Push-ups are the devil!

buffalogal42
buffalogal42 Posts: 374 Member
edited November 13 in Fitness and Exercise
I'm a 39 year old woman, 190 lbs and 5'9" (down from 284) ... I have been doing group training classes for 2 years (3x wk) and now personal training for 4 months (2x wk with a goal of being able to do ONE "real man" push-up) ... and I still can't!

My first trainer focused a lot on triceps, shoulders, core, push-up negatives, chest ... my new one straps me into a harness once a week and has me do 100 push-ups (5 sets of 20) using the stack weights to help take weight off me. We started at 100lbs and are down to 40 lbs of counter-weight, but at 40 lbs I have to take a zillion breaks and I want to cry. I also do push-ups on my steps at home ... but I still can't do even one regular one.

I can push 750 lbs + on the prowler sled, climb the rope multiple times, do deadlifts/squats and weights I never imagined ... but the stupid push-up escapes me. What more can I do???
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  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    I hate them too!
  • lorrpb
    lorrpb Posts: 11,463 Member
    Maybe it's just not meant to be for some of us. :'(
  • canadianlbs
    canadianlbs Posts: 5,199 Member
    i'm trying. i really am . . . i have one shoulder that always wants to go rogue when i bench, and i feel like if i could just learn to control it through some kind of pushup progression, and then flip that whole feel upside down, i'd be good.

    but geez. i can bench 80 pounds for 5 reps and i weigh 135 or so atm. you'd think knee pushups would be do-able, right? not really.
  • Joanna2012B
    Joanna2012B Posts: 1,448 Member
    Hmm... I don't know what more you can do. I love push-ups it's my most favourite exercise to do!! I started off by doing knee push-ups, incorporating 1 toe push-up with each set! Increasing each time! The best I can say is just keep at it!
  • sgt1372
    sgt1372 Posts: 3,997 Member
    edited November 2016
    Time, repetition and perseverance.

    Worth the effort. I did a 100/day challenge in Aug which got me doing 50-150/day since then. Strict planks, including declines. Also doing dips and pullups, all of which have helped to build up my pecs, shoulders, back and arms, which has assisted in building strength to do even heavier BPs, OHPs and Rows.



  • VegasFit
    VegasFit Posts: 1,232 Member
    edited November 2016
    @buffalogal42, I don't have any push up advice but that's an awesome job on the weight loss! Congrats!
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    Also 190lbs in a lot to push ..as you lose weight and gain strength it will get easier
  • canadianlbs
    canadianlbs Posts: 5,199 Member
    i really like this little clip. https://youtu.be/qpcBos-EUug

    feel like if i just study it for long enough, the lightbulb will turn into actual form corrections.
  • kkapow03
    kkapow03 Posts: 7 Member
    You don't have to do 'manly' pushups for them to be effective. I have a shattered, inoperable left shoulder, so I do modified pushups against my kitchen counter, I stand about 2-3 feet from the counter, and do my pushups using the counter as my 'floor'. I have been successful doing them this way; with my injured shoulder, I'll never be able to do regular pushups, so this works for me.

    I have to modify a lot of my exercises; even walking on my TreadClimber; I had to start with the treadles locked into the flat treadmill to begin, then started increasing the resistance on the hydraulic cylinders until I was able to walk that without getting so out of breath, I've been able to increase my speed and can now use the treadles in the unlocked position to use the machine as it was intended; baby steps, I know, but it's working for me. I have a LOT of weight to lose, so any small success is a reason to celebrate for me! And my entering every morsel of food I put in my mouth into the food data base keeps me accountable also; I don't feel the need to 'cheat', because I know I have to look at it when I calculate my daily calorie intake.
    Congratulations on your journey! I know it's very hard, but you are doing great!
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    i really like this little clip. https://youtu.be/qpcBos-EUug

    feel like if i just study it for long enough, the lightbulb will turn into actual form corrections.

    I love those videos ...thanks for sharing @canadianlbs ...
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    That's very odd to be able to do rope climbs but not a push up. I wonder if your form is so horrible that you aren't allowing yourself to build the proper mechanics.
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    rybo wrote: »
    That's very odd to be able to do rope climbs but not a push up. I wonder if your form is so horrible that you aren't allowing yourself to build the proper mechanics.

    That's what I was thinking. Pushups should be much easier for most people than rope climbing. I'd pursue the form/injury road.
  • buffalogal42
    buffalogal42 Posts: 374 Member
    rybo wrote: »
    That's very odd to be able to do rope climbs but not a push up. I wonder if your form is so horrible that you aren't allowing yourself to build the proper mechanics.

    You'd think my trainers would tell me!
  • buffalogal42
    buffalogal42 Posts: 374 Member
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    Also 190lbs in a lot to push ..as you lose weight and gain strength it will get easier

    I agree ... but I see a lot of people heavier than me who can do at least a couple!
  • buffalogal42
    buffalogal42 Posts: 374 Member

    sgt1372 wrote: »
    Time, repetition and perseverance.

    Worth the effort. I did a 100/day challenge in Aug which got me doing 50-150/day since then. Strict planks, including declines. Also doing dips and pullups, all of which have helped to build up my pecs, shoulders, back and arms, which has assisted in building strength to do even heavier BPs, OHPs and Rows.



    You are probably right - more time and perseverance!! It's just when I see all these "learn to do pushups in 30 days" things I am irritated! Lol
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    edited November 2016
    rybo wrote: »
    That's very odd to be able to do rope climbs but not a push up. I wonder if your form is so horrible that you aren't allowing yourself to build the proper mechanics.

    You'd think my trainers would tell me!

    Something is not adding up somewhere. I can't picture someone that has the core and upper body strength to climb ropes and push a 750 pound prowler not able to do a single push up.

    Best of luck
  • Vailara
    Vailara Posts: 2,467 Member
    edited November 2016
    I think that many women have difficulty with upper body strength, and I think maybe some more than others - I know I do! I spent about a year trying to do push-ups while also losing weight and approaching age 50, even though I had never managed to do a single one when young, slim and fit! . I regularly tried incline pushups, and would also frequently have a go at trying to a proper pushup. I missed out the knee pushups, as my knees hurt and they didn't feel right. Anyway, I finally got there, while still in the obese range.

    I carried on doing them regularly then had a back injury last year, so stopped for a while, and now am nowhere near being able to do them (despite being lighter than when I could do them before). They really are hard! And it's obviously a case of use it or lose it! Like you I'm OK with squats and deadlifts, but always struggled to progress on OHP and BP. I think it's really, really difficult to get those upper body muscles big and strong, and that's where the problems lies.

    As I say, although it took a very long time (I think about a year, although I can't quite remember) I did get there eventually, so there is definitely hope for you!

    Good luck, and congratulations on the almost 100lb weight loss!
  • buffalogal42
    buffalogal42 Posts: 374 Member
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    rybo wrote: »
    That's very odd to be able to do rope climbs but not a push up. I wonder if your form is so horrible that you aren't allowing yourself to build the proper mechanics.

    You'd think my trainers would tell me!

    Something is note adding up somewhere. I can't picture someone that has the core and upper body strength to climb ropes and push a 750 pound prowler not able to do a single push up.

    Best of luck

    I'll get a pic up here one of these days so you can see. ;-)

    Actually, my first trainer told me he thought something was wrong with my brain, not my body, since I still can't do them! Lol
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    rybo wrote: »
    That's very odd to be able to do rope climbs but not a push up. I wonder if your form is so horrible that you aren't allowing yourself to build the proper mechanics.

    You'd think my trainers would tell me!

    Something is note adding up somewhere. I can't picture someone that has the core and upper body strength to climb ropes and push a 750 pound prowler not able to do a single push up.

    Best of luck

    I'll get a pic up here one of these days so you can see. ;-)

    Actually, my first trainer told me he thought something was wrong with my brain, not my body, since I still can't do them! Lol

    Yeah strength is not an issue
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    I can do low incline push ups just fine, but a real one on the toes? Nope.

    It takes time and doing progressions. Some people feel that no one will make any progression by doing them from the knees which is why I've concentrated on making progress doing incline push ups with lowering inclines. I don't know how true this is.

    I know another thing you can do is negatives to help build strength. I can do those too.
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    I can do low incline push ups just fine, but a real one on the toes? Nope.

    It takes time and doing progressions. Some people feel that no one will make any progression by doing them from the knees which is why I've concentrated on making progress doing incline push ups with lowering inclines. I don't know how true this is.

    I know another thing you can do is negatives to help build strength. I can do those too.

    Yes, this is generally considered better than pushups from the knees. Doing the pushups from the knees takes out much of the core work needed for pushups.

    This article explains it pretty well:
    https://breakingmuscle.com/bodyweight/why-knee-push-ups-wont-make-you-any-stronger
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    I do pushups against the kitchen counter, not the floor.

    Many years ago, I was in a car accident and dislocated my sterno-clavicular joint. (That's where your clavicles meat your sternum, sort of where your neck becomes your chest.) I've healed up, but full pushups stress it too much.
  • astrocosmiczoom
    astrocosmiczoom Posts: 86 Member
    When training for the military, I couldn't do one either. I had never been able to do even one. I don't know what magic happened. I just did calisthenics workouts and knee push-ups every single day until I could do about 30. Then, I could do about one "real" push-up. From there, over a few months, I pushed it out to three, then five, then ten, then fifteen. Now during my fitness test I can usually do about 35, but have done as many as 47 in a minute. They're my least favorite part, though.

    A huge difference in number of push-ups for me is where your arms are positioned. I tend to do them more wide-arm, with my elbows pointing out to either side, but some people like to do them with elbows-in, so when they go down, their elbows go back instead of to the sides. I find this works triceps and I absolutely cannot do them. The wider-arm variation relies more on chest and shoulder muscles, which I have. I can crank out maybe two the triceps way. Find the most comfortable arm position for you, because hey - a push-up is a push-up.
  • maxit
    maxit Posts: 880 Member
    edited November 2016
    I am working on pushups too, gradually lowering the incline (I use the smith machine bar for this). One thing that has helped me a lot is to keep elbows in rather than flaring them wide. This puts less stress on my shoulders. So your mileage may vary with form changes. I also found that as my plank time increased, my pushups got easier.
  • canadianlbs
    canadianlbs Posts: 5,199 Member
    edited November 2016
    rybo wrote: »
    That's very odd to be able to do rope climbs but not a push up. I wonder if your form is so horrible that you aren't allowing yourself to build the proper mechanics.

    i'm closer to getting the pullup thing than i am with pushups. and i rock the overhead press, form-and-mechanics wise. my bench press, not nearly so much.

    i think it's easier for me to stabilize/depress my wingy left shoulderblade when i'm doing it in the same plane as the force i'm using to do the lift/exercise. dk if that makes sense, but i'm pulling 'down' anyway against the pullup bar, so it's like the stability work can just shirt-tail on that. and i'm pushing 'up' anyway with my upper traps with an overhead press. so it's not as hard for my lower traps to pitch in and pull 'down'.

    with a pushup and bench i'm trying to hold that shoulderblade down and in, but the 'force' of a pushup and bench is at right angles to that. so it's a pat-head-rub-tummy huh what? firestorm just in that one sector of my body.

    **thanks to everyone for all the input and helpful tips here. and the op. i'm really starting to get all determined about getting this now **
  • Michael190lbs
    Michael190lbs Posts: 1,510 Member
    handstand pushups on the jungle gym are the hardest to get good at spotter is a must
  • SonyaCele
    SonyaCele Posts: 2,841 Member
    pushups are a body weight exercise. the more you weigh the harder they are. you can be very strong, but for every extra pound of body weight, its gonna be that much harder. Do a plank with your hands on the scale to get an idea of how much that # is. When i'm 190 i can only do a couple pushups. When i'm 130 i can do pushups all day long. Keep using the counter weight, so you are at least getting in the exercise. You will get stronger. You may or may not get strong enough to do a pushup at 190, but you will gain strength. If you are planning on losing more weight, you'll notice you'll start to be able to do more pushups as you lose weight. Even five pound weight loss makes a difference
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    edited November 2016
    SonyaCele wrote: »
    pushups are a body weight exercise. the more you weigh the harder they are. you can be very strong, but for every extra pound of body weight, its gonna be that much harder. Do a plank with your hands on the scale to get an idea of how much that # is. When i'm 190 i can only do a couple pushups. When i'm 130 i can do pushups all day long. Keep using the counter weight, so you are at least getting in the exercise. You will get stronger. You may or may not get strong enough to do a pushup at 190, but you will gain strength. If you are planning on losing more weight, you'll notice you'll start to be able to do more pushups as you lose weight. Even five pound weight loss makes a difference

    I agree, but the OP says she can climb a rope at 190. Most people would find that much harder than a pushup.
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