Candida overgrowth in gut
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Thank you!!! I am seeing results. I have cut out bread pasta cereals, rice and sugars and found that I can be pretty creative in the kitchen with "what's left" which is quite a bit. I was just telling my daughter that I feel so much better than I did 2 days ago. Your experience sounds a lot like mine. I'm glad you are feeling better - it's a nightmare to live through0
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Ok guys. Thanks for all of your opinions. Was looking for people who were/are experiencing what I do and not to have to argue my beliefs or what works for me.I don't understand why people can't just scroll by things that are not in line with their beliefs.I don't force mine on you, don't try to convince me of yours.People are going to believe what they brlieve, what works for them.I don't understand the need to be "right".
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I'm sorry but for those who don't believe candida overgrowth in the gut is real - you are wrong!
http://theskinnywhitebuddha.blogspot.com/2012/04/candida-hoax.html?m=1
If you have any legitimate science that shows the opposite then please post it.
Also, I'm not saying you didn't have something, I'm just saying that you didnt have candida overgrowth, as it is a fake disease.8 -
Yeah, just because they don't have Candida doesn't mean they aren't struggling with a health issue. They have the symptoms. Just don't know the cause or diagnosis yet.0
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Johnwelk how can you be so sure that this hasn't worked (is working) for me? How can you explain years of seeing medical professionals (GI, dermatologists, ENT, GP, ER visits over and over again and then finding nothing? There is obviously something wrong as the last visit I had to a medical doctor, while covered head to toe in a rash, ended with a prescription for a hydrocortisone and a pat on the back out the door?
This condition is very real. I'm sorry you feel the need to educate complete strangers who may be lurking. I think being obnoxious about something rather than maybe offering advice to someone (me) who actually swallowed their pride and posted about this embarrassing issue, is more important to you than actually helping the stranger who asked for it. Even if that means not making somebody feel worse than they already do.
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I would tend to think that anyone that has done much peer reviewed study reading regarding gut bacteria in general would understand that the scientific data is still growing rapidly, and even with that in mind we are just touching the tip of the iceberg. I've had a few recent reads on gut bacteria having influence on mental health and brain function, and the people behind it are far from those that love alternative everything.
Science isn't something that is a constant that never changes, and the scientific community often disagrees for years before something is accepted as science.
But having read quite a bit on gut bacteria and also has some short lived gut issues, I'm just glad the OP has found something that is working.20 -
BinaryPulsar wrote: »Yeah, just because they don't have Candida doesn't mean they aren't struggling with a health issue. They have the symptoms. Just don't know the cause or diagnosis yet.
Yes exactly. There are a few fake diseases that get thrown out there when people have symptoms and their dr can't figure out what wrong but keep pushing to get a proper diagnosis.4 -
OP, did you present with any other symptoms than the full body rash? Thirst, headaches, dizziness, feeling faint, etc.?
Did your medical team do a full blood panel for you? What were your A1C readings?0 -
People have dietary triggers
The important thing is symptomatic control and your psychological support
The responders aren't wrong about the pseudo science and bunkum involved here but if you are finding dietary adjustments beneficial then you are identifying either personal physical or psychological triggers either way I'm sure you're relieved to be actively managing your symptoms10 -
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And there are non-prescription options that have good results in clinical trials and were once only available by prescription. But, they just stopped using them as the dominant option. My dermatologist also told me to see a naturopath for skin care prescriptions because she could have lotions mixed up for me with gentle, but clinically effective ingredients. Some examples would be: niacinamide, azelaic acid, zinc, retin-a, and other options. They can prescribe them at lower concentrations for people that have sensitive skin. So, naturopaths do use evidence based options as well. And you can do your own research before seeing them and after speaking with them to make an informed decision.3
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Most of these diets I see recommended by alternative medicine practitioners recommend avoiding processed foods and "evil" sugar. I would think if someone is following a diet like this would feel better. I agree with probiotics that they can help, but every person is different. I don't agree with all alternative medicine because there are plenty of schemers out there that prey on people who are looking for answers modern medicine cannot answer.2
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I'm sorry but for those who don't believe candida overgrowth in the gut is real - you are wrong! I thought I was going crazy several years ago, MDs were of little help. Thankfully, I found a nutritionist and a very open-minded allergist for treatment, as well as books by William Crook. I gave myself daily allergy shots for candida overgrowth from allergist for three months, then took diflucan daily for 6 months. Also, medical strength oil of oregano, mega doses of probiotics and implemented a food rotation diet that essentially cut all refined products from diet (carbs, breads, pasta) and anything with sugar. It changed my life. I had gotten to point where I would fall asleep/weave on road if I ate an ice cream cone or doughnuts 30 minutes earlier. If I ate jelly on toast, I fell asleep for 30 minutes.
The diet, medications and herbs changed my life. It affected my work, concentration, everything about my life for a long time. Now I'm good - I eat probiotics when take antibiotics, try to watch diet a little more closely. But it is very, very real.
Good luck and stick to the treatment plan - you will notice results in as little as a week (I did, at least) As an aside, within a few days, my skin was glowing! I believe it was because I was eating food without preservatives for a few months!
How long did it take you to feel better? I've been on the diet and supplements for a while but hardcore the last 3 weeks1 -
Science and research has shown that most "holistic" practices do absolutely nothing. Some can even be dangerous. The placebo effect is what usually happens (you think it will work and therefore you think you are starting to feel better). Science does not back holistic medicine at all.
You seem to be a bit confused about what "holistic" actually means. The definition is "dealing with or treating the whole of something or someone and not just a part". There is no pseudoscience involved with treating people holistically, it's not the same as homeopathy.
All MD's and RGN's are now taught to treat their patients holistically, because treating only symptoms does nothing to tackle the root cause of the problem. For example, if you go to your GP complaining of insomnia, any good doctor won't just send you off with a prescription for sleeping pills. They should ask you about your lifestyle, your routines, your diet, your sleep hygiene etc. to find out what might be causing the insomnia, and then they can determine if changes can be made to remedy the issues, which may or may not include medication. This is what it means to give holistic care.13 -
Yes, she practices holistic health. She doesn't just treat the symptoms like I feel most medical docs do, but she talked to me for an hour and askef me about all aspects of my life. She treats the whole person, which is the foundation of holistic medicine. She works with herbal treatments and food as medicine. This May not be for everybody but it totally worked for me.
Science and research has shown that most "holistic" practices do absolutely nothing. Some can even be dangerous. The placebo effect is what usually happens (you think it will work and therefore you think you are starting to feel better). Science does not back holistic medicine at all.
What do you mean by "most "holistic" practices"? What practices and science/research are you talking about? If only most do absolutely nothing, which do?
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For years many doctors have believed ME, and fibromyalgia etc were 'made up' and yet there is now increasing evidence they are indeed real. Science just doesn't have all the answers. Look at all the recent changes in what they believe the role of lactic acid is in muscles.
I prefer to keep an open mind. I try not to blindly believe or stubbonly deny. I just accept that many facts are actually a balance of probability.
I have a lot of stomach/ intestinal discomfort, bloating, heart burn, constipation, diarrhea, nausea. I have been wondering if my history of antibiotics is a contributing factor. I had 7 courses last year and that's not unusual for me.
I have been diagnosed with IBS. But, I work in healthcare and GET the impression from Dr's that IBS is what they term any gastrointestinal problems they can't find a cause for. Certainly I hear drs talking about patients and treating IBS as a warning the patient probably has mental health issues. Not officially of course.7 -
http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/candidiasis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3163673/
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/302809.php
http://www.healthline.com/health/skin/candida-fungus#Overview1
I'll just leave this here for the nay-sayers. OP I hope you feel better soon. I'm current on anti fungal medication for candida infection.6 -
I've been learning a lot about the human biome lately and believe that conventional medicine is now coming round to appreciate the importance of gut health especially in some non-contagious chronic diseases. I have been consuming more fiber and probiotic food as a result of my understanding of gut health. Seems to be working.3
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there is a place in western medican for holistic/natural/chinese medicince. my Dr... yes... MD likes to use "natural" remedies for issues that are not life threatening. i have insomnia and interrupted sleep pattersns. He is trying every single "natural" remedy to get me to sleep better before just perscribing ambien which he is against. Amongst other health issues i dont need to get into.
I have Crohns diease.. its never going away. I was perscribed 16 pills a day of prednisone which didnt do ANYTHING for me and most people with the disease. Wether or not OP has candida overgrowth (which i would assume an endo/colonoscopy would show) there is nothinf wrong with seeking alternative treatments. I truly hope none of your are plagued with a real disease because you will lick a cactus if it means you will feel better regardless if an MD or a puppy told you.10 -
This was my opinion too. A friend had a naturopath prescribe what was basically a low carb diet to her because she was suffering from yeast overgrowth and therefore could not lose weight. Not surprisingly, the idea that she had a medical condition spurred her to follow this low carb diet religiously and she lost weight. It's been a bit of sore spot for me because of how often I had to listen to her spread the gospel.
BUT, I happened upon an article relaying results of a study that looks at the mycobiome (fungi in the gut). Curious what others think of this. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/gut-fungi-might-be-linked-obesity-and-inflammatory-bowel-disorders?tgt=nr
"Mice fed high-fat chow had less Saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast and more Candida albicans in their guts than did mice that ate standard chow. S. cerevisiae is a yeast used in making wine, beer and bread and has been associated with good health. C. albicans is an organism that causes many yeast infections.
Gale’s team also discovered that relationships between bacteria and fungi changed when mice’s diets were changed. Her team can’t yet show a direct connection between the composition of gut fungi and obesity, but suspects that shifting interactions between bacteria and fungi might lead the host to gain weight."
I do need to point out however that my friend had been advised to go on a low carb diet to prevent yeast overgrowth and this study suggests that a higher fat diet caused an increase in Candida albicans. I will also say that it is a big stretch to connect the changes in mycobiome and obesity with the little evidence we have at the moment.2 -
Again, candida overgrowth is a fake illness, so it is only inline with those who believe in pseudoscience. So when I see nonsense posted I will always post the correct information so that the lurkers in these forums get real science based information and hopefully save some people from getting taken advantage of by unscrupulous "holistic" snake oil salesmen.
So you're saying candida overgrowth of any kind is a fake illness? What about oral thrush? You're saying that is fake? You can actually see that with your own eyes, so how can you tell me that is fake?10 -
I think there are people in this thread who do not know what holistic means.3
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Again, candida overgrowth is a fake illness, so it is only inline with those who believe in pseudoscience. So when I see nonsense posted I will always post the correct information so that the lurkers in these forums get real science based information and hopefully save some people from getting taken advantage of by unscrupulous "holistic" snake oil salesmen.
So you're saying candida overgrowth of any kind is a fake illness? What about oral thrush? You're saying that is fake? You can actually see that with your own eyes, so how can you tell me that is fake?
Nice strawman. Please point out where I said any such thing. I'm an RN, worked in an ICU so yes I've seen oral thrush. If any of those patients were prescribed a special diet or wacky supplements they would end up in a body bag. Left untreated thrush can lead to invasive candidiasis or candidemia and can be quite deadly. But that is very different from the fake disease know as candida overgrowth or candida sensitivity that is so often diagnosed by quacks.7 -
BodyByButter wrote: »I think there are people in this thread who do not know what holistic means.
A lot of "holistic practitioners" obviously don't know what holistic means either, so there's that.5 -
Again, candida overgrowth is a fake illness, so it is only inline with those who believe in pseudoscience. So when I see nonsense posted I will always post the correct information so that the lurkers in these forums get real science based information and hopefully save some people from getting taken advantage of by unscrupulous "holistic" snake oil salesmen.
So you're saying candida overgrowth of any kind is a fake illness? What about oral thrush? You're saying that is fake? You can actually see that with your own eyes, so how can you tell me that is fake?
Nice strawman. Please point out where I said any such thing. I'm an RN, worked in an ICU so yes I've seen oral thrush. If any of those patients were prescribed a special diet or wacky supplements they would end up in a body bag. Left untreated thrush can lead to invasive candidiasis or candidemia and can be quite deadly. But that is very different from the fake disease know as candida overgrowth or candida sensitivity that is so often diagnosed by quacks.
You did say "candida overgrowth is a fake illness". So I guess I'm confused as to why you say you never said that? I guess technically it is an infection and not illness, but that's just getting into semantics.
Candida is an 'overgrowth' of fungus on the skin, mucus membranes, mouth etc....so call me confused.6 -
Again, candida overgrowth is a fake illness, so it is only inline with those who believe in pseudoscience. So when I see nonsense posted I will always post the correct information so that the lurkers in these forums get real science based information and hopefully save some people from getting taken advantage of by unscrupulous "holistic" snake oil salesmen.
So you're saying candida overgrowth of any kind is a fake illness? What about oral thrush? You're saying that is fake? You can actually see that with your own eyes, so how can you tell me that is fake?
Nice strawman. Please point out where I said any such thing. I'm an RN, worked in an ICU so yes I've seen oral thrush. If any of those patients were prescribed a special diet or wacky supplements they would end up in a body bag. Left untreated thrush can lead to invasive candidiasis or candidemia and can be quite deadly. But that is very different from the fake disease know as candida overgrowth or candida sensitivity that is so often diagnosed by quacks.
Also, diet can certainly play a roll in an overgrowth of candida. Yeast feeds on sugar so eating a lot of sugar when you have an infection certainly won't help anything. Limiting sugar intake when you have this problem can only aid in fixing it. As well as eating a diet high in good bacteria (yogurt, fermented foods etc)
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There are a number of illnesses which respond to a low carb diet - I believe the OP that she was ill and now feels better following a different diet. However, that doesn't mean she ever had anything related to candida overgrowth. One doesn't follow from the other. Her doctor can be a complete whack job and her diagnosis completely wrong, and the diet still might be helpful for other reasons.
My lupus related skin issues (with symptoms a lot like what the OP describes) do better on a lower sugar diet, simply because it's less inflammatory. It took me ten years to get a lupus diagnosis, because the symptoms can be anything - it's an autoimmune disorder which can affect any system, and comes and goes. Many symptoms in the early stages are vague and seemingly unconnected, and the usual response of doctors was to pat me on the head and reassure me that there was nothing seriously wrong - meanwhile, I was completely unable to do daily activities which had been routine for me a few months earlier. In fact my diagnosis breakthrough came when an urgent care doctor ran a Sed rate test "just to reassure you that you're fine" and it came back five times higher than he expected. Huh, finally people started paying attention.
So I completely sympathize with wanting to glom onto the first doctor who actually listens and acknowledges that there is a real problem. The failure of the traditional medical profession to do their job as diagnosticians unfortunately creates a niche for frauds and charlatans and snake oil salesmen pandering to the desperate.
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You can definitely get yeast infections after taking antibiotics. You can also be allergic to them. I have an allergy to sulfa. I will get a rash or hives. So, your symptoms sound very familiar to me. I think probiotics and limiting sugars would be very helpful. You probably want to avoid sulfa meds in the future.0
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