Do you think keto is healthy?
rikkejanell2014
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No fruits or veggies?
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Yes.
Most people stick with keto because it makes them healthier. Those who quit don't like the food or restrictions, have a medical issue that does not work well with keto (like familial high cholesterol), or never balanced out their electrolytes.
Please know that ketogenic diets include non-starchy vegetables. Usually a few servings per day. Some people include low GI fruit.
All of nutrients you get in fruit you can get in vegetables.
A small percentage of keto'ers choose to eat carnivore, or mainly carnivore, because it makes them feel better. Carnivores eat most types of meat. Preferably fatty. They may or may not include eggs and full fat dairy.
All of the nutrients you get in vegetables are also found in animal products.
It's healthy.
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You are going to get all kinds of different opinions, everyone has one.
I personally don't find a diet healthy that doesn't include the bountiful fruits vegetables, healthy whole-grains and starches that have been proven to lower blood pressure and create internal health. I eat plant-based, plenty of potatoes and rice veggies fruits and whole grains… Beans… I feel fantastic I am on no medications and in excellent health. I'm also an athlete.
Then you will also find other athletes such as myself in excellent health who follow the Paleo or low carb diets.
So find whatever works for you, and stick with it.
But since you're asking for people's opinions, in my humble opinion keto is not a healthy state.
At least not long-term.6 -
For some with medical conditions, I guess it can be healthy. For the majority of people who just read about it in some magazine, it's probably not all that healthy. It's just like any other fad in that respect.7
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For some with medical conditions, I guess it can be healthy. For the majority of people who just read about it in some magazine, it's probably not all that healthy. It's just like any other fad in that respect.
Keto isn't exactly a fad. Its one of the oldest "diets" around used for treatment of neurological disorders orginally it has found to be successful treatment for a wide range of medical issues. Keto had gained popularity recently because it works, and word is getting out that it works.4 -
In my opinion, it could be a healthy diet for someone with medical reasons to eat this way, but the average person would have to really focus in order to get adequate nutrition with such restrictions.
I also believe the healthiest diet is one that a person can stick with for the long term. OP you've inquired about dozens of different things in your short tenure here - different diets, workouts, cheat days, etc. You seem to be bouncing around like a pinball tilting at every shiny thing you see. I believe you've evn inquired about keto diets in an earlier thread. Are you any closer to finding the long term, sustainable approach that will help you achieve your goals and can then take you into maintenance?16 -
The only medical condition that the ketogenic diet is prescribed for is pediatric epilepsy.
That being said I personally don't feel that such a restrictive diet (any restrictive diet) can be healthy. Keto, Atkins, South Beach, Paleo - I don't trust em. But I'm not a doctor or a nutritionist, so my opinion is of no value.
If you are considering any diet but are worried if it's healthy, I would advise 3 things:
1 - Question why you are considering a diet whose health benefits you question. If you aren't comfortable with the eating plan you're following (whatever it is) you won't follow it for long.
2 - Figure out if you can follow a restrictive diet. I couldn't, and I'm a-ok with it. I know people who thrive on them. Either way is fine, but figure it out before you start if you can.
3 - Speak to your doctor or a licensed nutritionist. They would best be able to assess if a particular diet is healthy for you, taking into account any health conditions or medications.7 -
I tried it for a month and lost a few kgs then I accidentally fell pregnant. I wouldn't do it again because it was really hard to shop on that diet. Too restricting especially when I hate cooking.
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I've been on the Ketogenic diet for almost a year. My lab work has IMPROVED, I've lost 40 pounds and I feel better than when I was a vegan. Just because someone on here says they don't think it's "healthy" doesn't mean it's not. I believe that there is no one size fits all. Everyone says a vegan diet is healthy, my blood sugar was through the roof from all the carbs in the veggies and fruit (no, I didn't eat processed junk). My cholesterol was out of whack as well. That all fixed itself once I started keto. I will say that I get my carbs (20 per day) from non starchy veggies such as broccoli, cabbage, asparagus, cauliflower, green beans and berries as my fruit of choice. So, I don't see my diet as deficient. My physician is on board with my diet, and has encouraged me to continue, because of the success I've had so far. Taking my word for it, or anyone else's isn't as important as talking to YOUR doctor, and seeing how YOU feel on it. It's not for everyone, but if it's for you, then it can be amazing.10
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It can be healthy, but it takes more effort for it to be so. As a rule of thumb, the more varied a diet is the more room for error it has in terms of beneficial nutrients.6
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lolakeziah wrote: »For some with medical conditions, I guess it can be healthy. For the majority of people who just read about it in some magazine, it's probably not all that healthy. It's just like any other fad in that respect.
Keto isn't exactly a fad. Its one of the oldest "diets" around used for treatment of neurological disorders orginally it has found to be successful treatment for a wide range of medical issues. Keto had gained popularity recently because it works, and word is getting out that it works.
It's a fad. Not in all instances, but in the context I was using it, yes, it's a fad.6 -
People assume vegetables are healthy and needed in great quantity. Or at all. It's just an assumption.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRBFiBWQZQ 2 -
lolakeziah wrote: »For some with medical conditions, I guess it can be healthy. For the majority of people who just read about it in some magazine, it's probably not all that healthy. It's just like any other fad in that respect.
Keto isn't exactly a fad. Its one of the oldest "diets" around used for treatment of neurological disorders orginally it has found to be successful treatment for a wide range of medical issues. Keto had gained popularity recently because it works, and word is getting out that it works.
Just because it's been around for a long time doesn't mean it's not a fad...you can read about it in just about every health and fitness magazine at the moment...it's totally a fad in that context.
Also, any diet works when properly applied...keto doesn't work any better than anything else when properly applied.9 -
People assume vegetables are healthy and needed in great quantity. Or at all. It's just an assumption.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRBFiBWQZQ
Whaaaaat!1 -
rikkejanell2014 wrote: »People assume vegetables are healthy and needed in great quantity. Or at all. It's just an assumption.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRBFiBWQZQ
Whaaaaat!
It's part of their religion...5 -
Yeah.... A religion that questions the current nutritional dogma. Because questioning the status quo must be avoided? LOL
I still eat veggies. I just found that video interesting because it questions if vegetables are truly healthy. Do the benefits outweigh the risks? There isn't much proof that they are a superior food to animal products.3 -
Judging by the forums, keto certainly seems to be the diet fad of the moment but I think part of its "popularity" is because it's being prescribed more and more to treat the whole host of diseases associated with the western diet. It is most certainly healthy and it works.
So for the curious and uninformed... For most (not all), this is what a well formulated low carb, ketogenic diet will look like:
Source
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All diets can be implemented in a healthy and unhealthy way. It's not the diet that is the issue, but usually the person implementing.
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I live under a rock. Apparently keto is the current dieting fad and I doubt it has anything to do with health like I thought... yikes.
Quest Nutrition co-founder Tom Bilyeu concurs. “You have to have a ketogenic product line—that’s where everything is going, and rightly so—and we’re at the forefront of that,” he said to a gathering of reporters at last year’s Mr. Olympia Expo. “And we have the full complement of items ready to go: high-fat, low-calories cookies and chips that will cause the body to burn fat reserves even as they keep you satiated.”
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Anthony Roberts emphasized that market imperatives, not humanitarian ideals, best explain this rapid transition toward ketogenic foods. “Remember all of those absurd fat free products of the 1990s through the 2000s? That was a multi-billion dollar industry. Now that keto dieting is big, we have another multi-billion dollar industry in the works, and a lot of vested financial interests working to keep their low/no-carb profits rolling in,” he said.
Google Users Can’t Stop Searching for the Ketogenic Diet4 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »I live under a rock. Apparently keto is the current dieting fad and I doubt it has anything to do with health like I thought... yikes.
Quest Nutrition co-founder Tom Bilyeu concurs. “You have to have a ketogenic product line—that’s where everything is going, and rightly so—and we’re at the forefront of that,” he said to a gathering of reporters at last year’s Mr. Olympia Expo. “And we have the full complement of items ready to go: high-fat, low-calories cookies and chips that will cause the body to burn fat reserves even as they keep you satiated.”
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Anthony Roberts emphasized that market imperatives, not humanitarian ideals, best explain this rapid transition toward ketogenic foods. “Remember all of those absurd fat free products of the 1990s through the 2000s? That was a multi-billion dollar industry. Now that keto dieting is big, we have another multi-billion dollar industry in the works, and a lot of vested financial interests working to keep their low/no-carb profits rolling in,” he said.
Google Users Can’t Stop Searching for the Ketogenic Diet
Rather eye-opening stuff, huh?1 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »I live under a rock. Apparently keto is the current dieting fad and I doubt it has anything to do with health like I thought... yikes.
Quest Nutrition co-founder Tom Bilyeu concurs. “You have to have a ketogenic product line—that’s where everything is going, and rightly so—and we’re at the forefront of that,” he said to a gathering of reporters at last year’s Mr. Olympia Expo. “And we have the full complement of items ready to go: high-fat, low-calories cookies and chips that will cause the body to burn fat reserves even as they keep you satiated.”
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Anthony Roberts emphasized that market imperatives, not humanitarian ideals, best explain this rapid transition toward ketogenic foods. “Remember all of those absurd fat free products of the 1990s through the 2000s? That was a multi-billion dollar industry. Now that keto dieting is big, we have another multi-billion dollar industry in the works, and a lot of vested financial interests working to keep their low/no-carb profits rolling in,” he said.
Google Users Can’t Stop Searching for the Ketogenic Diet
Rather eye-opening stuff, huh?
Yup.0 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »I live under a rock. Apparently keto is the current dieting fad and I doubt it has anything to do with health like I thought... yikes.
Quest Nutrition co-founder Tom Bilyeu concurs. “You have to have a ketogenic product line—that’s where everything is going, and rightly so—and we’re at the forefront of that,” he said to a gathering of reporters at last year’s Mr. Olympia Expo. “And we have the full complement of items ready to go: high-fat, low-calories cookies and chips that will cause the body to burn fat reserves even as they keep you satiated.”
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Anthony Roberts emphasized that market imperatives, not humanitarian ideals, best explain this rapid transition toward ketogenic foods. “Remember all of those absurd fat free products of the 1990s through the 2000s? That was a multi-billion dollar industry. Now that keto dieting is big, we have another multi-billion dollar industry in the works, and a lot of vested financial interests working to keep their low/no-carb profits rolling in,” he said.
Google Users Can’t Stop Searching for the Ketogenic Diet
Pretty much...
I mean, Keto itself has been around forever...my aunt has done a keto diet since as long as I can remember because she's epileptic and it definitely helps with that. She's not some fanatic about it though who professes it to be a miracle cure all or that it's the way everyone should be eating because it's the healthiest diet on the planet or whatever. If it weren't for her seizures, she wouldn't be doing it.
But yeah, at this point the industry has a hold of it and has everyone and their cousin afraid of the debil carbs. The religious fanaticism surrounding it is also quite annoying...it's kind of like how a lot of vegans are. I'm not just talking about here, but Reddit and elsewhere...all these proclamations of miracle cures and that vegetables really aren't a necessary ingredient for good health, etc. Sorry, but I don't think most people are going to be going to town on liver and other organ meat to ensure they're meeting their micro nutritional needs.
The pretty much religious fervor surrounding it reminds me a lot of veganism...only the opposite end of the spectrum.
As insulin resistance goes, I've read plenty in regards to it actually making it worse...yes, folks in keto are in remission, but if they were to start eating carbs again, they'd be worse off than they were before. My dad was a type II diabetic and worked with a registered dietitian specializing in diabetes...she never once suggested doing keto. My dad went into remission when he lost weight and dropped the junk food he was eating and started eating more whole foods, to include many complex carbohydrates.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »rikkejanell2014 wrote: »People assume vegetables are healthy and needed in great quantity. Or at all. It's just an assumption.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRBFiBWQZQ
Whaaaaat!
It's part of their religion...
Dude, you're pretty much the only one who brings up religion. Whether they're talkin' paleo or low carb, you start in with the religious references every time. I think you better get it over with and start going back to church again.
Dudette...That doesn't even make sense...
I go to church all of the time...it looks like this...
I just call it like I see it...religious fanaticism accounts for about 90% of the problems in the world I'd say...and it comes in many flavors.9 -
There is some misinformation regarding ketogenic diets on this thread. I've been on a medically supervised keto diet for 6 months. Essentially, you can eat whatever you want, as long as you keep your carb level at or below approximately 50 grams/day for women, slightly higher for men. Anything over that will kick your body out of ketosis. If you want a piece of fruit that has a higher level of carbs, you make adjustments for the day. I've lost over 70 pounds with maybe another 20 or so to go. I feel great, have much more energy. All of my blood work is in the normal range - no more meds for prediabetes or high cholesterol. My BMI is now within 2 points of the normal range (a decrease of 12 pts.). Once you reach your goal weight, you can slowly increase the carb level until you reach a maintenance point that will stop the weight loss but prevent weight gain. It's not a fad diet if done correctly. This is a lifestyle change that works for some. There is a lot of useful information out there, you just have to sift through it to see if it will work for you.2
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The only medical condition that the ketogenic diet is prescribed for is pediatric epilepsy.
That being said I personally don't feel that such a restrictive diet (any restrictive diet) can be healthy. Keto, Atkins, South Beach, Paleo - I don't trust em. But I'm not a doctor or a nutritionist, so my opinion is of no value.
If you are considering any diet but are worried if it's healthy, I would advise 3 things:
1 - Question why you are considering a diet whose health benefits you question. If you aren't comfortable with the eating plan you're following (whatever it is) you won't follow it for long.
2 - Figure out if you can follow a restrictive diet. I couldn't, and I'm a-ok with it. I know people who thrive on them. Either way is fine, but figure it out before you start if you can.
3 - Speak to your doctor or a licensed nutritionist. They would best be able to assess if a particular diet is healthy for you, taking into account any health conditions or medications.
South Beach: whole foods, lean proteins, lots of vegetables, fruit, nuts, seeds, legumes, low fat dairy. What's the concern? What's being "restricted" that "should" be eaten? South Beach basically just morphed into the DASH Diet for Weight Loss. Nothing scary there either.
If you mean the "new" SB that no longer resembles the South Beach Diet, meh, skip it.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »rikkejanell2014 wrote: »People assume vegetables are healthy and needed in great quantity. Or at all. It's just an assumption.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRBFiBWQZQ
Whaaaaat!
It's part of their religion...
Dude, you're pretty much the only one who brings up religion. Whether they're talkin' paleo or low carb, you start in with the religious references every time. I think you better get it over with and start going back to church again.
Dudette...That doesn't even make sense...
I go to church all of the time...it looks like this...
I just call it like I see it...religious fanaticism accounts for about 90% of the problems in the world I'd say...and it comes in many flavors.
I noticed that.
Yeah, eat a healthy and balanced diet is so out there....sheesh...why don't you just put me on ignore if you don't like it...pretty ezpz huh?1 -
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It's interesting when people attack certain diets without researching them as fads.
This diet has been around for a bunch of years, prescribed in many situations to those with diabetes, or those with high amounts of inflammation within their bodies.
It's not for everyone, but advantages of the diet are pretty well researched and proven, it's not about cutting calories (unless you're also wanting the associated weight loss) and more about reducing blood sugar, promoting better HDL ratio in Cholesterol, improving blood pressure/hyper tension, reducing water retention, assisting those with brain disorders, or delaying neuro-degenerative diseases.
It's also one of the easier ways to reduce a lot of the processed foods and empty calorie *kitten* food that exists, because ultimately there isn't much room for it in the diet.
The reason it's currently being promoted a ton in health circles is more to do with all of the recent research, and the renewed focus that people like Rhonda Patrick or Aubrey Marcus have placed on the diet.1 -
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rikkejanell2014 wrote: »No fruits or veggies?
Also, this is wrong.
A properly managed keto diet won't remove fruit and veggies, it will limit fruits or veggies that have a high amount of carbs and a low amount of fibre, but for instance, my own particular diet, I'm consuming approximately 75-80g of carbs a day, most of which are coming from leafy greens, tomatos, avocado, berries, the occasional banana, etc.
My lunch today for instance was Chicken, Bacon, Lettuce, Cheddar, Onions, Mushrooms, Capsicum, Cucumber and Tzatziki dressing.1
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