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Who really know what's healthy anymore?

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  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
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    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Do you feel your best right now cause the weight is coming off? It seriously cannot be due to your current medication and calorie intake.. VLCD with medication seems unwarranted and quite extreme with ONLY 15 pounds to lose.

    Doctors will care cause you mention your concerns to them. And if they can't help they should refer to you the appropriate doctor or resource that can.. If they are not listening you keep trying.

    Doctors do get perks for the scripts they write from pharmaceutical companies.. Its their job to try and cure with pills.. I think you can do all of this for free using the tools available to you, along side the community here for advice when needed. The forums and Most Helpful Posts provides priceless amounts of information to educate you and help you.. again its free..

    I would ditch the doctor personally.

    Just a comment. The bolded is changing. Some health care systems are now forbidding employees from taking benefits with any monetary value from any vendor - that includes pharmaceutical companies. Mine won't even let you take a free pen and notepad from a rep anymore. If you do and they find out about it is considered a conflict of interest and is grounds for dismissal.

    Not that I think OP is seeing a doctor that would honor such a rule. Not with the prescriptions he/she is apparently making.
  • BigGuy47
    BigGuy47 Posts: 1,768 Member
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    You're right in that knowing what's healthy can be confusing with all the information coming at us.

    What's not confusing is things that are clearly unhealthy. Body dysmorphic disorder is unhealthy.
  • meowmeow4268
    meowmeow4268 Posts: 3 Member
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    Whoa! Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond here, I appreciate it! Just a few questions answered really quick:

    -The nutritionist I mentioned speaking with (over the course of 6 months, 1 hour every two weeks) IS a registered dietitian. She has never given me a meal plan, never told me to restrict calories, just told me to accept the way I am which--I get it, but I also can't lie to myself and say I am happy with the way I look and my clothes fit. I'm not trying to get my high school body back or anything crazy, just be comfortable and not think about eating/body image all the time. Thus, the conundrum that was my post.

    -I should have specified that the 800-1000 calories is NET calories, so the bottom line is actually higher. My apologies, that was confusing. So a quick description, you'd take the protein, fiber and alcohol sugars in a given food, multiple by four (four calories in 1g protein, fiber, AS) and subtract that from the total calories in the food = NET calories. It's not as crazy as it sounds. There are other parts of it, like getting in 80-100g protein daily, making sure protein is the first thing you eat in the am. I'm not saying this is a perfect way to eat I am just saying what they told me.

    -I have no idea why they gave me the phentermine it was optional and they told me it was an appetite suppressant, so I took it thinking any little help is good help, but I don't feel high or wired I just don't feel low, I'm just normal when I take it. I don't take it everyday even though I am supposed to out of fear of dependence.

    -According to BMI I am juuuuust into the overweight category I am 5'7, I was 167lbs, 26yo female. 29.8 BMI

    - I admit a certain level of lacking in self control, I love food and I love trying to restaurants and going out with friends, the phentermine helps with that.

    -I am not a complete idiot and I know what nutritious food is and what isn't, I promise. This isn't the first instance I have tried to lose this weight, it's been a couple years of experimenting with different types of exercise, personal training, food cutting, etc. I never expected to lose the weight over night but after three months of vigorous exercise 4-5 times per week, and dieting with no results I was looking for different answers. Things I know: 1. I live in the beer capital of the U.S. and I drink too much of it. 2. I lived in an awesome place with amazing restaurants and I eat too much of that. 3. I have a desk job that puts me in front of a computer 8 hours a day which is the worst.

    -I was tested and DIAGNOSED with low thyroid, that is why I was put on medication, it was not out of the blue or just a guess. I have since stopped taking the medication after leveling out.

    -Totally right about the doctors getting perks for prescriptions, my mother is a nurse at a neurosurgical group, and it drives her crazy and I have heard about it my entire life. They too have made changes where this can't happen anymore. (They use to give doctors whole paid vacations, cars, etc.).

    My point was, no one really wanted to give me the time of day until phentermine doctor, so I guess I was just happy someone listened to my concerns instead of turning me away. Now I wake up early in the morning, I walk around the neighborhood for 45 minutes everyday, with this app I am able to see how much I was actually eating and where to cut back. If everyone has something different to say about health, whose to say it's not healthy for me to live this way until I can get to a spot where I feel comfortable?

    If you read through all the suggestions here, you will see my point.

    Thanks again for all of your responses, this is such a cool community of people and a great app.

  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,134 Member
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    Off-topic, but I didn't know you could stop taking thyroid medication. I thought it was a forever kind of thing.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
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    Some of the things doctors told me:

    -Drink more coffee if you feel depressed and tired
    -Take birth control to help with depresssion
    -you don't need to lose weight, you need a psychiatrist for body image issues

    When I asked my current doctor what a healthy weight would be for me to shoot for, he finally told me what I wanted to hear--only I can decide my ideal weight, only I know where I feel good.

    Any thoughts?

    drink more coffee if you are depressed and tired? coffee is not going to cure or treat depression(ive had depression before),or at least not that I know of,it can give you energy

    Birth control for depression? umm birth control is usually used to prevent pregnancy,regulate hormones and help with cysts and what not but for depression? the 3rd one is the only one I would agree with. as for not taking your thyroid meds,I dont think that is something you should be doing,Im pretty sure once you are on them you are on them for life. even if your thyroid levels have leveled out you still take it. get a new dr and a dietitian(a new one) both sound like they just want to prescribe meds and not get to the real issues
  • meowmeow4268
    meowmeow4268 Posts: 3 Member
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    zyxst wrote: »
    Off-topic, but I didn't know you could stop taking thyroid medication. I thought it was a forever kind of thing.

    Mine was not astronomically low, It was diagnosed using a 24 urine test, and was actually normal if measured using the standard blood test. The next doctor I went to told me the urine test was always more accurate, so they did that, said it was low and put me on thyroid meds, then told me if I started feeling better, got period again I can go off them. (so I did).
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,298 Member
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    If you visit a functional doctor the probability is that you will not need to take thyroid medication all your life. They set out to discover the cause of your symptoms, then set to correcting them, providing the right combination of vitamins and minerals, etc, sometimes with conventional medications. The idea is to enable the person if at all possible to regain thyroid function by nutrition. This process can be complicated involving balancing the endocrine system.

    Conversely general western medicine tell you to take this t4 synthetic iodine and think, tell you, it is job done. Pharmaceutical companies are happy because they have someone trapped for a life time, so the £'s or $'s pour in. Many people being treated by the tsh method are left with the symptoms they already had. Most people with thyroid issues are women. The numbers effected are 8 or 9 women to 1 man.

    It is possible for many people to manage without medication. There is a larger proportion of our population who are un-diagnosed with a thyroid condition in the world than there are treated ones! It is more common than you think. The problems do get worse if you do not take thyroid support. One site gives 300 as the possible number of symptoms. The thyroid hormone t3 the active form, in different texts its referred to as, "the spark of life", in others "the Brain hormone", because the brain needs so very much of it, people who do not respond to mental health medication probably have a form of t3 thyroid hormone problem. It is that important and used to be recognised.

    As the thyroid declines. a person will develop "their" bodies personal choice of; "digestive" issues, (discover reactions to different foods for no apparent reason) develop IBS or develop Gaul stones, have low stomach acid and liver problems. "heart" issues, some "cancers", "reproductive" health issues, "breathing" problems, chemical sensitivity and more, but none of this matters as long as the tsh is in the normal range, according to the general medical system. This system particularly in the UK makes no allowance for those with allergic or intolerant reactions to the medication, they are not permitted to offer a hypoallergenic version for those who's condition actually gets worse when on the medication. It is the patient, not the medication which is at fault. These people are left with nowhere to go.

    The role the thyroid plays within the Endocrine system is understated. Please do your own research. Read from Stop the Thyroid Madness, which has been about for 20 years or more,in the hope of reforming the poor treatment. Read from your national thyroid support sites. Most interesting are the hospital papers released into the public realm, its probable in a couple of evenings reading you will have learned more than the average medical student, frightening! Sufferers who fail to fall into the Western Medical "proforma of symptoms" can become more knowledgeable than many doctors trying to in theory help them. I'm one, now using the functional perspective with wonderful results. Getting my life back. I'll never take an antibiotic again if I can avoid it. Antibiotics play hell with the digestive tract microbes killing the beneficial ones as well as what ails you. This can lead to autoimmune problems because the majority of the immune system is in the gut. Specific microbes in the form of probiotics designed to replace the microbes eliminated by antibiotics, can work real wonders. The science is there, please look.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
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    zyxst wrote: »
    Off-topic, but I didn't know you could stop taking thyroid medication. I thought it was a forever kind of thing.

    She's the second person I've seen say that.

    I don't know. I have autoimmune thyroid problems, and that is the most common form of underactive thyroid. As far as I know, your immune system doesn't just stop attacking your thyroid.

    This is just weird to me. I've been on medication now since 1995.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
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    yeah Im not going to let some book tell me differently.especially when the "dr" who wrote the book has no background in any kind of health issues.no degrees is health,science,etc.https://www.linkedin.com/in/janiebowthorpe
    most of the drs who helped her with the book are naturopaths/alternative "drs" and ones a gynecologist.
  • Traveler120
    Traveler120 Posts: 712 Member
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    If you're in the normal BMI range already, then your dr is right to say your ideal weight is upto your own personal preference. I prefer to be in the lower end of the healthy range.
  • Junebuggyzy
    Junebuggyzy Posts: 345 Member
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    I have been hypothyroid and on Synthroid for a long time. I beg you to go to an Endocrinologist and not listen to the people on the internet or so-called experts that write books. If your TSH and Free T4 blood tests are in the normal range, you don't need medication. If you take medication it could make you hyperthyroid. You'll feel great and have more energy, but that can lead to Osteoporosis. No ethical Endocrinologist would prescribe medication for someone who doesn't need it.
  • Junebuggyzy
    Junebuggyzy Posts: 345 Member
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    Hey community! Just popping in to ask your thoughts on something that has been driving me a little crazy over the years. We are constantly bombarded with information about what's healthy, how to maintain or lose weight, how to bulk up and how to "look hot in our jeans again." Is one of those people who got suckered into weightloss miracle pills and shakes. I've always been an active person up until my recent desk job status, but what I really want to know is what are your experiences with doctors or nutritionists when you tell them you want to lose some weight? I'm not obese, I have a higher BMI but not over weight and lately haven't felt comfortable in my own skin, I've been through some depression episodes, and have felt that if I can lose about 15 pounds, I'd feel like my old self again. When nothing worked and the scale wouldn't budge even though I was limiting calories and going to high intensity personal training sessions, I sought out some help. I hired a very expensive nutritionist, went to some holistic doctors that diagnosed me with low thyroid and prescribed hormones. I went to a obgyn as I hadn't had a period in months, my health was just out of whack! When I got that on track and the weight still wasn't coming off, but going up I panicked and went to a weightloss clinic.

    If I told my nutritionist this, she would scold me. When I told her I was limiting my calories, I was scolded. She basically tells me not to worry about food, stop going out to eat, and limit alcohol and everything will balance out on its own. I was denied any help from the first weightloss clinic I visited, as they said that I didn't have enough to lose. I tried another and This weightloss clinic doctor prescribed phentermine, a popular appetite suppressant (I know, bad! But hold on, it's not so bad!) and a restrictive diet of 800 net calories for two weeks, then one week of 1200 calories. For the first time in a long time I feel great. I've had no bad side effects from the phentermine, this is my second week on it, I've been able to make better choices when eating because I'm not starving all the time, and I've been exercising for 30 mins a day without being miserable about it. Obviously won't be on it forever, but with how much I thought about the weight and how uncomfortable I felt, it was nice to have someone listen and understand and try to help. I think weight gain happens quickly and it sneaks up on us when we're younger and I just wanted to keep it in check. Does anyone else have a similar experience with doctors who really didn't care unless they were morbidly obese or extremely over weight?

    Some of the things doctors told me:

    -Drink more coffee if you feel depressed and tired
    -Take birth control to help with depresssion
    -you don't need to lose weight, you need a psychiatrist for body image issues

    When I asked my current doctor what a healthy weight would be for me to shoot for, he finally told me what I wanted to hear--only I can decide my ideal weight, only I know where I feel good.

    Any thoughts?

    Yikes! I take Phentermine. My doctor will only prescribe it to someone in the Obese category. I eat way too much and tend to binge on sweets. Phentermine helps me to pay attention to what I am eating. More important for me is to log my food. I am also careful to eat unprocessed foods as much as possible.
  • Gamliela
    Gamliela Posts: 2,468 Member
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    When I read threads like this I get this notion that doctors these days will give anyone anything they think will make them happy and hope to keep them coming back for appointments. The more drug perscriptions the better. Sorry, but imo.