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Wow, I have to admit I am being emotionally convicted by these post (THANKS). I felt as if I did really well the whole week last week and had an awesome workout on Saturday. Lost two lbs but the scale says I gained it right back. I felt like I was going crazy and it's all due to that "CHEAT DAY" nonsense. I was telling my husband the whole weekend I was allowed one but "NO" I'm not. My body rejected it so a cheat day is nonsense. Thank you for all your comments. It help me to reset. First time and last time for a cheat day. Who ever needs one can have mine. Thanks Guys2
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Wow, I have to admit I am being emotionally convicted by these post (THANKS). I felt as if I did really well the whole week last week and had an awesome workout on Saturday. Lost two lbs but the scale says I gained it right back. I felt like I was going crazy and it's all due to that "CHEAT DAY" nonsense. I was telling my husband the whole weekend I was allowed one but "NO" I'm not. My body rejected it so a cheat day is nonsense. Thank you for all your comments. It help me to reset. First time and last time for a cheat day. Who ever needs one can have mine. Thanks Guys
LOL. We are all human. I love the " they can have mines " lol. It's just the times where you hear all in one week, I started over, no I cheated, no I started over again, we'll I cheated, we'll I am not sure why I can't lose weight. You support and support and support until you find that this is a every week thing, then it's hard to continue to support. Great luck on your journey! You got this!2 -
We are all on different parts of our journey. It does get annoying when people say one thing and do another - we can only learn to take deep breaths and smile...and continue on.
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Wow, I have to admit I am being emotionally convicted by these post (THANKS). I felt as if I did really well the whole week last week and had an awesome workout on Saturday. Lost two lbs but the scale says I gained it right back. I felt like I was going crazy and it's all due to that "CHEAT DAY" nonsense. I was telling my husband the whole weekend I was allowed one but "NO" I'm not. My body rejected it so a cheat day is nonsense. Thank you for all your comments. It help me to reset. First time and last time for a cheat day. Who ever needs one can have mine. Thanks Guys
It's probably water weight. Weight loss is not linear no matter what you eat.4 -
Monchichi3 wrote: »What I would like to say to those people is stop restricting so much that you feel you need a cheat day. Drop that kind of mindset and you will probably have more sustainable weight loss. Just eat the food you like every day in smaller portions. Learn to moderate.
This mindset is what also gets some into trouble. Not all manufactured foods were designed to be eaten in moderation. How does one moderate certain foods purposely designed to eat more?
Like what?
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I don't know. They don't annoy me. But then again, I don't get annoyed easily.2
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I do not like the notion of a "cheat day" either - it sounds - "naughty" -like you're doing something BAD. I do not like to make eating "bad."
I guess it's just semantics. But if I have a day where I know I overate, or if I just didn't weigh/journal my food, I say I went "off program" or "off plan" for the day (or half day or whatever.)
I USUALLY only go "off plan" so to speak for a special circumstance - i.e., a date night that I planned ahead for, Thanksgiving dinner, etc...and on those days I try to "prep" myself by eating less the day before or eating much smaller meals earlier that day....so I try very hard to stay on program. Probably because I eat sweets and snacks within my calorie limits I don't feel the need to have a "cheat" day.4 -
If someone on my mfp newsfeed is constantly having 'cheat' days, I would suggest they up their calorie goal to something that doesn't leave them so desperately hungry. We all need to find a sweet spot where we can sustain a deficit without it being too painful. I choose minimal pain and very slow loss, although I can eat very little if I wanted to, but I have no reason to rush like that.8
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I do not like the notion of a "cheat day" either - it sounds - "naughty" -like you're doing something BAD. I do not like to make eating "bad."
I guess it's just semantics. But if I have a day where I know I overate, or if I just didn't weigh/journal my food, I say I went "off program" or "off plan" for the day (or half day or whatever.)
I USUALLY only go "off plan" so to speak for a special circumstance - i.e., a date night that I planned ahead for, Thanksgiving dinner, etc...and on those days I try to "prep" myself by eating less the day before or eating much smaller meals earlier that day....so I try very hard to stay on program. Probably because I eat sweets and snacks within my calorie limits I don't feel the need to have a "cheat" day.
We have the same mindset on this, as I imagine everyone who is successful in their goals does. I believe this is more than semantics, but an underlying root cause of the unhealthy mindset people have with food.
Whenever I see posts like this I think "You're not ready" same as with the multiple versions of I'm doing everything right - why can't I lose? These people have not yet realized that behavior is responsible and only they are responsible for these behaviors. There is a critical psychological element to this.8 -
Wow, I have to admit I am being emotionally convicted by these post (THANKS). I felt as if I did really well the whole week last week and had an awesome workout on Saturday. Lost two lbs but the scale says I gained it right back. I felt like I was going crazy and it's all due to that "CHEAT DAY" nonsense. I was telling my husband the whole weekend I was allowed one but "NO" I'm not. My body rejected it so a cheat day is nonsense. Thank you for all your comments. It help me to reset. First time and last time for a cheat day. Who ever needs one can have mine. Thanks Guys
Not that I'm a proponent of cheat days (after 4+ years, I still haven't figured out what that really means), but to have actually put on two pounds of fat with one day, you would have had to eat 7,000 calories over your maintenance level of calories that day...which probably didn't happen. Body weight fluctuates wildly as you will see as you will see over the coming weeks and months.
If your cheat day included more sodium and/or carbs than normal, you're holding onto water.1 -
Monchichi3 wrote: »
This mindset is what also gets some into trouble. Not all manufactured foods were designed to be eaten in moderation. How does one moderate certain foods purposely designed to eat more?
Many regain weight by slowly eating more and more "foods they like" (foods manufactured for the purpose of eating more) and then they are back at square one. Then they become people referenced in the op. For those that have the type of discipline to sustain eating everything in moderation, kudos.
I've continued to eat all the foods I like throughout this process and I haven't run into any 'manufactored' foods that have sneaky, underhanded plans to suck me back into being overweight
But I'm only a few years into maintenance, maybe they're still out there lurking, just biding their time to strike? 7 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »Monchichi3 wrote: »
This mindset is what also gets some into trouble. Not all manufactured foods were designed to be eaten in moderation. How does one moderate certain foods purposely designed to eat more?
Many regain weight by slowly eating more and more "foods they like" (foods manufactured for the purpose of eating more) and then they are back at square one. Then they become people referenced in the op. For those that have the type of discipline to sustain eating everything in moderation, kudos.
I've continued to eat all the foods I like throughout this process and I haven't run into any 'manufactored' foods that have sneaky, underhanded plans to suck me back into being overweight But I'm only a few years into maintenance, maybe they're still out there lurking, just biding their time to strike?
Stay out of dark alleys
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Tell them just what you posted here. It will be like they finally get to look into mirror.
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Monchichi3 wrote: »What I would like to say to those people is stop restricting so much that you feel you need a cheat day. Drop that kind of mindset and you will probably have more sustainable weight loss. Just eat the food you like every day in smaller portions. Learn to moderate.[/quote]
This mindset is what also gets some into trouble. Not all manufactured foods were designed to be eaten in moderation. How does one moderate certain foods purposely designed to eat more?
Many regain weight by slowly eating more and more "foods they like" (foods manufactured for the purpose of eating more) and then they are back at square one. Then they become people referenced in the op. For those that have the type of discipline to sustain eating everything in moderation, kudos.
When you cook for your friends, family, coworkers or even yourself, you don't try to make the food as delicious as possible, and feel a sense of pride when someone asks for seconds?1 -
This is why I don't believe in cheat days, or the term 'diet' in terms of the fad or plan you stick to on certain days, only to reach a certain goal and cease it. For me it's a complete lifestyle change and there's no going back. I know I've got a long road ahead of me, I have a lot of weight to lose, so I simply cannot afford a cheat day.
I cut out all Coca Cola, all chips, fast food etc, and have been cooking more, eating fresh unprocessed food and feeling much better for it.
I allow myself a small treat every few days, like every 3rd or 4th day, and then I choose the smallest candy bar I can find, or a single cookie, or a single small ice cream. I don't keep that stuff around in my home, because I know I can't trust myself, and I always add it into my calorie count for the day/week, and take note of the sugar and sodium, and will even make myself do 10 minutes more on the bike or elliptical etc to make myself work for it.
Although I do also worry about the idea of treating yourself with food, like for me if food addiction is an issue, and it means you can start to justify even the worst meals and days because 'you deserve it'. It's a bad mentality for sure. But I ensure I hold myself accountable and have a dietician as well as a few people at my gym who really keep me accountable, too.
It all definitely makes you realize the psychology and overall attitude toward weight and food is incredibly important in the process of healthy eating and fitness.3 -
Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.2 -
I like the no food is bad food approach. I really like that if I want to I can get a ginormous Chipotle burrito if I really want to, but then I have to weigh it against being able to eat a lot more of healthier stuff and it loses it's appeal.3
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annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Ask your nutrition coach for some peer reviewed scientific references that support that logic...
I don't believe in cheat meals from a psychological standpoint, as I believe that perpetuates the whole "good food/bad food" dichotomy that is so mentally unhealthy for so many people. I believe in working in the foods I want every day, but that doesn't mean I don't often bank calories for a more indulgent weekend meal or a couple of days on vacation. As long as the indulgence doesn't wipe out your weekly deficit, then it doesn't have lasting negative impact for weight loss, aside from usually a temporary spike in water weight.
Gut bacteria seems to be one of the trendy topics of the moment when it comes to weight loss and overall health. If eating donuts or pizza, or other typical "cheat" meals caused your body to stop functioning optimally and derailed progress- there wouldn't be so many successful people on this site who lost weight while indulging, at whatever frequency they feel comfortable with.4 -
Wow, I'm the opposite. I get more annoyed that some people feel that it is their place to judge another person, especially when each persons weight loss journey is going to be different than anyone else.
Judgemental people make things so much more complicated than needed.
Maybe because I've been in their shoes before, wanting to lose weight but not having what it takes to get it done, I have endless empathy for people who are failing. I also believe that building them up rather than knocking them down has a better chance at being helpful.
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Sounds like a great way to lose friends.Tell them just what you posted here. It will be like they finally get to look into mirror.annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Your nutrition coach believes in a bunch of woo.8 -
Maybe you are too sympathetic to their whining?
Maybe respond with "Are you tracking your food? If you aren't tracking then I don't want to hear about how your diet isn't working". If you are more of a task master and less sympathetic, they may just keep it to themselves more in the future, cause they know you are gonna call them on their BS.1 -
Prior to me getting into my fitness pal I had way to many "cheat days".. Now that I am tracking everything, know what my BMI is, it kind of has readjusted my focus to get much more serious..Also with there being a weight loss challenge at my gym, I find that I am a lot more motivated.. Being a solid week in, today was the first sugar craving I had, and I didn't cave. My dieting is proving to be harder on my boyfriend then it is on me.. So I have allowed us one cheat meal a week, the caveat being, did I work out that day and do I have the calorie deficit to support this cheat meal? Our cheat meal is typically blackened salmon burritos and 2 beers each from our favorite restaurant...
If you are on the journey to weight loss you have to take it serious, and I very much do. But we have to indulge in controlled moderation. But enjoy yourself and then put your game face back on.0 -
staceysmith140 wrote: »Prior to me getting into my fitness pal I had way to many "cheat days".. Now that I am tracking everything, know what my BMI is, it kind of has readjusted my focus to get much more serious..Also with there being a weight loss challenge at my gym, I find that I am a lot more motivated.. Being a solid week in, today was the first sugar craving I had, and I didn't cave. My dieting is proving to be harder on my boyfriend then it is on me.. So I have allowed us one cheat meal a week, the caveat being, did I work out that day and do I have the calorie deficit to support this cheat meal? Our cheat meal is typically blackened salmon burritos and 2 beers each from our favorite restaurant...
If you are on the journey to weight loss you have to take it serious, and I very much do. But we have to indulge in controlled moderation. But enjoy yourself and then put your game face back on.
After reading this, I just feel compelled to say: I have never had a blackened salmon burrito, but dear god it sounds fantastic.8 -
Whenever I see posts like this I think "You're not ready" same as with the multiple versions of I'm doing everything right - why can't I lose? These people have not yet realized that behavior is responsible and only they are responsible for these behaviors. There is a critical psychological element to this.
This. I get annoyed, then realize they can't help it. They're just not ready. I shake my head and move on to reading posts from people I can learn something from. 2 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »staceysmith140 wrote: »Prior to me getting into my fitness pal I had way to many "cheat days".. Now that I am tracking everything, know what my BMI is, it kind of has readjusted my focus to get much more serious..Also with there being a weight loss challenge at my gym, I find that I am a lot more motivated.. Being a solid week in, today was the first sugar craving I had, and I didn't cave. My dieting is proving to be harder on my boyfriend then it is on me.. So I have allowed us one cheat meal a week, the caveat being, did I work out that day and do I have the calorie deficit to support this cheat meal? Our cheat meal is typically blackened salmon burritos and 2 beers each from our favorite restaurant...
If you are on the journey to weight loss you have to take it serious, and I very much do. But we have to indulge in controlled moderation. But enjoy yourself and then put your game face back on.
After reading this, I just feel compelled to say: I have never had a blackened salmon burrito, but dear god it sounds fantastic.
I'm hoping it's a chain restaurant. Am googling blackened salmon burritos in my area right after this.
Too new here to comment on frustrating people.
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I just keep telling myself that "A treat is not a cheat." There are days where I choose to have a higher calorie indulgence and fit it into my daily calories. There are days when I make lower-calorie choices. But I'm sticking with the plan.2
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What I would like to say to those people is stop restricting so much that you feel you need a cheat day. Drop that kind of mindset and you will probably have more sustainable weight loss. Just eat the food you like every day in smaller portions. Learn to moderate.I refuse to use the "cheat day" phrase when it comes to my eating. Sometimes I make the choice to go over my calorie goals...other days...well I didn't plan on it...it just happened for whatever reason.
I am just not sure why we have to associate some guilt trip upon ourselves. Didn't we get enough of that when we were shoveling down the foods that got us to this point?.
Exactly!! I agree with both of you - what the hell is a cheat day, you chose to eat more for the day its not a crime, big deal just try not to do it too often. I'm with everyone else just dont read those posts or unfollow those friends. Thats what I have done.
Thanks for your "ran"t this is one of the few threads I have found extremely amusing LOL, rather than annoying
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No.annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
I'm not really sure what a nutrition coach is, but who you want to talk to is a registered dietitian. They are the only ones who are required to have a degree to use that name.
Anyone can say they are a nutritionist.
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WinoGelato wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Ask your nutrition coach for some peer reviewed scientific references that support that logic...
I don't believe in cheat meals from a psychological standpoint, as I believe that perpetuates the whole "good food/bad food" dichotomy that is so mentally unhealthy for so many people. I believe in working in the foods I want every day, but that doesn't mean I don't often bank calories for a more indulgent weekend meal or a couple of days on vacation. As long as the indulgence doesn't wipe out your weekly deficit, then it doesn't have lasting negative impact for weight loss, aside from usually a temporary spike in water weight.
Gut bacteria seems to be one of the trendy topics of the moment when it comes to weight loss and overall health. If eating donuts or pizza, or other typical "cheat" meals caused your body to stop functioning optimally and derailed progress- there wouldn't be so many successful people on this site who lost weight while indulging, at whatever frequency they feel comfortable with.
And where's your peer reviewed scientific references in denial of it? Works both ways...
Besides - I'm talking about OVER-indulgence, and drastic changes from the norm, not just a treat here and there that is incorporated into your meal plans. I'm talking about a binge or large 'cheat' that drastically differs from your regular plan. I personally know that on a day where I've stumbled and gobbled up a large pack of Doritos, I can definitely feel it the next few days, especially in my stomach and colon (bowel movements) and it definitely affects my blood pressure readings, and it takes a while for everything to return back to normal again afterward. So that is enough for me to believe there MAY be SOME merit to the idea.
It's at least a reasonable expectation and bit of advice that a large cheat/binge from your norm will affect your body -regardless of your beliefs on bacteria/enzyme etc.
By all means everyone's entitled to believe what ever they want. I didn't come to debate or argue, only to advise and assist, but hey I forgot forums like this just love to pick apart others and argue despite a post being made free of contention.
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annmareeofoz wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Ask your nutrition coach for some peer reviewed scientific references that support that logic...
I don't believe in cheat meals from a psychological standpoint, as I believe that perpetuates the whole "good food/bad food" dichotomy that is so mentally unhealthy for so many people. I believe in working in the foods I want every day, but that doesn't mean I don't often bank calories for a more indulgent weekend meal or a couple of days on vacation. As long as the indulgence doesn't wipe out your weekly deficit, then it doesn't have lasting negative impact for weight loss, aside from usually a temporary spike in water weight.
Gut bacteria seems to be one of the trendy topics of the moment when it comes to weight loss and overall health. If eating donuts or pizza, or other typical "cheat" meals caused your body to stop functioning optimally and derailed progress- there wouldn't be so many successful people on this site who lost weight while indulging, at whatever frequency they feel comfortable with.
And where's your peer reviewed scientific references in denial of it? Works both ways...
Besides - I'm talking about OVER-indulgence, and drastic changes from the norm, not just a treat here and there that is incorporated into your meal plans. I'm talking about a binge or large 'cheat' that drastically differs from your regular plan. I personally know that on a day where I've stumbled and gobbled up a large pack of Doritos, I can definitely feel it the next few days, especially in my stomach and colon (bowel movements) and it definitely affects my blood pressure readings, and it takes a while for everything to return back to normal again afterward.
It's a reasonable expectation and bit of advice - by all means everyone's entitled to believe what ever they want. I didn't come to debate or argue, only to advise and assist, but hey I forgot forums like this just love to pick apart others and argue to make themselves feel better. So continue your Carry-On if it makes you feel more superior and better about yourself!
The burden of proof is with you - you made the claim
LOGICAL FALLACY:
You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.
Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof2
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