Belly Fat Question

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  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    edited September 2016
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    skidoodk wrote: »
    Belly fat is weird I beat cancer about 10 years ago and lost a lot of weight during treatment 6'2" 185 in shape went 135 and still had a little belly only place on my body

    When I first met my husband and he was only148 pounds, he still had a belly. Now he still has one at 190 pounds, but it isn't as obvious as when he was skinny everywhere but the belly.

    Yeah, maybe I should just start bulking and see where that leads me, tall and skinny with a guy is not a good look :/

    Bulking then cutting is likely a good idea. Once you rebuild your muscle it should help you reduce the belly fat when you cut again.

    JUST replied to you about that bud haha. You think I should hold off til below 20℅ or do the opposite?

    Are you above 20%? In that case you should continue to cut but lifting is highly recommended while in a deficit. Generally, you will know around 15% if you are skinny fat or not because you will still carry a lot around your stomach when you should be able to see the top two abs. In which case you can either cut to about 12% then bulk or bulk to about 18%-20% then cut. However, if you are still above 20% then you might just be one of those people that caries everything there and that means more cutting will show big improvements.

  • Cmase0194
    Cmase0194 Posts: 23 Member
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    I'm pretty fit, but as little fat as I have on arms and legs, etc., My stomach is rather...behind. I need to know, is there any specific thing I could do to burn off that fat from my stomach? I honestly wouldn't mind sacrificing the muscle in the rest of me so long as it meant I got a flat stomach lol

    A few questions for you.

    1. What does your current nutrition program look like? (what does a typical 3 days of eating look like for in terms of specific foods and quantities.

    2. What does your current strength and conditioning program look like?

    1. Ordinarily a morning at 6am eat a yogurt with wheat+bran cereal ground up in it. (21g protein, 61g comp carbs) Hit the gym, then afterwards, anything with about 35-40g protein(powder, meat, etc.), with some fast acting carbs, when available (some days just a pure protein bar for 33g, like today). Next meal, a fruit (banana or apple, usually), sometimes with little snacks (nature valley bar or a PB wheat bagel), a serving of almonds with coffee at work, a sandwich with light Swiss cheese and salt-free turkey, mayo and vegetables included). That's usually hit my macros and I get some play with food for the night to wrap up at about 2100-2300kcal. On a day I work 1st shift, I usually just skip the bagel and make a skinless boneless chicken salad, or chicken over wheat pasta with a salad.

    2. I do 3 days HIIT and 3 days HST lifts, alternating. One rest day, where I usually am sedentary for the most part, but I get up to clean and usually cook, etc.

    It's a lot to type, sorry bout that haha
  • Cmase0194
    Cmase0194 Posts: 23 Member
    edited September 2016
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    skidoodk wrote: »
    Belly fat is weird I beat cancer about 10 years ago and lost a lot of weight during treatment 6'2" 185 in shape went 135 and still had a little belly only place on my body

    When I first met my husband and he was only148 pounds, he still had a belly. Now he still has one at 190 pounds, but it isn't as obvious as when he was skinny everywhere but the belly.

    Yeah, maybe I should just start bulking and see where that leads me, tall and skinny with a guy is not a good look :/

    Bulking then cutting is likely a good idea. Once you rebuild your muscle it should help you reduce the belly fat when you cut again.

    JUST replied to you about that bud haha. You think I should hold off til below 20℅ or do the opposite?

    Are you above 20%? In that case you should continue to cut but lifting is highly recommended while in a deficit. Generally, you will know around 15% if you are skinny fat or not because you will still carry a lot around your stomach when you should be able to see the top two abs. In which case you can either cut to about 12% then bulk or bulk to about 18%-20% then cut. However, if you are still above 20% then you might just be one of those people that caries everything there and that means more cutting will show big improvements.

    I was 300lbs at age 17, and I've stayed under 205 ever since, but there's still some chub left. Got rid of most of it last year, and got lazy. Leads me to believe I should just stick with the cut, when you put it like that, I basically have no fat anwhere else besides maybe a bit in my thighs and such nowadays lol. Just gotta fight through this seemingly endless water weight phase
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    skidoodk wrote: »
    Belly fat is weird I beat cancer about 10 years ago and lost a lot of weight during treatment 6'2" 185 in shape went 135 and still had a little belly only place on my body

    When I first met my husband and he was only148 pounds, he still had a belly. Now he still has one at 190 pounds, but it isn't as obvious as when he was skinny everywhere but the belly.

    Yeah, maybe I should just start bulking and see where that leads me, tall and skinny with a guy is not a good look :/

    Bulking then cutting is likely a good idea. Once you rebuild your muscle it should help you reduce the belly fat when you cut again.

    JUST replied to you about that bud haha. You think I should hold off til below 20℅ or do the opposite?

    Are you above 20%? In that case you should continue to cut but lifting is highly recommended while in a deficit. Generally, you will know around 15% if you are skinny fat or not because you will still carry a lot around your stomach when you should be able to see the top two abs. In which case you can either cut to about 12% then bulk or bulk to about 18%-20% then cut. However, if you are still above 20% then you might just be one of those people that caries everything there and that means more cutting will show big improvements.

    I was 300lbs at age 17, and I've stayed under 205 ever since, but there's still some chub left. Got rid of most of it last year, and got lazy. Leads me to believe I should just stick with the cut, when you put it like that, I basically have no fat anwhere else besides maybe a bit in my thighs and such nowadays lol. Just gotta fight through this seemingly endless water weight phase

    Now 300 lbs changes things here considerably. This might not be belly fat so much as lose skin that just won't go away. Keep to the cut and you'll know soon enough what it is that you are really looking at. Have you noticed your belly to be looking deflated and sagging more than you would expect?

  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    Hm? What do you mean?
  • Cmase0194
    Cmase0194 Posts: 23 Member
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    skidoodk wrote: »
    Belly fat is weird I beat cancer about 10 years ago and lost a lot of weight during treatment 6'2" 185 in shape went 135 and still had a little belly only place on my body

    When I first met my husband and he was only148 pounds, he still had a belly. Now he still has one at 190 pounds, but it isn't as obvious as when he was skinny everywhere but the belly.

    Yeah, maybe I should just start bulking and see where that leads me, tall and skinny with a guy is not a good look :/

    Bulking then cutting is likely a good idea. Once you rebuild your muscle it should help you reduce the belly fat when you cut again.

    JUST replied to you about that bud haha. You think I should hold off til below 20℅ or do the opposite?

    Are you above 20%? In that case you should continue to cut but lifting is highly recommended while in a deficit. Generally, you will know around 15% if you are skinny fat or not because you will still carry a lot around your stomach when you should be able to see the top two abs. In which case you can either cut to about 12% then bulk or bulk to about 18%-20% then cut. However, if you are still above 20% then you might just be one of those people that caries everything there and that means more cutting will show big improvements.

    I was 300lbs at age 17, and I've stayed under 205 ever since, but there's still some chub left. Got rid of most of it last year, and got lazy. Leads me to believe I should just stick with the cut, when you put it like that, I basically have no fat anwhere else besides maybe a bit in my thighs and such nowadays lol. Just gotta fight through this seemingly endless water weight phase

    Now 300 lbs changes things here considerably. This might not be belly fat so much as lose skin that just won't go away. Keep to the cut and you'll know soon enough what it is that you are really looking at. Have you noticed your belly to be looking deflated and sagging more than you would expect?

    Yes, but it had tightened considerably last year...still hard to tell how much was skin and how much was fat when it got that close
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    DebSozo wrote: »
    skidoodk wrote: »
    Belly fat is weird I beat cancer about 10 years ago and lost a lot of weight during treatment 6'2" 185 in shape went 135 and still had a little belly only place on my body

    When I first met my husband and he was only148 pounds, he still had a belly. Now he still has one at 190 pounds, but it isn't as obvious as when he was skinny everywhere but the belly.

    Yeah, maybe I should just start bulking and see where that leads me, tall and skinny with a guy is not a good look :/

    Bulking then cutting is likely a good idea. Once you rebuild your muscle it should help you reduce the belly fat when you cut again.

    JUST replied to you about that bud haha. You think I should hold off til below 20℅ or do the opposite?

    Are you above 20%? In that case you should continue to cut but lifting is highly recommended while in a deficit. Generally, you will know around 15% if you are skinny fat or not because you will still carry a lot around your stomach when you should be able to see the top two abs. In which case you can either cut to about 12% then bulk or bulk to about 18%-20% then cut. However, if you are still above 20% then you might just be one of those people that caries everything there and that means more cutting will show big improvements.

    I was 300lbs at age 17, and I've stayed under 205 ever since, but there's still some chub left. Got rid of most of it last year, and got lazy. Leads me to believe I should just stick with the cut, when you put it like that, I basically have no fat anwhere else besides maybe a bit in my thighs and such nowadays lol. Just gotta fight through this seemingly endless water weight phase

    Now 300 lbs changes things here considerably. This might not be belly fat so much as lose skin that just won't go away. Keep to the cut and you'll know soon enough what it is that you are really looking at. Have you noticed your belly to be looking deflated and sagging more than you would expect?

    Yes, but it had tightened considerably last year...still hard to tell how much was skin and how much was fat when it got that close

    Let's hope for the best, lose skin can be a real naissance including having issues with rashes and infections.

  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    Hm? What do you mean?

    I feel like in my own experience, that training can impact where fat is lost from as well. While belly fat is usually the last to come off, I also think that it is because that is also where the most fat accumulates when we are sedentary. So you may not lose fat there at a slower rate, or "last", it's just that there was more there in the first place. When you are sedentary, you still use your arms and legs, even if it's just for daily tasks and walking, but most people don't use their core if they are sedentary, so more fat accumulation in that area. Once someone's training is amped up, I don't necessarily think that the fat will go back the same way, because now your body is training different areas. I dunno, I just see so many cyclists who have lean legs, and even lean arms, but are still 30 lbs over weight because all they do is ride a bike. I know my legs leaned out faster than any other part of my body while cycling to lose weight.

    So yea, I think spot reducing for the most part is not gonna happen, but I do think there are times when it can happen if that makes sense.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited September 2016
    Now that I think about it, my husband concentrates on cardio and eliptical, etc. His arms and legs have very little fat, but he has a belly.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    DebSozo wrote: »
    Now that I think about it, my husband concentrates on cardio and eliptical, etc. His arms and legs have very little fat, but he has a belly.

    Could be a cortisol issue. Some believe that a lot of cardio isn't a great thing since it builds up cortisol and that tends to lead to accumulation of belly fat.

  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    DebSozo wrote: »
    Now that I think about it, my husband concentrates on cardio and eliptical, etc. His arms and legs have very little fat, but he has a belly.

    Could be a cortisol issue. Some believe that a lot of cardio isn't a great thing since it builds up cortisol and that tends to lead to accumulation of belly fat.

    I believe that.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited September 2016
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Belly fat is the bottom row of the brick wall you are smashing down

    If you haven't already - try tracking your macros and keep your fat down - say like 25%... You will chip away at the belly pretty quick

    Fat doesn't make you fat

    Taking extra fats on wont help though will it. Eat less like you always say

    I lost belly circumference on LCHF. Disclaimer is that wheat puffs me out and causes water weight gain. So my "belly fat" very well might have been fluid retention. Plus at the same time I did recomp, and my body shape has improved. I don't mind whatever the cause as belly is flatter.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    I read about this grains of paradise pepper that helps remove stubborn fat.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what @Hornsby was talking about.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    I read about this grains of paradise pepper that helps remove stubborn fat.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what @Hornsby was talking about.

    Ugh..I gave an exercise and a nutrition idea. He was advising you cant target certain fats

    Advising exercise to target certain muscle groups is fine.

    But there is not a pepper on this planet, no matter how exotic, that is going to remove fat from your body.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    Hm? What do you mean?

    I feel like in my own experience, that training can impact where fat is lost from as well. While belly fat is usually the last to come off, I also think that it is because that is also where the most fat accumulates when we are sedentary. So you may not lose fat there at a slower rate, or "last", it's just that there was more there in the first place. When you are sedentary, you still use your arms and legs, even if it's just for daily tasks and walking, but most people don't use their core if they are sedentary, so more fat accumulation in that area. Once someone's training is amped up, I don't necessarily think that the fat will go back the same way, because now your body is training different areas. I dunno, I just see so many cyclists who have lean legs, and even lean arms, but are still 30 lbs over weight because all they do is ride a bike. I know my legs leaned out faster than any other part of my body while cycling to lose weight.

    So yea, I think spot reducing for the most part is not gonna happen, but I do think there are times when it can happen if that makes sense.

    As far as I know, those places accumulate more fat and don't like to give it up based on the concentration of adrenergic receptors in the cells.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    I read about this grains of paradise pepper that helps remove stubborn fat.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what @Hornsby was talking about.

    Ugh..I gave an exercise and a nutrition idea. He was advising you cant target certain fats

    Advising exercise to target certain muscle groups is fine.

    But there is not a pepper on this planet, no matter how exotic, that is going to remove fat from your body.

    There are a number of studies that say different. No idea if they are right. https://www.pyroxamine.com/ingredients/grains-of-paradise

    The last place I'd take information on a thing from is usually the place that is selling it.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    I read about this grains of paradise pepper that helps remove stubborn fat.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what @Hornsby was talking about.

    Ugh..I gave an exercise and a nutrition idea. He was advising you cant target certain fats

    Advising exercise to target certain muscle groups is fine.

    But there is not a pepper on this planet, no matter how exotic, that is going to remove fat from your body.

    There are a number of studies that say different. No idea if they are right. https://www.pyroxamine.com/ingredients/grains-of-paradise

    Here is a much better resource than a website that sells it: https://examine.com/supplements/aframomum-melegueta/

    TL;DR: Its effects are unremarkable. Save your money.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    I read about this grains of paradise pepper that helps remove stubborn fat.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what @Hornsby was talking about.

    Ugh..I gave an exercise and a nutrition idea. He was advising you cant target certain fats

    Advising exercise to target certain muscle groups is fine.

    But there is not a pepper on this planet, no matter how exotic, that is going to remove fat from your body.

    There are a number of studies that say different. No idea if they are right. https://www.pyroxamine.com/ingredients/grains-of-paradise

    Here is a much better resource than a website that sells it: https://examine.com/supplements/aframomum-melegueta/

    TL;DR: Its effects are unremarkable. Save your money.

    As I expected after reading on the advertising that it has "similar thermogenic effects to hot peppers" (which are unremarkable in hot peppers).
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    edited September 2016
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    I read about this grains of paradise pepper that helps remove stubborn fat.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what @Hornsby was talking about.

    Ugh..I gave an exercise and a nutrition idea. He was advising you cant target certain fats

    Advising exercise to target certain muscle groups is fine.

    But there is not a pepper on this planet, no matter how exotic, that is going to remove fat from your body.

    There are a number of studies that say different. No idea if they are right. https://www.pyroxamine.com/ingredients/grains-of-paradise

    The last place I'd take information on a thing from is usually the place that is selling it.

    Fair play..just did a quick google to be fair. I read it in Mens Health and bought it on Amazon :)

    You reference Mens Health a lot. I'm sure they give good tips from time to time, but generally magazines are not a good source for actual weight loss tips. Magazines sensationalize even the tiniest effect from stuff like this because people will buy a magazine that advertises "SHRED Belly Fat with this Crazy Pepper!! p. 26". It catches people's attention and they want to learn the next "one weird trick" that's going to make them ripped and shiny.

    A magazine that advertises a moderate calorie deficit and weight training in every issue wouldn't sell very many copies.

    Plus they have advertising dollars to consider when they publish an article. You don't see too many hard hitting exposes on supplement scams in fluffy men's health magazines any more than you would expect to see dangerous cosmetics exposed in Vogue.

    Time to publish another "Get a 6-pack by Summer" article.
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  • middlehaitch
    middlehaitch Posts: 8,486 Member
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    Hm? What do you mean?

    I feel like in my own experience, that training can impact where fat is lost from as well. While belly fat is usually the last to come off, I also think that it is because that is also where the most fat accumulates when we are sedentary. So you may not lose fat there at a slower rate, or "last", it's just that there was more there in the first place. When you are sedentary, you still use your arms and legs, even if it's just for daily tasks and walking, but most people don't use their core if they are sedentary, so more fat accumulation in that area. Once someone's training is amped up, I don't necessarily think that the fat will go back the same way, because now your body is training different areas. I dunno, I just see so many cyclists who have lean legs, and even lean arms, but are still 30 lbs over weight because all they do is ride a bike. I know my legs leaned out faster than any other part of my body while cycling to lose weight.

    So yea, I think spot reducing for the most part is not gonna happen, but I do think there are times when it can happen if that makes sense.

    The only time I know of where spot reduction may happen is if a person has a large amount of visceral fat.
    Men, and generaly women of menopausal age (PCOS maybe) tend to have more visceral fat because of their testosterone levels, and lower estrogen levels in the women.
    A calorie deficit and exercise will 'spot reduce' this fat. This is why a beer belly can be lost relatively fast. The subcutaneous fat on the belly, is lost along with the rest of the body fat depending on ones genetic disposition.

    (Excess visceral fat can cause hormone disruption and make weight loss more challenging for some)

    Cheers, h.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    edited September 2016
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    I read about this grains of paradise pepper that helps remove stubborn fat.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what @Hornsby was talking about.

    Ugh..I gave an exercise and a nutrition idea. He was advising you cant target certain fats

    Advising exercise to target certain muscle groups is fine.

    But there is not a pepper on this planet, no matter how exotic, that is going to remove fat from your body.

    There are a number of studies that say different. No idea if they are right. https://www.pyroxamine.com/ingredients/grains-of-paradise

    The last place I'd take information on a thing from is usually the place that is selling it.

    Fair play..just did a quick google to be fair. I read it in Mens Health and bought it on Amazon :)

    You reference Mens Health a lot. I'm sure they give good tips from time to time, but generally magazines are not a good source for actual weight loss tips. Magazines sensationalize even the tiniest effect from stuff like this because people will buy a magazine that advertises "SHRED Belly Fat with this Crazy Pepper!! p. 26". It catches people's attention and they want to learn the next "one weird trick" that's going to make them ripped and shiny.

    A magazine that advertises a moderate calorie deficit and weight training in every issue wouldn't sell very many copies.

    I'm noticing you and others reference examine.com a lot on here. Looks a good site and funny when you go in and see that Mens Health, Mens Fitness and the Guardian Newspaper all sponsor them. My sources...

    If you're talking about advertisements, many ads that you see are based on your Internet browsing habits. They target your interests because you will be more likely to click them. MFP works the same way. Doesn't make your sources any more valid.

    Edit: From the disclosure on their website:
    Examine.com is an unbiased nutrition and supplement resource. We are not influenced by commercial interests, product manufacturers, or any other organization, and we will not advertise products or brands. Examine.com does not accept donations, third-party funding, or sponsorship of any kind. One hundred percent of our revenue is generated through our three products: the Examine.com Research Digest, Supplement-Goals Reference, and the Supplement Stack Guides.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member

    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
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    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    I read about this grains of paradise pepper that helps remove stubborn fat.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what @Hornsby was talking about.

    Ugh..I gave an exercise and a nutrition idea. He was advising you cant target certain fats

    Advising exercise to target certain muscle groups is fine.

    But there is not a pepper on this planet, no matter how exotic, that is going to remove fat from your body.

    There are a number of studies that say different. No idea if they are right. https://www.pyroxamine.com/ingredients/grains-of-paradise

    The last place I'd take information on a thing from is usually the place that is selling it.

    Fair play..just did a quick google to be fair. I read it in Mens Health and bought it on Amazon :)

    You reference Mens Health a lot. I'm sure they give good tips from time to time, but generally magazines are not a good source for actual weight loss tips. Magazines sensationalize even the tiniest effect from stuff like this because people will buy a magazine that advertises "SHRED Belly Fat with this Crazy Pepper!! p. 26". It catches people's attention and they want to learn the next "one weird trick" that's going to make them ripped and shiny.

    A magazine that advertises a moderate calorie deficit and weight training in every issue wouldn't sell very many copies.

    I'm noticing you and others reference examine.com a lot on here. Looks a good site and funny when you go in and see that Mens Health, Mens Fitness and the Guardian Newspaper all sponsor them. My sources...

    If you're talking about advertisements, many ads that you see are based on your Internet browsing habits. They target your interests because you will be more likely to click them. MFP works the same way. Doesn't make your sources any more valid.

    Or yours..just one site. Never read the Boston Globe..they are not ads

    From the disclosure on their website:
    Examine.com is an unbiased nutrition and supplement resource. We are not influenced by commercial interests, product manufacturers, or any other organization, and we will not advertise products or brands. Examine.com does not accept donations, third-party funding, or sponsorship of any kind. One hundred percent of our revenue is generated through our three products: the Examine.com Research Digest, Supplement-Goals Reference, and the Supplement Stack Guides.
  • PunkerGin
    PunkerGin Posts: 5 Member
    I'm the same and the reason for me is because I personally have this body type & I drink Alcohol everyday. But I'm skinny every place else. bleh...

  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Jakep2323 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    Cmase0194 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm one of those people that believe you can still cut belly fat while eating at a surplus.

    If that's possible, I want in, hah. I'm pretty convinced in all I've researched on it you won't cut the fat, but it will become more muscular underneath it. Maybe in a recomp or something?

    I guess I don't believe in the "we can't spot reduce" statement that so many make (myself included). I think we can spot reduce to an extent.

    I read about this grains of paradise pepper that helps remove stubborn fat.

    I'm pretty sure this isn't what @Hornsby was talking about.

    Ugh..I gave an exercise and a nutrition idea. He was advising you cant target certain fats

    Advising exercise to target certain muscle groups is fine.

    But there is not a pepper on this planet, no matter how exotic, that is going to remove fat from your body.

    There are a number of studies that say different. No idea if they are right. https://www.pyroxamine.com/ingredients/grains-of-paradise

    The last place I'd take information on a thing from is usually the place that is selling it.

    Fair play..just did a quick google to be fair. I read it in Mens Health and bought it on Amazon :)

    You reference Mens Health a lot. I'm sure they give good tips from time to time, but generally magazines are not a good source for actual weight loss tips. Magazines sensationalize even the tiniest effect from stuff like this because people will buy a magazine that advertises "SHRED Belly Fat with this Crazy Pepper!! p. 26". It catches people's attention and they want to learn the next "one weird trick" that's going to make them ripped and shiny.

    A magazine that advertises a moderate calorie deficit and weight training in every issue wouldn't sell very many copies.

    I'm noticing you and others reference examine.com a lot on here. Looks a good site and funny when you go in and see that Mens Health, Mens Fitness and the Guardian Newspaper all sponsor them. My sources...

    If you're talking about advertisements, many ads that you see are based on your Internet browsing habits. They target your interests because you will be more likely to click them. MFP works the same way. Doesn't make your sources any more valid.

    Or yours..just one site. Never read the Boston Globe..they are not ads

    Just because they sponsor the site doesn't make them legitimate sources of anything. Marketing is targeted to specific segments that are more likely to response. If you knew of a site that people went to for supplement information and you had supplements to sell you would probably want to advertise there since you know your market is there.

    As for validity, magazines and news papers are not authoritative sources, Examine sites primary research done by real researchers and not paid, anonymous grad students or journalists with no real background.