Is it safe to not eat back exercise calories?
pupleglass
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So I have been getting extremely frustrated about not losing weight after several weeks of eating vegan, eating at just over or under my calorie goal (which is approximately 1300, if I eat over it, it's by less than 100 calories) constantly increasing exercise time and intensity, drinking lots of water, etc. According to the calculations of the exercise machines and estimates on the Internet, I believe I've been burning about 300-400 calories by doing cardio every day. Being scared of under eating (because I have in the past), I have been eating back those calories that I burn. Should I not be? Is it safe to not eat those calories that I burn?
More information:
Female
Age: 18
Height: 5'8
Weight: 179 (as of this morning)
I do not keep my diary open for personal reasons but I am open to general advice about what foods and activities contribute to healthy weight loss
Thanks!
More information:
Female
Age: 18
Height: 5'8
Weight: 179 (as of this morning)
I do not keep my diary open for personal reasons but I am open to general advice about what foods and activities contribute to healthy weight loss
Thanks!
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How are you measuring your intake?0
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There's something wrong with your calculation for calories you eat or you burn... if you were eating gross 1300 cals you would be losing weight given your stats.0
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You'll want to make sure you're giving your body the support it needs for the exercise you're getting. It's safe not to eat the calories back, but chances are your body will start demanding more food if you don't.
But at the same time, most who eat back exercise calories are wary of overestimating them, and only eat about half back.1 -
The machines at the gym will usually overestimate your burn. They're not very reliable and when you search for something online you usually get a very generic answer and it might not at all be very accurate for you. As you're eating your calories back it is probably better to look at using a heart rate monitor to know how many calories you can eat back. Also make sure to weigh and measure your food. Don't use estimates there either.1
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At your age, there is absolutely no way that you're not losing on 1300 calories. You must be seriously underestimating your food. I suggest you get a food scale.2
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My doctor told me that I should not eat back my calories if my goal was to lose weight/body fat. Advised once I reach my goal, you can eat back those calories to maintain.3
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BlueHorse8 wrote: »My doctor told me that I should not eat back my calories if my goal was to lose weight/body fat. Advised once I reach my goal, you can eat back those calories to maintain.
Not if you're using mfp method.3 -
To clarify....You've lost zero pounds after more than 3 weeks?0
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I don't eat mine back.
The machines / internet might be overestimating your calorie burn. I have to run 4 miles to burn 300 calories, for example -- and I get that number from my GPS / heart rate chest strap. The internet says I burn 450-500. That's a pretty big discrepancy.
I'd try not eating them back for a while and see what happens, or maybe half of them? When you're first starting, there is some trial and error involved. Experiment a bit and you'll hit your sweet spot soon enough.
I guess it's safe not to eat them ... I'm still here.2 -
BlueHorse8 wrote: »My doctor told me that I should not eat back my calories if my goal was to lose weight/body fat. Advised once I reach my goal, you can eat back those calories to maintain.
This is incorrect if using the MFP method (NEAT). Let's do the math.
The user (Joe) in this case enters in all of his information and daily activity into MFP. MFP spits out a number to lose Joe's goal of 1lb per week. Now remember....MFP does not include daily exercise when you enter in this daily activity information. MFP indicates that with Joe's entered information, he maintains on 2000 calories, so to lose 1lb per week, Joe should eat 1500 cals per day.
2000 maint cals - 500 cal deficit = 1500 daily cals to lose 1lb per week.
Now, let's say that Joe mixes in a run everyday that equates to a 300 calorie burn.
2000 maint cals + 300 exercise cals = a new maintenance of 2300 cals
2300 new mant cals - 500 cal deficit = 1800 cals to lose that same 1lb per week.
Things to keep in mind is that this is all an estimate. Most start by eating back 50-75% of their exercise cals back for a few weeks, track progress and adjust from there. Keep in mind, the closer you are to your target weight the more those exercise cals become important. The bigger the defict when you're closer to target can cause a massive crash and burn, along with loss in muscle mass. Where, you'll lose weight but at the sacrifice of muscle so you may not change your BF% all that much.
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I track my exercise calories, but I never, ever, have been concerned about adjustment of my calorie consumption to compensate for it. If I get hungry, then I know I need to eat.3
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fitmom4lifemfp wrote: »If I get hungry, then I know I need to eat.
If I had followed this rule, I never would have lost weight.9 -
Depends...I do long endurance rides...my target to lose 1lb per week is 1900...that's assuming zero exercise...I go on a 30 mile ride and burn 1200ish...that would leave me a mere 700 calories for basic functions and going about my day...not very healthy...3
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BlueHorse8 wrote: »My doctor told me that I should not eat back my calories if my goal was to lose weight/body fat. Advised once I reach my goal, you can eat back those calories to maintain.
Is your doctor fine with you increasing your loss by 1/2 to 1 lb per week?
I eat most of mine back because I'm set to lose 2 lbs per week. In fact, I'm losing faster than that (I need to eat ALL my exercise calories back) but if I wasn't I'd be losing close to 3 lbs per week.
The issue will be losing too fast can lead to health issues. The one that has me the most freaked out is gallstones. I don't want those.
To @purpleglass start by eating back 1/2. Beyond that, make sure your food tracking is as close as you can get it. If you don't weigh your food, get a food scale. You may be eating more calories than you think if you are not losing weight. Also, understand that the weight does not come off in a linear fashion and you can go a week or two with no loss and then drop a few pounds. I don't get the degree of wooshes some do, but I've gone a week with no loss and then 2 lbs drop off. It worse for women with the normal cycle and water retention.
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fitmom4lifemfp wrote: »If I get hungry, then I know I need to eat.
If I had followed this rule, I never would have lost weight.
If I only ate when I was hungry, I never would have gained in the first place.3 -
There are two methods of calorie counting.
The TDEE method uses a higher calorie goal which includes all your activity, and you do not log or account for exercise.
The NEAT method uses a lower calorie goal which includes ordinary activity but not purposeful exercise. Any exercise needs to be logged and the calorie goal increased to allow for it.
Either of these methods is equally reasonable and the choice is a matter of personal preference.
But if you use NEAT to calculate your goal (e.g. using myfitnesspal's default numbers), and then don't log or eat back exercise as if you were using TDEE, you're doing it wrong. Your calorie goal will be too low, causing chronic undereating, which is bad for you, and causing you to lose weight too fast, which has various nasty side effects.
If you do that and you don't lose weight any faster (or at all), there is something wrong with how you are measuring your food intake and you are eating more than you think.
OP, I think you must be underestimating your food. It's a very common problem. The best solution is to start weighing portions using a food scale, at least for a little while until you get your eye in. Stopping logging exercise would be a bodged workaround which would cause more confusion later. Better to get to the root of the problem. The other possibility is that you're overestimating your workout burns. These could both be true at once.1 -
pupleglass wrote: »So I have been getting extremely frustrated about not losing weight after several weeks of eating vegan, eating at just over or under my calorie goal (which is approximately 1300, if I eat over it, it's by less than 100 calories) constantly increasing exercise time and intensity, drinking lots of water, etc. According to the calculations of the exercise machines and estimates on the Internet, I believe I've been burning about 300-400 calories by doing cardio every day. Being scared of under eating (because I have in the past), I have been eating back those calories that I burn. Should I not be? Is it safe to not eat those calories that I burn?
More information:
Female
Age: 18
Height: 5'8
Weight: 179 (as of this morning)
I do not keep my diary open for personal reasons but I am open to general advice about what foods and activities contribute to healthy weight loss
Thanks!
MFP uses the NEAT method, and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back.
It's helpful to see people's diaries because often there are errors in logging which cause people to underestimate their calories in. Common causes of inaccuracy: not using a food scale and picking erroneous user-created entries rather than system entries. I could help you spot these types of issues if I could see your diary.0 -
As others have said, you probably are underestimating your food consumption, and need to weigh your food in grams and millilitres.
AND you also need to eat back a fair percentage of your exercise calories.
This is the best post I've seen that explains why.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/33817997#Comment_33817997Faithful_Chosen wrote: »Losinandmovin wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »Two weeks is not a lot, so be patient and keep at it... But just to be sure: do you weigh everything in grams? Do you eat back all you exercise calories? Weight loss is a simple equation: calories in vs calories out: eat at a deficit and you lose. People tend to underestimate what they eat (especially when weighing in cups and pieces) and overestimate their exercise burns (do not trust MFP or your device. Heart rate monitors for steady-state are the only things even close to accurate). Weigh and log all your food in grams on a digital scale up to your goal as set by MFP and eat back 50 to 75 percent of you exercise calories (75% for HRM) and you will lose. It's science.
What is HRM? WHY would one eat back their exercise calories? Wouldn't that deficit lead to weight loss? What are you reading and basing your advise on? I really want to lose this weight, but some of the advise I'm reading on MFP confuses me. I'm a registered nurse, and fairly intelligent, but some of the acronyms I see on here are foreign. Thank you.
Thanks, everyone, for the answers already I am just going to add that MyFitnessPal calculates your projected loss (so, the amount you have set to lose a week) into the net goal you recieve. It assumes that if you want to eat more, you have to move more to stay in that deficit. Makes sense, right?
Now, especially newbies have a tendency to up the cardio and decrease the food to make a bigger deficit, assuming they will lose faster--and they might! I am not gonna sit here and say that you won't lose more. It's probably not going to show up on the scale due to water weight, but they will lose more. The question is: at what price? And what are they losing?
The MyFitnessPal method (built in deficit based on your numbers, especially plus purposeful exercise) is designed to steadily lose fat and preserving as much muscle as possible. You see, there is a (science proven) limit to how much fat a body can convert into usable energy during any period of time. If you go over that limit, it turns to muscle for fuel instead. You will always get a little bit of muscle tissue loss when eating at a deficit, but if you undereat and up the cardio (or even strength training!) like I see a lot of people on here do, you are forcing your body to canibalize its muscle tissue on top of the max level of fat it can burn. Not to mention that meeting your macro and micro nutrient goals with this method is virtually impossible, creating massive hormone imbalances (leptine, for example) and vitamins and mineral deficits.
The long term effects of crash dieting and deprivation dieting (which is basically what happens when you become one of the people who net in the low hundreds to negatives day after day for an extended period of time) can be really severe. Basically, you are systematically starving yourself, after all. The results tend to be this (one example, hypothetical you):
- your body burns fat, then muscle tissue to sustain itself. You become weaker and sore. You also start having cravings because your brain is sending out warning signs: 'I am starving! Feed me!'. So, you either binge and up your overall net a little, or you persevere and pat yourself on the back for a job well done! You wanted lots of fatty food, but you fed it a celery stick instead. Sadly, your whole timeline congratulates you on your willpower. You start to wonder, though, why your willpower is not being rewarded! The scale doesn't budge! You fail to realize it's because of water weight due to too much exercise and the body's inability to recover due to a lack of nurishment. The solution is often to eat even less and work out even more to get the scale to move.
- the body is further unable to sustain. It changed the body's chemistry to preserve all it can--after all, it needs to protect vital organs from becoming affected and keep you going so you can hunt and gather for food! At this stage, the body becomes its own worst enemy: it no longer tells you you are starving so you can make a last ditch effort to get food. You think you are fine on 1000 calories a day, burning 1200, because your body shows no signs of hunger anymore, but basically, the little neutrients you are providing your body with get sucked towards your vital organs, leaving nothing for the rest. You become more tired, and cranky, and your muscles no longer recover from all the stress you put them through working out. As a result, they break down even faster and hold on to even more water to prevent that breakdown from affecting your ability to throw a spear at a prey animal (hey, I can't help it your body still thinks we are living in caves!). The scale drops oh so slowly--if at all--but meanwhile you do see you are slimming down! Your measurements are less! MyFitnessPal celebrates! 'Hurray! The weight must come off in a 'woosh' soon now! Keep doing what you are doing!'. Note that (thankfully) many people drop out at this stage. The psychological burden becomes too great, they feel *kitten*, and life isn't fun anymore. They stop dieting, start binging, and gain even more weight. The jojo'ing has begun.
- you keep doing what you were doing. We are a few months in now. You develop headaches, fatigue, and you start finding more and more hair on your pillow in the morning. In fact, you start finding hair everywhere. You also get hungry again, not in a way that makes you binge but a sort of steady nagging: a gentle reminder that time is running out. Fail to meet it (MyFitnessPal people pat your back when you tell them you went to bed early instead of having more food) and slowly, your body gives up its protective hold on more systems. You can survive without full function to certain organs, so your body throws them to the wolves: nutrients go towards your brain, heart, and lungs. Pretty much all other organs start running at half capacity. You hold on to more toxins, which start chipping away at your system, and your ability to process food (get nutrients out of them) suffers greatly, so you are truly starving now. This is the point where the weight starts coming off, and pretty quickly, too, usually. A big whoosh! (MyFitnessPal people cheer in the distance). What you are really seeing is your body giving up on protecting muscle tissue completely: the water weight falls away, showing you that you actually did lose a lot of fat and muscle tissue. More cheering! It must be working! Keep at it! Work harder! Eat less!
- now you are in serious *kitten*! Your organs are not keeping up, your muscles are breaking down, and the body has to start looking elsewhere for fuel: your organs and the more vital muscles, including your heart. At this point, your nails will become brittle and start falling out. Your hair falls out. Your period stops. You experience bouts of nausea and muscle weakness. You might find yourself pulling into a run and suddenly blacking out. You still function, but on the inside you are shutting down.
From here on out, it all depends on if you start eating again and stop exercising or not. If you don't, you can end up killing yourself. If you do, it is a long road to recovery, sometimes lasting years and it sometimes includes permanent damage to the function of certain organs, especially the liver and kidneys. Worst of all, this entire crash diet hasn't taught you how to sustain weight loss, so as soon as you crash and burn, the weight flies back on! And trust me, it takes a fraction of the time it took to lose it to gain it back.
I am not saying this to frighten you (well, I am a little), but as a nurse, you should be aware of the ramifications of crash dieting. Those of us that do realize the effects therefor recommend you lose weight slowly, at a sustainable rate that gives you the best ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss. Stick to your MyFitnessPal calculated net, take the time, eat back your true exercise calories (which is probably 50 to 75 percent of your machine or database given calories), and learn how to eat (and what to eat) for weight loss you can maintain for years to come. It might not go as fast, but you will be able to see it on the scale, and best of all, it will be safe. That is my very long winded answer to 'why' you should eat back exercise calories.
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Since we're talking about only 400 calories, yeah, it is probably safe to ignore them, as long as you aren't experiencing any problems. For large calorie burns, no it isn't safe. In fact, you could die from burning too many calories without replacing them. But that's not so much an issue of whether you replace the calories as much as it is an issue of the timing of when you eat. If you can time your meals such that you have higher blood sugar during the time you are exercising then you will be in a safer place, even if you don't replace the exercise calories.0
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Thank you so much for sharing that post Orphia, I've apparently been really screwing up I thought I was doing good by not eating back my exercise calories. Duly noted!2
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Thanks for sharing that post Orphia. It has made me rethink my whole quick loss plan. Only 2 weeks in and have had a couple of binge days due to low calorie goal. Very educating as I have been a yoyo dieter for years.1
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If the exercise is a new thing your muscles could be retaining fluid for repair, meaning your water weight will be up if you're logging accurately, you will be losing fat just gaining water. If this is the case just give it time and it'll start going down once your body is used to your new routine.0
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OP, what are you using to determine that you are burning those "300-400" calories every day?0
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