Carb Blockers?
flagrantavidity
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I keep hearing about Phaseolus Vulgaris - White Kidney Bean extract. I am not looking for a cure all magic pill but a little support would be nice! (since my body works against me!)
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What do you mean by your body works against you?0
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Yes please elaborate. Are you sure it's not a case of the placebo lack of knowledge fever?0
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Good question! I lost a lot of weight but will always have the same amount of fat cells, what some people call "fat memory." My metabolism has slowed down after loosing weight, and there is a good chance my metabolism wont recover. Finally, the reduction of leptin has made me very hungry, constantly and its very hard to maintain self-control being constantly hungry.
This is what I mean by my body is working against me.1 -
Have you considered trying to add muscle? Your thread in Food said you are 5'7" and went from 200 to 130 in 6 months and then bigger back to 140. My guess is you don't have much muscle. I think you'd feel better if you would eat enough to build muscle rather than trying to get back to 130.3
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I can start a thread on muscle gain a little later, I would like to get back to the original topic of Phaseolus Vulgaris as a carb blocker.
I am looking for some support, not a cure, and if Phaseolus Vulgaris is really able to block carb digestion so carbs don't break down into sugars that are stored as fat - it would be nice to have that support tool on my side.0 -
If you are not eating in excess you will not be increasing your fat stores. If you are eating so many carbs that you are increasing fat stores, eat fewer calories (whether from carbs or not.)2
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Why not just avoid eating the carbs rather than taking an extract that might have side effects and may or may not do what you'd like it to do?3
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Why not just limit carbs?
I'm not sure I'd be convinced there's such a thing as an effective 'carb blocker' per se, as any T2D can tell you
PS: ditto on the recommendation to start a weight training program
eta: last part cause apparently my lack of carbs is limiting my ability to string a few words together
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flagrantavidity wrote: »Good question! I lost a lot of weight but will always have the same amount of fat cells, what some people call "fat memory." My metabolism has slowed down after loosing weight, and there is a good chance my metabolism wont recover. Finally, the reduction of leptin has made me very hungry, constantly and its very hard to maintain self-control being constantly hungry.
This is what I mean by my body is working against me.
Ummm, nope.2 -
There is much wrong with your thinking, but I'll give you what you want. The only study I can find (you should be looking at actual studies instead of asking in a forum if you want to get all scientific) is this one:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22844674
It's pretty old. It looks like they found some correlation but admitted they couldn't come to any definitive conclusions, and that more studies were needed.
I've never heard of decreased leptin from losing weight. This sounds like something you would see on Mercola's website. You're probably hungry because you lost 70 pounds in 24 weeks, which is way faster than the top of the range of most recommendations (2 pounds per week). I can only guess your methods were unsustainable, or you would continue using them to keep it off instead of starting a thread about kidney beans.
You've shown you can lose weight and that's great. But if you want to keep it off long term and remain healthy, stop looking for shortcuts and make a sustainable lifestyle change. Keep your CICO in check, establish a healthy diet with a lot of variety, and be active. I wish you the best of luck in achieving your goals.8 -
flagrantavidity wrote: »Good question! I lost a lot of weight but will always have the same amount of fat cells, what some people call "fat memory." My metabolism has slowed down after loosing weight, and there is a good chance my metabolism wont recover. Finally, the reduction of leptin has made me very hungry, constantly and its very hard to maintain self-control being constantly hungry.
This is what I mean by my body is working against me.
Another thought....I've heard about the whole fat cell thing and wondered if anyone who touts that, considers that cells eventually die. I expect you won't be lugging them around with you forever.
What you said above is also a lot of conjecture. You're guessing that your metabolism won't ever recover, you will have these fat cells with you forever, and your leptin is impaired, so you're doomed.
I lost 30# 4 years ago. I don't know if my fat cells are still around, but I'm still 30#'s lighter, so I don't care
Here's an easy solution for ya: Feeling hungry?...go take the dog for a walk, earn some calories with activity & eat within your caloric limit.0 -
No health conditions, not taking medications, most recent blood work was "phenomenal." I run 2 miles min every day, average 30k steps a day, do a 5x5 weight routine every other day or at least 3 times a week.
My most recent cholesterol readings:
Cholesterol 174 mg/dL
Triglyceride 57 mg/dL
HDL Chol 79 mg/dL
LDL Calc 94 mg/dL0 -
If that is all the case, your immense cravings could be due to trying to adhere to eating too few calories per day. Your other thread said you were aiming for 2500 per day. How did you come up with that number?1
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flagrantavidity wrote: »No health conditions, not taking medications, most recent blood work was "phenomenal." I run 2 miles min every day, average 30k steps a day, do a 5x5 weight routine every other day or at least 3 times a week.
My most recent cholesterol readings:
Cholesterol 174 mg/dL
Triglyceride 57 mg/dL
HDL Chol 79 mg/dL
LDL Calc 94 mg/dL
Yet your body is working against you?
I stand by my previous post. If you want to stay healthy and maintain your weight long term, establish a sustainable balance in your diet and exercise.4 -
singletrackmtbr wrote: »flagrantavidity wrote: »No health conditions, not taking medications, most recent blood work was "phenomenal." I run 2 miles min every day, average 30k steps a day, do a 5x5 weight routine every other day or at least 3 times a week.
My most recent cholesterol readings:
Cholesterol 174 mg/dL
Triglyceride 57 mg/dL
HDL Chol 79 mg/dL
LDL Calc 94 mg/dL
Yet your body is working against you?
Well now...that's a horse of a different color, isn't it?1 -
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If you are going to take carb blockers, make sure you live alone as you will gas anyone within a 20 foot radius out of your house! And also make sure to bring a shirt that you can tie around your waist with you when you go out, for when you inevitably do a "shart"...
Not speaking from experience or anything
IMHO it would be a lot easier to just reduce your carbs.3 -
flagrantavidity wrote: »Calorie calculator: Here
That gives 2585 for 130 lbs and 2663 for 140. You were eating 2500 and are now aiming at 1800. Why?
You are consistently underfueling yourself and then when you binge you blame it on fat memory. It's not fat memory. It's undereating.4 -
Christine_72 wrote: », make sure you live alone as you will gas anyone within a 20 foot radius out of your house!
HaHa!!!
I already have this problem, I eat a good portion of oats and gas out when I drink/eat a protein snack - Its horrid! Glad the wife still loves me
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But sharts? Oh hell no!!!
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flagrantavidity wrote: »Good question! I lost a lot of weight but will always have the same amount of fat cells, what some people call "fat memory." My metabolism has slowed down after loosing weight, and there is a good chance my metabolism wont recover. Finally, the reduction of leptin has made me very hungry, constantly and its very hard to maintain self-control being constantly hungry.
This is what I mean by my body is working against me.
Who were all these things diagnosed by?
[ETA:] Everybody who loses weight will have the same amount/number of fat cells afterward. The adipocytes (fat cells) don't die or go away, they're simply emptied of fat content. So you're not unique in that regard, you're just like everybody else.3 -
flagrantavidity wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: », make sure you live alone as you will gas anyone within a 20 foot radius out of your house!
HaHa!!!
I already have this problem, I eat a good portion of oats and gas out when I drink/eat a protein snack - Its horrid! Glad the wife still loves me .
But sharts? Oh hell no!!!
Well, give them a try at your own peril. I have a cast iron gut and i can eat/consume anything without consequence, but these pills did NOT agree with me at all!
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Who were all these things diagnosed by?
Science. We can't reduce the number of fat cells we have, except through surgery.
According to tests my metabolism has indeed slowed. This is a known side effect of loosing a large amount of weight and not unexpected, nor unusual.
I have had blood test and my leptin hormone is lower than "normal."0 -
How about stop trying to find the easy way out? I was 213lbs. Easily 65lbs over weight. I lost it all. And even with all of those fat cells I can get down to 6-7% body fat and be shredded with abs. Due to the fact that I eat with my calories often consuming 350-450g of carbs a day. Eat at a deficit of you don't want to gain fat. Eat at a surplus and lift progressively if you want to reduce that appetite with minimal fat gains.3
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flagrantavidity wrote: »Who were all these things diagnosed by?
Science. We can't reduce the number of fat cells we have, except through surgery.
According to tests my metabolism has indeed slowed. This is a known side effect of loosing a large amount of weight and not unexpected, nor unusual.
I have had blood test and my leptin hormone is lower than "normal."
Please, share your results. In number and detail. Also, how was your metabolism tested? Again, share details and numbers.
ETA: No, I'm not asking for your medical records. I'm asking you to share what was tested and what your numbers were. Because I'm skeptical, and other people are reading this.0 -
flagrantavidity wrote: »Who were all these things diagnosed by?
Science. We can't reduce the number of fat cells we have, except through surgery.
According to tests my metabolism has indeed slowed. This is a known side effect of loosing a large amount of weight and not unexpected, nor unusual.
I have had blood test and my leptin hormone is lower than "normal."
You've got to stop. You stated in your food thread you've been binge eating, sometimes an extra 2000 calories in ice cream and sweets. This coincided with your ten pound weight gain, yet you're blaming leptin, slow metabolism, and your fat cells.
You also made it clear that you have an addictive personality. I commend you for shedding your demons, but the characteristics of that personality are still on display in these threads (external locus of control is the one that really is jumping out at me).
I'm all for support, but you're going to be hard pressed to find it until you start getting real. This is Occam's razor, and it won't be circumvented with shortcuts. I feel dumber than I did an hour ago when I first clicked on this thread.6 -
MissusMoon wrote: »flagrantavidity wrote: »Who were all these things diagnosed by?
Science. We can't reduce the number of fat cells we have, except through surgery.
According to tests my metabolism has indeed slowed. This is a known side effect of loosing a large amount of weight and not unexpected, nor unusual.
I have had blood test and my leptin hormone is lower than "normal."
Please, share your results. In number and detail. Also, how was your metabolism tested? Again, share details and numbers.
Surely we aren't going to demand people post their private medical records here before they get help?1 -
diannethegeek wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »flagrantavidity wrote: »Who were all these things diagnosed by?
Science. We can't reduce the number of fat cells we have, except through surgery.
According to tests my metabolism has indeed slowed. This is a known side effect of loosing a large amount of weight and not unexpected, nor unusual.
I have had blood test and my leptin hormone is lower than "normal."
Please, share your results. In number and detail. Also, how was your metabolism tested? Again, share details and numbers.
Surely we aren't going to demand people post their private medical records here before they get help?
No, I'm not asking for private medical records. Certainly anyone can state the type of testing done and what the numbers are.
ETA: Really?????0 -
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singletrackmtbr wrote: »I feel dumber than I did an hour ago when I first clicked on this thread.
How sad, I didnt realize reading could kill brain cells. That must be a bummer!
I dont believe I ever attributed my weight gain to anything besides calories in Vs out. More in than out is going to lead to weight gain. Yes, binging on sugar is not good - I chose sugar over other items because welll i think its because I removed it in my diet for so long.
From what I am hearing from some people is I should be eating more.
Perhaps my misunderstanding is on the role carbs play in the body, how they are broken down, and the way that sugar they are broken down into is used or stored.
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MissusMoon wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »flagrantavidity wrote: »Who were all these things diagnosed by?
Science. We can't reduce the number of fat cells we have, except through surgery.
According to tests my metabolism has indeed slowed. This is a known side effect of loosing a large amount of weight and not unexpected, nor unusual.
I have had blood test and my leptin hormone is lower than "normal."
Please, share your results. In number and detail. Also, how was your metabolism tested? Again, share details and numbers.
Surely we aren't going to demand people post their private medical records here before they get help?
No, I'm not asking for private medical records. Certainly anyone can state the type of testing done and what the numbers are.
ETA: Really?????
Heh..I didn't think you were, either. OP already showed some numbers, but no-one was asking for a scan of his medical records as far as I can tell.
I once had someone PM me asking me to send them my records....lol..yeah, no.1
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