soy is ok...no research shows soy to be a problem."
98% of Soy in the US is GMO. Soy indeed does produce estrogen in the body and men should stay away from it. My doctors at the Mayo Clinic informed me of this. Although as stated above I am starting to believe dairy is worse....its loaded with hormones.

What a load of nonsense, most animals will drink milk given a chance, they just can't process it to do so. We can.

Can you provide links to some of the "Research" you have read on this as I'm being honest here, I've not seen or read any?

What do you mean "we can"? Most people are lactose intolerant to a degree, only few people can process it. It's natural for that ability to go away after infancy.

Source for that?

Look it up. Try www.google.com you can find tons of info on just about anything.

You were the one who made the claim, so you should be able to cite your source, unless that source doesn't exist and you just made it up.


Also-while Google is great for somethings, research is not one of them.

littlechiaseed wrote: »

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »

littlechiaseed wrote: »

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »

stylistchicky wrote: »

I am mostly plant based...NO DAIRY. Did you know humans should not consume dairy products? That aside milk has more hormonal side effects than soy IMO. I have a disorder that is forever progressive, especially with extra estrogen present in my system. Giving up dairy products has almost completely helped that situation. Less pain and tumor growth has shrunk and less swelling in said tumors. I eat Silk soy yogurt 2 or 3 times a week and it doesn't bother me...cashew milk for shakes. There is nut milk yogurt that I will switch to if the soy becomes a problem. Have you tried Almond yogurt?
Try researching dairy and hormones. Did you know humans are the only species to drink milk once weaned from mom.
The Silk Yogurt is NON GMO certified, (some flavors may not be though) which is more strict than USDA Organic.
BTW to the person that said "soy is ok...no research shows soy to be a problem."
98% of Soy in the US is GMO. Soy indeed does produce estrogen in the body and men should stay away from it. My doctors at the Mayo Clinic informed me of this. Although as stated above I am starting to believe dairy is worse....its loaded with hormones.

What a load of nonsense, most animals will drink milk given a chance, they just can't process it to do so. We can.

Can you provide links to some of the "Research" you have read on this as I'm being honest here, I've not seen or read any?

What do you mean "we can"? Most people are lactose intolerant to a degree, only few people can process it. It's natural for that ability to go away after infancy.

I meant process the milk as in milk a cow/goat/sheep etc.

But your claim is interesting, where did you read that most of the human population is lactose intolerant?

Go to google and just type in humans and lactose intolerence. You'll find lots of sources. Take your pick.

I could google aliens living among us and find a ton of pages supporting that, it doesn't make it true. Google is not a reliable source for research.

I googled "are cats aliens" one night (that involved beer). That search was the best search of my life.

Great.... Now you have me googling it. Lol.

http://messybeast.com/moggycat/cat-greeblings.htm

And

http://catalienconspiracy.com/

stylistchicky wrote: »

I am mostly plant based...NO DAIRY. Did you know humans should not consume dairy products? That aside milk has more hormonal side effects than soy IMO. I have a disorder that is forever progressive, especially with extra estrogen present in my system. Giving up dairy products has almost completely helped that situation. Less pain and tumor growth has shrunk and less swelling in said tumors. I eat Silk soy yogurt 2 or 3 times a week and it doesn't bother me...cashew milk for shakes. There is nut milk yogurt that I will switch to if the soy becomes a problem. Have you tried Almond yogurt?
Try researching dairy and hormones. Did you know humans are the only species to drink milk once weaned from mom.
The Silk Yogurt is NON GMO certified, (some flavors may not be though) which is more strict than USDA Organic.
BTW to the person that said "soy is ok...no research shows soy to be a problem."
98% of Soy in the US is GMO. Soy indeed does produce estrogen in the body and men should stay away from it. My doctors at the Mayo Clinic informed me of this. Although as stated above I am starting to believe dairy is worse....its loaded with hormones.

If i had to choose between avoiding soy or dairy, i would choose soy! It all depends on who or what you choose to believe..

... "The ability to digest
lactose during the period of breast-feeding is essential to the health of the infant as demonstrated by
congenital lactase deficiency that is fatal if not recognized very early after birth. However, following the
first few months of life, lactase activity starts to decrease (lactase non-persistence). In most humans, this
activity declines following weaning to undetectable levels as a consequence of the normal maturational
down-regulation of lactase expression [1]. The exceptions to this rule are the descendants of populations
that traditionally practice cattle domestication maintain the ability to digest milk and other dairy products
into adulthood. The frequency of this “lactase persistence trait” is high in northern European populations
(>90% in Scandinavia and Holland), decreases in frequency across southern Europe and the Middle East
(~50% in Spain, Italy and pastoralist Arab populations) and is low in Asia and most of Africa (~1% in
Chinese, ~5%–20% in West African agriculturalists); although it is common in pastoralist populations
from Africa (~90% in Tutsi, ~50% in Fulani)." ...

Source: Swallow, D.M. Genetics of lactase persistence and lactose intolerance. Ann. Rev. Genet. 2003, 37,
197–219.

Referred to in Lactose Intolerance in Adults: Biological Mechanism and
Dietary Management

Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »

If the government is trying to cover up the ill effects of dairy in order to make money off of us, then what about countries with socialized medicine? Wouldn't those countries lose money if dairy were making people sick, and they would try to dissuade their citizens from ingesting it?

Or are they in on the conspiracy as well?

IIRC, the Canadian Dairy Commission which regulates the price of dairy is run by the government.

When I googled for "plant foods high in protein" it gave me this:

Quinoa. Protein: 8 grams per 1 cup serving, cooked. ...
Buckwheat. Protein: 6 grams per 1 cup serving, cooked. ...
Soy. Protein: 10 grams per ½ cup serving (firm tofu), 15 grams per ½ cup serving (tempeh), 15 grams per ½ cup serving (natto) ...
Mycoprotein (Quorn) ...
Rice and Beans. ...
Ezekiel Bread. ...
Seitan. ...
Hummus and Pita.
More items...
Complete Proteins Vegetarians Need to Know About | Greatist
greatist.com/health/complete-vegetarian-proteinsGreatist

janejellyroll wrote: »

lemurcat12 wrote: »

I'm not really sure how the US gov't is making money from dairy, but beats taxes, I guess.

Also, I knew it was Obama's fault. It's always Obama.

If dairy truly does make us sick, I would think the government would want us to have *less* of it because health care expenses are a huge part of our budget. Unless they somehow make money by spending it (this is probably phase II of the conspiracy theory).

Either way, you know Obama is behind it all.

Well, if you Google Image search "politicians drinking milk," there are none, so that must mean something is up:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=930&q=politicians+drinking+milk&oq=politicians+drinking+milk&gs_l=img.3...2208.6244.0.6489.25.19.0.6.3.0.132.2117.3j16.19.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.21.2032...0j0i30k1j0i5i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.auCzJCbLP9k

But here is a picture of Joe Biden eating ice cream:



Obvious PR photo to get people to consume more dairy, though. He's rolling in all the cash that was made off of this one photo, I bet.