Fat freezing
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EastSideJohnny wrote: »I have flabby skin around my gut from where I lost a bunch of weight. My primary care doctor recommended this as opposed to a tummy tuck because of cost, effectiveness and most importantly--safety. Still undecided but interested.
I would talk to a board certified plastic surgeon before doing it. From my understanding it will not help with loose skin. I saw 7 different doctors before my tummy tuck and did a lot of research and I never came across one that recommended this for a weight loss patient to deal with the skin.2 -
The results are minor, but interestingly this is the only approach other than lipo that actually eliminates fat cells rather than just shrinking them. People who have lost a lot of weight may still suffer from endocrine/hormonal disruptions, as the fat cells remain metabolically active even after they have shrunk through weight loss.According to the results from the clinical trial, there were results but they were minor. I wouldn't waste my time or money.0 -
EastSideJohnny wrote: »I have flabby skin around my gut from where I lost a bunch of weight. My primary care doctor recommended this as opposed to a tummy tuck because of cost, effectiveness and most importantly--safety. Still undecided but interested.
@EastSideJohnny , how much total? With/without insurance?0 -
wackyfunster wrote: »
The results are minor, but interestingly this is the only approach other than lipo that actually eliminates fat cells rather than just shrinking them. People who have lost a lot of weight may still suffer from endocrine/hormonal disruptions, as the fat cells remain metabolically active even after they have shrunk through weight loss.According to the results from the clinical trial, there were results but they were minor. I wouldn't waste my time or money.
It is, but there are so few fat cells eliminated (given the targeted nature and limits of the technology) that I am doubtful that there would be any noticeable effect on the aforementioned disruptions. More study is needed.0 -
It's sounds awesome and if I had the money I'd be getting that and other laser stuff done to perfect my natural beauty. It must be how the rich stay looking rich. Maybe I can get an ice pack and freeze my own fat? Maybe some dry ice lol.1
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DaytonaTheHousecat wrote: »It's sounds awesome and if I had the money I'd be getting that and other laser stuff done to perfect my natural beauty. It must be how the rich stay looking rich. Maybe I can get an ice pack and freeze my own fat? Maybe some dry ice lol.
Because there's nothing quite as sexy as necrosis from frostbite.5 -
For once there is some actual research with positive findings for some methods;
1. Lasers Surg Med. 2009 Dec;41(10):703-8.
Cryolipolysis for subcutaneous fat layer reduction.
Avram MM, Harry RS.
Dermatology Laser & Cosmetic Center, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston,
Massachusetts 02114, USA. mavram@partners.org
BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVE: Cryolipolysis is a unique non-invasive method for the
selective reduction of fat cells with controlled, localized cooling. It is
important, therefore, to understand the potential efficacy and safety of this new
procedure for fat layer reduction. MATERIALS AND METHODS: A review of the
literature associated with cryolipolysis was performed to evaluate the findings
from pre-clinical and clinical studies with respect to the mechanism of action,
efficacy, and safety. RESULTS: Cryolipolysis has demonstrated efficacy in both
human and animal studies. Histology findings also confirm the selective reduction
of fat in both humans and animals, with evidence of a gradual thinning of the fat
layer over a period of two to four months. Importantly, cryolipolysis has not
produced any significant adverse side effects in studies to date and any noted
effects have been minor and temporary. CONCLUSION: Although the mechanism of
action for cryolipolysis is not yet completely understood, the efficacy and
safety of this non-invasive procedure for fat layer reduction has been
demonstrated in the studies available to data. Further studies willl assist in
identifying the mechanism and elucidate the full potential of this technology to
perform safe, non-invasive fat reduction for areas of local fat accumulation.
Copyright 2009 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
PMID: 20014262 [PubMed - in process]
2. Lasers Surg Med. 2009 Dec;41(10):785-90.
Non-invasive cryolipolysis for subcutaneous fat reduction does not affect serum
lipid levels or liver function tests.
Klein KB, Zelickson B, Riopelle JG, Okamoto E, Bachelor EP, Harry RS, Preciado
JA.
Endpoint LLC, Bainbridge Island, Washington 98110, USA.
BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVE: Cryolipolysis provides a method of non-invasive fat
reduction that significantly reduces subcutaneous fat without injury to adjacent
tissues. Preliminary animal and human data have suggested that cryolipolysis has
no effect on serum lipid profiles or liver tests. This study was intended to more
fully document any effect of this procedure on lipid and liver-related blood
tests. STUDY DESIGN/MATERIALS AND METHODS: Forty subjects with fat bulges on
their flanks ("love handles") were treated bilaterally with a non-invasive device
(Zeltiq Aesthetics, Pleasanton, CA) that precisely cools tissue to achieve a
reduction in the fat layer. Serum lipid levels and liver tests were measured
prior to treatment, and at 1 day and 1, 4, 8, and 12 weeks post-treatment.
RESULTS: No meaningful changes in mean values were observed for any blood lipid
level or liver test at any point over the 12-week follow-up period. CONCLUSION:
Cryolipolysis, when used for reduction of subcutaneous flank fat, is not
associated with changes in serum lipids or liver test results. Copyright 2009
Wiley-Liss, Inc.
PMID: 20014252 [PubMed - in process]
3. Dermatol Surg. 2009 Oct;35(10):1462-70. Epub 2009 Jul 13.
Cryolipolysis for noninvasive fat cell destruction: initial results from a pig
model.
Zelickson B, Egbert BM, Preciado J, Allison J, Springer K, Rhoades RW, Manstein
D.
Department of Dermatology, University of Minnesota Medical School, Minneapolis,
Minnesota, USA. zelic002@earthlink.net
BACKGROUND: Liposuction is one of the most frequently performed cosmetic
procedures in the United States, but its cost and downtime has led to the
development of noninvasive approaches for adipose tissue reduction. OBJECTIVE: To
determine whether noninvasive controlled and selective destruction of fat cells
(Cryolipolysis) can selectively damage subcutaneous fat without causing damage to
the overlying skin or rise in lipid levels. METHODS: Three Yucatan pigs underwent
Cryolipolysis at 22 sites: 20 at cooling intensity factor (CIF) index 24.5 (-43.8
mW/cm(2)), one at CIF 24.9 (-44.7 mW/cm(2)), and one at CIF 25.4 (-45.6
mW/cm(2)). Treated areas were evaluated using photography, ultrasound, and gross
and microscopic pathology. Lipids were at various times points. One additional
pig underwent Cryolipolysis at various days before euthanasia. RESULTS: The
treatments resulted in a significant reduction in the superficial fat layer
without damage to the overlying skin. An inflammatory response triggered by
cold-induced apoptosis of adipocytes preceded the reduction in the fat layer.
Evaluation of lipids over a 3-month period following treatment demonstrated that
cholesterol and triglyceride values remained normal. CONCLUSIONS: Cryolipolysis
is worthy of further study because it has been shown to significantly decrease
subcutaneous fat and change body contour without causing damage to the overlying
skin and surrounding structures or deleterious changes in blood lipids.
PMID: 19614940 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
4. Aesthetic Plast Surg. 2009 Jul;33(4):482-8. Epub 2009 Mar 19.
Clinical efficacy of noninvasive cryolipolysis and its effects on peripheral
nerves.
Coleman SR, Sachdeva K, Egbert BM, Preciado J, Allison J.
Department of Surgery, NYU School of Medicine, 44 Hudson Street, New York, NY
10013, USA. LipoStructure@yahoo.com
BACKGROUND: Cryolipolysis provides a method for noninvasive fat reduction that
significantly reduces subcutaneous fat in a pig model without apparent damage to
skin and surrounding structures. This study aimed to determine whether fat
reduction in humans caused by cold exposure is associated with alteration in
local sensory function or nerve fibers. METHODS: In this study, 10 subjects were
treated with a prototype cooling device. Fat reduction was assessed in 9 of the
10 subjects via ultrasound before treatment and at the follow-up visit. Sensory
function was assessed by neurologic evaluation (n = 9), and biopsies (n = 1) were
collected for nerve staining. RESULTS: Treatment resulted in a normalized fat
layer reduction of 20.4% at 2 months and 25.5% at 6 months after treatment.
Transient reduction in sensation occurred in six of nine subjects assessed by
neurologic evaluation. However, all sensation returned by a mean of 3.6 weeks
after treatment. Biopsies showed no long-term change in nerve fiber structure.
There were no lasting sensory alterations or observations of skin damage in any
of the subjects evaluated. CONCLUSION: Noninvasive cryolipolysis results in
substantial fat reduction within 2 months of treatment without damage to skin.
The procedure is associated with modest reversible short-term changes in the
function of peripheral sensory nerves.
PMID: 19296153 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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DaytonaTheHousecat wrote: »It's sounds awesome and if I had the money I'd be getting that and other laser stuff done to perfect my natural beauty. It must be how the rich stay looking rich. Maybe I can get an ice pack and freeze my own fat? Maybe some dry ice lol.
Because there's nothing quite as sexy as necrosis from frostbite.
I was only kidding.
I actually give myself home made coffee scrub massages on my thighs, that and walking have made my legs nice.0 -
It's a cosmetic procedure. It's not for weight loss. Results are questionable at best.0
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I've seen the studies like Trigden posted and do think modest results can be obtained in already lean individuals who have stubborn fat deposits.
I have some on my outer thighs that I'd have cool sculpted in a heartbeat if it weren't for the expense.
I agree that it's no substitute for diet and exercise.3 -
Seriously, if you want to freeze your *kitten* off, just visit Canada in the middle of winter.2
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EastSideJohnny wrote: »I have flabby skin around my gut from where I lost a bunch of weight. My primary care doctor recommended this as opposed to a tummy tuck because of cost, effectiveness and most importantly--safety. Still undecided but interested.
I would talk to a board certified plastic surgeon before doing it. From my understanding it will not help with loose skin. I saw 7 different doctors before my tummy tuck and did a lot of research and I never came across one that recommended this for a weight loss patient to deal with the skin.
^^^ THIS. You need to talk to a plastic surgeon instead of your primary care physician.
I have not had this done, but did consult this summer with a board certified plastic surgeon and talked with a factory Rep from the company that makes the coolsculpting devices. They both made it clear that it is meant to reduce small, localized areas of excess fat; but it is not effective in shrinking pre-existing loose skin.
It was a bummer to hear because I was searching for an effective, non-invasive way to improve loose skin after weight loss. But I'm glad they were both honest with me.0 -
Um...
Sounds similar to liposuction but different technique and takes 3 months...
How about just eat in a caloric deficit for 3 months instead and lose probably the same amount of fat or more and more naturally without fear of something going terribly wrong?
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courtneyfabulous wrote: »Um...
Sounds similar to liposuction but different technique and takes 3 months...
How about just eat in a caloric deficit for 3 months instead and lose probably the same amount of fat or more and more naturally without fear of something going terribly wrong?
Um...
Because some people do all of that, reach a healthy weight, and still have stubborn, localized areas of fat that they would like to improve.5 -
AllSpiceNice wrote: »courtneyfabulous wrote: »Um...
Sounds similar to liposuction but different technique and takes 3 months...
How about just eat in a caloric deficit for 3 months instead and lose probably the same amount of fat or more and more naturally without fear of something going terribly wrong?
Um...
Because some people do all of that, reach a healthy weight, and still have stubborn, localized areas of fat that they would like to improve.
Seriously. I'm only about 2 pounds away from my maybe goal of 115 pounds and just have these two tiny areas on my outer thighs I can't stand. I have loose skin elsewhere, but these are just fat bumps. I'd love for them to be gone, but we just can't afford it.
I have a decent body fat percentage, I run, I lift weights. I still have these saddle bags.
I am a healthy weight. I've been a healthy weight for a while. These puppies aren't going anywhere.2 -
courtneyfabulous wrote: »Um...
Sounds similar to liposuction but different technique and takes 3 months...
How about just eat in a caloric deficit for 3 months instead and lose probably the same amount of fat or more and more naturally without fear of something going terribly wrong?
Did you read the posts above you discussing what reasonable expectations for this procedure are?4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »AllSpiceNice wrote: »courtneyfabulous wrote: »Um...
Sounds similar to liposuction but different technique and takes 3 months...
How about just eat in a caloric deficit for 3 months instead and lose probably the same amount of fat or more and more naturally without fear of something going terribly wrong?
Um...
Because some people do all of that, reach a healthy weight, and still have stubborn, localized areas of fat that they would like to improve.
Seriously. I'm only about 2 pounds away from my maybe goal of 115 pounds and just have these two tiny areas on my outer thighs I can't stand. I have loose skin elsewhere, but these are just fat bumps. I'd love for them to be gone, but we just can't afford it.
I have a decent body fat percentage, I run, I lift weights. I still have these saddle bags.
I am a healthy weight. I've been a healthy weight for a while. These puppies aren't going anywhere.
I hear ya... the area under my glutes is tenacious
! I am bulking right now so we will see if I can help it along by building muscle then cutting down again. Otherwise part of me is seriously considering trying this freezing thing 
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I had a consultation with a board certified physician. I am 64 years my Buddha (tummy) is old and complacent. Cool sculpting works effectively for the very young 30-45 years. I'm considering SmartLipo. Liposuction to expel the fat cells then laser to tighten the skin. Decision is still unfounded. Am I vain? DH supports me.
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This was driving me crazy too. From what I have read so far (shady sources), the fat is affected at a higher temperature than where skin or nerve damage occurs. The biggest issue comes with the length of time it takes to see results and the expense of multiple treatments required. Liposuction gets it done faster and cheaper.2 -
jonni82014 wrote: »I had a consultation with a board certified physician. I am 64 years my Buddha (tummy) is old and complacent. Cool sculpting works effectively for the very young 30-45 years. I'm considering SmartLipo. Liposuction to expel the fat cells then laser to tighten the skin. Decision is still unfounded. Am I vain? DH supports me.
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Oh, that's good to know. I'm older than that, so I can cross cool-sculpting off my fantasy wish list.
Oddly, my stomach, which is not ideal thanks to having a whopper of a baby at 40, doesn't bother me all that much. Neither do my batwings. It's the saddlebags I can't stand.2 -
"They" whoever "they" are state that the abs is relatively easier to work off for women and the most difficult for men. Saddlebags on the other hand are the hardest to work off for women and well men's physiques may not have them. Maybe Trigden can weigh in (pun intended) on this subject. I am keeping my batwings and saddlebags for now. It's the Buddha that has to go. I look at her all the time. She is a stubborn fat deposit.0
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CorneliusPhoton: Just a note: Lipo is about 7X the cost of CoolSculpt.0
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robininfl: Just a note: A certified board plastic surgeon will not perform Lipo on person with large volumes of fat. Usually the procedure is performed on persons who have primarily completed their lifestyle change journey and is unable to be rid of the stubborn fat area. Who wants to HIDE behind fatty deposits. I have hid for years it is time to "bloom!" Lipo is body contouring.Yes, they can re-distribute your fat cells; as an example to your breasts. Science is a beautiful "thing." I really like what Carlos_421 states "I can see where there would be a great deal of failure or even disaster if someone attempted to use this as an actual weight loss technique."0
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jonni82014 wrote: »robininfl: Just a note: A certified board plastic surgeon will not perform Lipo on person with large volumes of fat. Usually the procedure is performed on persons who have primarily completed their lifestyle change journey and is unable to be rid of the stubborn fat area.
That wasn't my experience. Maybe I wasn't considered somebody who had large volumes of fat, but my surgeon was happy to serve me as I wished. And I saw a lot of his 'before and after' pics of people who had a lot more than just stubborn fat!
jonni82014 wrote: »CorneliusPhoton: Just a note: Lipo is about 7X the cost of CoolSculpt.
Where did you get your 7x figure? Looking at an average cost of $1000 per area for coolsculpt (reviewers posted their costs here: https://www.realself.com/coolsculpting-by-zeltiq), the price is comparable to my experience with lipo. In fact my lipo on 3 areas was cheaper than this lady's cool sculpting just on her stomach. While coolsculpting's greatest asset is that it is less invasive than lipo, results are going to be less predictable, less noticeable, and will take longer to get.
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jonni82014 wrote: »robininfl: Just a note: A certified board plastic surgeon will not perform Lipo on person with large volumes of fat. Usually the procedure is performed on persons who have primarily completed their lifestyle change journey and is unable to be rid of the stubborn fat area. Who wants to HIDE behind fatty deposits. I have hid for years it is time to "bloom!" Lipo is body contouring.Yes, they can re-distribute your fat cells; as an example to your breasts. Science is a beautiful "thing." I really like what Carlos_421 states "I can see where there would be a great deal of failure or even disaster if someone attempted to use this as an actual weight loss technique."
Google large volume liposuction. It's a thing.0 -
True. Only if you have completed their lifestyle change journey. Not as a weight loss procedure.
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DaytonaTheHousecat wrote: »DaytonaTheHousecat wrote: »It's sounds awesome and if I had the money I'd be getting that and other laser stuff done to perfect my natural beauty. It must be how the rich stay looking rich. Maybe I can get an ice pack and freeze my own fat? Maybe some dry ice lol.
Because there's nothing quite as sexy as necrosis from frostbite.
I was only kidding.
I actually give myself home made coffee scrub massages on my thighs, that and walking have made my legs nice.
I am intrigued! Tell me more about this home made coffee scrub! Used coffee grinds I presume? I'm going to start stockpiling a stash of grinds...LOL0
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