Low carb diet question!
KarlyHK
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So I've been pretty good on my low carb diet. I know that MFP doesn't separate bad carbs and food carbs in the carb nutrient section.
That being said here is my question.
What are net carbs vs carbs? Sometimes I buy the Atkins frozen dinner when I'm in a pinch and it'll say 14g net carbs. But 33 carbs total.
Is it saying that 14 carbs are bad and the rest are good carbs? I should know this by now but I don't. Lol
Please don't tell me that "low carb doesn't matter. Calories do."
I'm doing what my body responds to.
Thank you.
That being said here is my question.
What are net carbs vs carbs? Sometimes I buy the Atkins frozen dinner when I'm in a pinch and it'll say 14g net carbs. But 33 carbs total.
Is it saying that 14 carbs are bad and the rest are good carbs? I should know this by now but I don't. Lol
Please don't tell me that "low carb doesn't matter. Calories do."
I'm doing what my body responds to.
Thank you.
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I'm pretty sure they subtract fiber from the 33 to get the net carbs.
If I was to guess that meal has 19g fiber. Seems high though1 -
Carbs - fiber = net carbs1
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And yes calories do matter. You must be in a deficit to lose weight. Low carb is a great way to do that. Consider joining the low carb group.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group3 -
5th day of keto diet, so far so good3
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Yep, even if you're doing low carb, high carb, or any diet... it all boils down to calories. I've personally done both low and high carb. With low carb, it is so easy to go over calories with high fat.jmarie1025 wrote: »And yes calories do matter. You must be in a deficit to lose weight. Low carb is a great way to do that. Consider joining the low carb group.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
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cerise_noir wrote: »
Yep, even if you're doing low carb, high carb, or any diet... it all boils down to calories. I've personally done both low and high carb. With low carb, it is so easy to go over calories with high fat.jmarie1025 wrote: »And yes calories do matter. You must be in a deficit to lose weight. Low carb is a great way to do that. Consider joining the low carb group.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
I know calories are important. I just meant don't say "don't do low carb, just watch calories".
Last time I asked a question so many people responded that way ha1 -
There are a couple of variations, though pretty much everyone agrees to remove fiber from total carbs as shown earlier. The part that is most disputed is sugar alcohols. Quest bars, for example, label their protein bars with "net carbs" on the front based on exclusion of all sugar alcohols. Some will not deduct any sugar alcohols.
Personally, I am a type 1 diabetic so I dose insulin boluses based on net carbs - that is, the carbs that will actually get digested and converted to glucose (and then either used or stored as glycogen or fat). As a result, I have a lot more insight into net carbs because I've seen tens of thousands of times how carbs actually are digested.
So there is no disagreement on removing fiber, but sugar alcohols have legitimate debate. Not all sugar alcohols are the same, but I find that I usually end up pretty accurate using the following formula for net carbs:
Total carbs - fiber - (0.5 X sugar alcohols) = net carbs
**This is based upon U.S. nutrition label standards.1 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »There are a couple of variations, though pretty much everyone agrees to remove fiber from total carbs as shown earlier. The part that is most disputed is sugar alcohols. Quest bars, for example, label their protein bars with "net carbs" on the front based on exclusion of all sugar alcohols. Some will not deduct any sugar alcohols.
Personally, I am a type 1 diabetic so I dose insulin boluses based on net carbs - that is, the carbs that will actually get digested and converted to glucose (and then either used or stored as glycogen or fat). As a result, I have a lot more insight into net carbs because I've seen tens of thousands of times how carbs actually are digested.
So there is no disagreement on removing fiber, but sugar alcohols have legitimate debate. Not all sugar alcohols are the same, but I find that I usually end up pretty accurate using the following formula for net carbs:
Total carbs - fiber - (0.5 X sugar alcohols) = net carbs
**This is based upon U.S. nutrition label standards.
This is really helpful! I feel like I've neglected myself now because I would avoid apples and some other foods because it's high in "carbs". But not all of the carbs in apples are bad cause some are fiber right?
I should have asked this a long time ago!
I wish MFP wouldn't count fiber as a carb on its nutrient calculator.0 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »There are a couple of variations, though pretty much everyone agrees to remove fiber from total carbs as shown earlier. The part that is most disputed is sugar alcohols. Quest bars, for example, label their protein bars with "net carbs" on the front based on exclusion of all sugar alcohols. Some will not deduct any sugar alcohols.
Personally, I am a type 1 diabetic so I dose insulin boluses based on net carbs - that is, the carbs that will actually get digested and converted to glucose (and then either used or stored as glycogen or fat). As a result, I have a lot more insight into net carbs because I've seen tens of thousands of times how carbs actually are digested.
So there is no disagreement on removing fiber, but sugar alcohols have legitimate debate. Not all sugar alcohols are the same, but I find that I usually end up pretty accurate using the following formula for net carbs:
Total carbs - fiber - (0.5 X sugar alcohols) = net carbs
**This is based upon U.S. nutrition label standards.
This is really helpful! I feel like I've neglected myself now because I would avoid apples and some other foods because it's high in "carbs". But not all of the carbs in apples are bad cause some are fiber right?
I should have asked this a long time ago!
I wish MFP wouldn't count fiber as a carb on its nutrient calculator.
Apples are still high carb because of the fructose.2 -
Then I guess it's ok I stayed away from them! Ha0
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Then I guess it's ok I stayed away from them! Ha
It depends on your goals and why you are trying to stay low carb. If you are trying to reduce BG spikes (yes, even non-diabetics have BG spikes after carbs), then you can minimize spikes by consuming fat along with the apple. Peanuts are high in fat, so you can eat peanuts right before eating the apple to reduce BG spikes.
However, a single apple is about the same carbs as your Atkins meal with 14g net carbs (depending on each individual apple, of course... a food scale helps). You didn't give the other macros included in the Atkins meal, but I can be almost certain that it contains fat and protein. This is not true with your apple, so the apple will cause a sharper BG spike than the Atkins meal even with the same amount of carbs.2 -
If you want to use net carbs, the Low Carber Daily has instructions in the Launch Pad on how to set yourself up with net carbs instead of total carbs.
I just go with total carbs and assume that at least half of it is from fibre since my carbs mostly come from veggies and nuts.
And the very low carbers (like Atkins Induction phase) who want apple will eat it, but they may not eat the entire apple or they choose a very small one (golf ball sized). Low carbers with 100-150 total carbs can make room for an apple if they really want it. Those with blood glucose issues may think twice about the apple.... It's a personal choice.0 -
If you want to use net carbs, the Low Carber Daily has instructions in the Launch Pad on how to set yourself up with net carbs instead of total carbs.
I just go with total carbs and assume that at least half of it is from fibre since my carbs mostly come from veggies and nuts.
And the very low carbers (like Atkins Induction phase) who want apple will eat it, but they may not eat the entire apple or they choose a very small one (golf ball sized). Low carbers with 100-150 total carbs can make room for an apple if they really want it. Those with blood glucose issues may think twice about the apple.... It's a personal choice.midwesterner85 wrote: »Then I guess it's ok I stayed away from them! Ha
It depends on your goals and why you are trying to stay low carb. If you are trying to reduce BG spikes (yes, even non-diabetics have BG spikes after carbs), then you can minimize spikes by consuming fat along with the apple. Peanuts are high in fat, so you can eat peanuts right before eating the apple to reduce BG spikes.
However, a single apple is about the same carbs as your Atkins meal with 14g net carbs (depending on each individual apple, of course... a food scale helps). You didn't give the other macros included in the Atkins meal, but I can be almost certain that it contains fat and protein. This is not true with your apple, so the apple will cause a sharper BG spike than the Atkins meal even with the same amount of carbs.
I true to be under 75 carbs a day. Bad carbs that is.
I would rather eat an Atkins meal in a pinch and get protein and fat rather than eating an apple for just carbs.
What's the low carber daily? Is that an app?0 -
If you want to use net carbs, the Low Carber Daily has instructions in the Launch Pad on how to set yourself up with net carbs instead of total carbs.
I just go with total carbs and assume that at least half of it is from fibre since my carbs mostly come from veggies and nuts.
And the very low carbers (like Atkins Induction phase) who want apple will eat it, but they may not eat the entire apple or they choose a very small one (golf ball sized). Low carbers with 100-150 total carbs can make room for an apple if they really want it. Those with blood glucose issues may think twice about the apple.... It's a personal choice.midwesterner85 wrote: »Then I guess it's ok I stayed away from them! Ha
It depends on your goals and why you are trying to stay low carb. If you are trying to reduce BG spikes (yes, even non-diabetics have BG spikes after carbs), then you can minimize spikes by consuming fat along with the apple. Peanuts are high in fat, so you can eat peanuts right before eating the apple to reduce BG spikes.
However, a single apple is about the same carbs as your Atkins meal with 14g net carbs (depending on each individual apple, of course... a food scale helps). You didn't give the other macros included in the Atkins meal, but I can be almost certain that it contains fat and protein. This is not true with your apple, so the apple will cause a sharper BG spike than the Atkins meal even with the same amount of carbs.
I true to be under 75 carbs a day. Bad carbs that is.
I would rather eat an Atkins meal in a pinch and get protein and fat rather than eating an apple for just carbs.
What's the low carber daily? Is that an app?
The question you want to answer is why you are trying to stay below 75g of carbs. If the answer to that question is to minimize BG spikes, it is most useful to spread those carbs out throughout the day and to pair them with fat and protein when you eat heavier carbs.
The Low Carber Daily is an MFP group, which was linked earlier.0 -
If you want to use net carbs, the Low Carber Daily has instructions in the Launch Pad on how to set yourself up with net carbs instead of total carbs.
I just go with total carbs and assume that at least half of it is from fibre since my carbs mostly come from veggies and nuts.
And the very low carbers (like Atkins Induction phase) who want apple will eat it, but they may not eat the entire apple or they choose a very small one (golf ball sized). Low carbers with 100-150 total carbs can make room for an apple if they really want it. Those with blood glucose issues may think twice about the apple.... It's a personal choice.midwesterner85 wrote: »Then I guess it's ok I stayed away from them! Ha
It depends on your goals and why you are trying to stay low carb. If you are trying to reduce BG spikes (yes, even non-diabetics have BG spikes after carbs), then you can minimize spikes by consuming fat along with the apple. Peanuts are high in fat, so you can eat peanuts right before eating the apple to reduce BG spikes.
However, a single apple is about the same carbs as your Atkins meal with 14g net carbs (depending on each individual apple, of course... a food scale helps). You didn't give the other macros included in the Atkins meal, but I can be almost certain that it contains fat and protein. This is not true with your apple, so the apple will cause a sharper BG spike than the Atkins meal even with the same amount of carbs.
I true to be under 75 carbs a day. Bad carbs that is.
I would rather eat an Atkins meal in a pinch and get protein and fat rather than eating an apple for just carbs.
What's the low carber daily? Is that an app?
What's with this good carb, bad carb thing? Demonizing food isn't a good idea. Nothing wrong with low carb but what's with the arbitrary labels?3 -
[quote{What's with this good carb, bad carb thing? Demonizing food isn't a good idea. Nothing wrong with low carb but what's with the arbitrary labels?[/quote]
I'm not demonizing food. McDonald's is bad for you. So we say it's bad food. Same thing with carbs. There are bad ones that you don't need and then ones like fiber that I do need.
I was just asking a question about labels that say net carbs but then on the nutrition label have way more than what's advertised as net carbs.
I work at a hospital so I see all kinds of different diets. I've also tried different kinds for myself.
I'm hypoglycemic and wanting to lose weight so the best route for me as of so far has been a low carb, high protein diet.
Doctor and my fellow nurses recommended that for me.
Just asking about net carbs vs carbs on packaging is all.
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If you want to use net carbs, the Low Carber Daily has instructions in the Launch Pad on how to set yourself up with net carbs instead of total carbs.
I just go with total carbs and assume that at least half of it is from fibre since my carbs mostly come from veggies and nuts.
And the very low carbers (like Atkins Induction phase) who want apple will eat it, but they may not eat the entire apple or they choose a very small one (golf ball sized). Low carbers with 100-150 total carbs can make room for an apple if they really want it. Those with blood glucose issues may think twice about the apple.... It's a personal choice.midwesterner85 wrote: »Then I guess it's ok I stayed away from them! Ha
It depends on your goals and why you are trying to stay low carb. If you are trying to reduce BG spikes (yes, even non-diabetics have BG spikes after carbs), then you can minimize spikes by consuming fat along with the apple. Peanuts are high in fat, so you can eat peanuts right before eating the apple to reduce BG spikes.
However, a single apple is about the same carbs as your Atkins meal with 14g net carbs (depending on each individual apple, of course... a food scale helps). You didn't give the other macros included in the Atkins meal, but I can be almost certain that it contains fat and protein. This is not true with your apple, so the apple will cause a sharper BG spike than the Atkins meal even with the same amount of carbs.
I true to be under 75 carbs a day. Bad carbs that is.
I would rather eat an Atkins meal in a pinch and get protein and fat rather than eating an apple for just carbs.
What's the low carber daily? Is that an app?
Carbs are carbs. What are you classifying as bad carbs? I can only assume that you mean foods high in carbs but low/no fibre??
The low carb groub is a sub forum of MFP (myfitnesspal). I highly recommend you join, as it's full of experienced and helpful low carbers that will be able to answer all of your questions and steer you in the right direction..1 -
[quote{What's with this good carb, bad carb thing? Demonizing food isn't a good idea. Nothing wrong with low carb but what's with the arbitrary labels?I'm not demonizing food. McDonald's is bad for you. So we say it's bad food. Same thing with carbs. There are bad ones that you don't need and then ones like fiber that I do need.
I was just asking a question about labels that say net carbs but then on the nutrition label have way more than what's advertised as net carbs.
I work at a hospital so I see all kinds of different diets. I've also tried different kinds for myself.
I'm hypoglycemic and wanting to lose weight so the best route for me as of so far has been a low carb, high protein diet.
Doctor and my fellow nurses recommended that for me.
Just asking about net carbs vs carbs on packaging is all.
You say you are demonizing food but in the same sentence you call foods "bad".As I said nothing wrong with low carb but there are no "bad carbs" and "bad foods" unless you have a medical condition, allergy, intolerance that causes them to do bad things to your body.3 -
[quote{What's with this good carb, bad carb thing? Demonizing food isn't a good idea. Nothing wrong with low carb but what's with the arbitrary labels?
I'm not demonizing food. McDonald's is bad for you. So we say it's bad food. Same thing with carbs. There are bad ones that you don't need and then ones like fiber that I do need.
I was just asking a question about labels that say net carbs but then on the nutrition label have way more than what's advertised as net carbs.
I work at a hospital so I see all kinds of different diets. I've also tried different kinds for myself.
I'm hypoglycemic and wanting to lose weight so the best route for me as of so far has been a low carb, high protein diet.
Doctor and my fellow nurses recommended that for me.
Just asking about net carbs vs carbs on packaging is all.
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You posted this as i was typing my previous post.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »[quote{What's with this good carb, bad carb thing? Demonizing food isn't a good idea. Nothing wrong with low carb but what's with the arbitrary labels?I'm not demonizing food. McDonald's is bad for you. So we say it's bad food. Same thing with carbs. There are bad ones that you don't need and then ones like fiber that I do need.
I was just asking a question about labels that say net carbs but then on the nutrition label have way more than what's advertised as net carbs.
I work at a hospital so I see all kinds of different diets. I've also tried different kinds for myself.
I'm hypoglycemic and wanting to lose weight so the best route for me as of so far has been a low carb, high protein diet.
Doctor and my fellow nurses recommended that for me.
Just asking about net carbs vs carbs on packaging is all.
You say you are demonizing food but in the same sentence you call foods "bad".As I said nothing wrong with low carb but there are no "bad carbs" and "bad foods" unless you have a medical condition, allergy, intolerance that causes them to do bad things to your body.
We now know that the OP is hypoglycemic. The most common situation (and likely the OP's situation) is reactive hypoglycemia, which can be improved by reducing BG spikes. To OP, the "bad carbs" are those that lead to hypoglycemic episodes. I can understand how, in this context, carbs that affect BG would be considered "bad carbs."0 -
We now know that the OP is hypoglycemic. The most common situation (and likely the OP's situation) is reactive hypoglycemia, which can be improved by reducing BG spikes. To OP, the "bad carbs" are those that lead to hypoglycemic episodes. I can understand how, in this context, carbs that affect BG would be considered "bad carbs."
Thank you!
And for the person saying I am demonizing food:
A) I posted this asking what net carbs vs carbs means on packages.
From the answer I had I classified fiber carbs as good and starchy carbs like potatoes or pasta as bad. That's NOT demonizing. That's simply stating that from what I've gathered, one gives you nutrients that you NEED (like for healthy bowel movements) and starchy carbs as far as I understand, your body doesn't really doesn't need. It's just processed and stored as sugar/fat.
Anyway I didn't start this post to battle about carbs. I was simply trying to be educate myself about what net carbs are! Sheesh.
Anyway! Lol
I've been waiting for a day to be approved into the Low Carb Diet group.
I don't even know how to find groups on here lol,
Anyone know that answer?
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For example about my hypoglycemia:
Doctor said to way cheeses, meets, and nuts. Not crackers, potatoes, pasta and brownies.
Maybe saying healthy carbs vs unhealthy carbs would be better than saying food vs bad?
And honestly even if the doctor didn't saying to eat those things I still would now that I've been doing it for a few months.
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For example about my hypoglycemia:
Doctor said to way cheeses, meets, and nuts. Not crackers, potatoes, pasta and brownies.
Maybe saying healthy carbs vs unhealthy carbs would be better than saying food vs bad?
And honestly even if the doctor didn't saying to eat those things I still would now that I've been doing it for a few months.
Or maybe healthy and unhealthy for you. Potatoes have a lot of nutrition in them and are a good choice for people who do not have carb issues.1 -
Or maybe healthy and unhealthy for you. Potatoes have a lot of nutrition in them and are a good choice for people who do not have carb issues.
Now that's the way to word it!
They do have a good supply of vitamins in them
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Seriously though.
Anyone know how to look up groups? I have no idea!
I really want to joint the Low Carb Diet group that I was sent a link for. I tried to join but says I must be approved.
How can I check if I've been approved?
The app doesn't always update me on stuff.0 -
Seriously though.
Anyone know how to look up groups? I have no idea!
I really want to joint the Low Carb Diet group that I was sent a link for. I tried to join but says I must be approved.
How can I check if I've been approved?
The app doesn't always update me on stuff.
It might take a day or two. It's been a while but I think you get an email saying you've been approved to join the group.
If you're looking for other groups just go to the community page and click on the search icon at the top and type in keywords. You can search specifically for groups or threads containing those keywords.1 -
I'm not sure if it will tell you when you are approved. I guess keep checking?0
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It wont tell you if you're approved. Go to the main forum page where it says "food and nutrition" "fitness exercise" etc etc and scroll down to the very bottom. Once you're approved, the low carb group will be tacked on the end of all the other sub forums.
It'll be under 'Technical support/need help'0 -
You are all so helpful! Thank you! I'm gonna go try it now!0
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