Organic? Genetically modified food?
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I always buy organic milk and yes I prefer to buy mostly organic and/or local meats and veggies. But I think that conventional and organic choices should be available so that people can make their own choices. GMO weirds me out1
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domeofstars wrote: »Are you happy to pay more for organic food?
Do you avoid foods that are genetically modified?
Why?
I'm not in the US, and I found a place that sold imported American foods. I was amazed at how many foods had genetically modified ingredients in them. I have family in the US and they pretty much buy organic all the time but they are rich...
We actively avoid Organic and "Non GMO" foods in our household (opposite of a lot of people.. I know). One reason for this is the fear mongering and non scientific community attacking scientists who come out in defense of non organic food. Organic and non GMO is a marketing ploy (the organic industry is worth 4 billion in the US annually), and does not denote a product is healthier.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/organic-food-no-more-nutritious-than-conventionally-grown-food-201209055264
http://www.businessinsider.com/economist-organic-foods-just-marketing-2012-9
Also- humans have literally been modifying food since we figured out we could do so thousands of years ago. Ever ate an almond? You can thank your ancestors for taking a poisonous plant and breeding the arsenic down for safe levels of consumption for that tasty nut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almond
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/10/10/non-gmo-month-marketing-ploy-grounded-misinformation/
One of the biggest reasons we don't support the organic industry though is our personal beliefs and morals. Farming organic takes up more space then conventional farming. With a growing global population we already cant feed, supporting the growth of an industry that restricts the amount of food we can grow and wants to disband research into new crop techniques that could help grow crops in areas with less water (ie during drought), have resistance to bugs (less pesticide), and more nutrients (golden rice is a prime example of this). We don't feel right giving our money to these companies.
Yes, yes, yes to all of this. Saved me some typing
The employee at GNC the other day saw me reading labels on protein bars (I was checking for nuts because I'm allergic). He assumed I was checking for GMO and pure ingredients and all that, and tried to sell me a bunch of special products. I had to try hard to convince him that I did not care. At all.6 -
Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
I understand most people think the "organic" is a ploy, and it is to a certain extent. But organic means what we're eating is more natural. Organic meat = animals (cows) need to be on a rotation. Meaning the animals aren't sat in a padlock all their lives. Ever notice the seal for animal welfare on most organic products? I look for those above all else, personally.5 -
n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
What exactly do genetically modified ingredients do to destroy your health?4 -
jenxbowers wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
What exactly do genetically modified ingredients do to destroy your health?
Did i say genetically modified? I was stating as a whole. Pesticides are not natural and in no way should be consumed. GMO products cause all sorts of risk, including the environment and risk changing wild population plants. Though most don't run risks health wise, there a certain products so modified we might as well be eating chemicals. Margarine is literally a molecule away from plastic. You don't support organic? I can't support GMO now a days. I get "back when" we modified certain foods, but it's so out of hands now a days it's kind of scary. You know how many chemicals are in diet soda? Sugar alternatives? No thanks.
Pesticides are killing off bugs: lady bugs, bee's and other bugs. It just doesn't kill off the "bad" ones.
We could go back and forth, and could put down so many website links. But i'd rather not argue over the internet. Do your research and make your own conclusion. I stand by organic and non GMO foods.
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Organic farming still uses pesticides. Sometimes more toxic than conventional farming. And GMOs are as safe as non GMO crops.
I do feed my chickens a GMO free feed, but only because it's an unusual protein source and I like the idea of a variety of feed sources in case there is an illness that kills off one kind of plant.5 -
Organic food is fertilized with poop. Just sayin'0
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n1cholee93 wrote: »jenxbowers wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
What exactly do genetically modified ingredients do to destroy your health?
Did i say genetically modified? I was stating as a whole. Pesticides are not natural and in no way should be consumed. GMO products cause all sorts of risk, including the environment and risk changing wild population plants. Though most don't run risks health wise, there a certain products so modified we might as well be eating chemicals. Margarine is literally a molecule away from plastic. You don't support organic? I can't support GMO now a days. I get "back when" we modified certain foods, but it's so out of hands now a days it's kind of scary. You know how many chemicals are in diet soda? Sugar alternatives? No thanks.
Do you learn your punchlines from Food Babe? That margarine bit is a real knee-slapper. You can have the moral and environmental concerns. I won't trash that. The fallacies, though...12 -
I try to avoid "organic" food wherever possible.
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GMOs.
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n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
I understand most people think the "organic" is a ploy, and it is to a certain extent. But organic means what we're eating is more natural. Organic meat = animals (cows) need to be on a rotation. Meaning the animals aren't sat in a padlock all their lives. Ever notice the seal for animal welfare on most organic products? I look for those above all else, personally.
I also lost the extra weight because I care about my health (I needed to normalize a high glucose number), and the modified/non-organic food I eat doesn't 'destroy' my health- I'm actually in excellent health now and have consistent good feedback from my doctor/tests.
I'm genuinely curious what you think tastes better organic? I've had organic products before and I've never tasted a difference. I do notice a color/size difference with the free range eggs I get, (from a relative who raises chickens as a hobby), but they taste the same as the ones I occasionally buy at the store.2 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
I understand most people think the "organic" is a ploy, and it is to a certain extent. But organic means what we're eating is more natural. Organic meat = animals (cows) need to be on a rotation. Meaning the animals aren't sat in a padlock all their lives. Ever notice the seal for animal welfare on most organic products? I look for those above all else, personally.
I also lost the extra weight because I care about my health (I needed to normalize a high glucose number), and the modified/non-organic food I eat doesn't 'destroy' my health- I'm actually in excellent health now and have consistent good feedback from my doctor/tests.
I'm genuinely curious what you think tastes better organic? I've had organic products before and I've never tasted a difference. I do notice a color/size difference with the free range eggs I get, (from a relative who raises chickens as a hobby), but they taste the same as the ones I occasionally buy at the store.
Cereal is something i think taste better. The "simply" ones are something i find yummy. Hot chocolate/syrup. The milk, but i buy that locally and it has a rich taste, not bland. My eggs are better, you can see the difference.
I find it so funny with all the hate, though. You guys either must not do research or really live in a hole. Organic where i came from was just "food". But whatever floats your boat. You can't deny the chemicals in everyday food. McDonalds even had a FQ on why their food doesn't mold. Or why twinkies are stay good. I personally did my own research and came to the conclusion i didn't want to eat certain foods, i guess "i" deem them as unhealthy, were as a majority here think i'm bat crazy. For my health and environment/animal welfare i don't mind using organic and more "natural" products. I will gracefully bow out now, i didn't imagine my statement would cause this much of an uproar.3 -
n1cholee93 wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
I understand most people think the "organic" is a ploy, and it is to a certain extent. But organic means what we're eating is more natural. Organic meat = animals (cows) need to be on a rotation. Meaning the animals aren't sat in a padlock all their lives. Ever notice the seal for animal welfare on most organic products? I look for those above all else, personally.
I also lost the extra weight because I care about my health (I needed to normalize a high glucose number), and the modified/non-organic food I eat doesn't 'destroy' my health- I'm actually in excellent health now and have consistent good feedback from my doctor/tests.
I'm genuinely curious what you think tastes better organic? I've had organic products before and I've never tasted a difference. I do notice a color/size difference with the free range eggs I get, (from a relative who raises chickens as a hobby), but they taste the same as the ones I occasionally buy at the store.
Cereal is something i think taste better. The "simply" ones are something i find yummy. Hot chocolate/syrup. The milk, but i buy that locally and it has a rich taste, not bland. My eggs are better, you can see the difference.
I find it so funny with all the hate, though. You guys either must not do research or really live in a hole. Organic where i came from was just "food". But whatever floats your boat. You can't deny the chemicals in everyday food. McDonalds even had a FQ on why their food doesn't mold. Or why twinkies are stay good. I personally did my own research and came to the conclusion i didn't want to eat certain foods, i guess "i" deem them as unhealthy, were as a majority here think i'm bat crazy. For my health and environment/animal welfare i don't mind using organic and more "natural" products. I will gracefully bow out now, i didn't imagine my statement would cause this much of an uproar.
I don't think you're crazy, just misinformed.5 -
n1cholee93 wrote: »jenxbowers wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
What exactly do genetically modified ingredients do to destroy your health?
Did i say genetically modified? I was stating as a whole. Pesticides are not natural and in no way should be consumed. GMO products cause all sorts of risk, including the environment and risk changing wild population plants. Though most don't run risks health wise, there a certain products so modified we might as well be eating chemicals. Margarine is literally a molecule away from plastic. You don't support organic? I can't support GMO now a days. I get "back when" we modified certain foods, but it's so out of hands now a days it's kind of scary. You know how many chemicals are in diet soda? Sugar alternatives? No thanks.
Pesticides are killing off bugs: lady bugs, bee's and other bugs. It just doesn't kill off the "bad" ones.
We could go back and forth, and could put down so many website links. But i'd rather not argue over the internet. Do your research and make your own conclusion. I stand by organic and non GMO foods.
In that case, you'd be better off consuming GMOs and actively avoiding organics.
And hydrogen peroxide is literally one atom away from water. Yet, water is essential to human life, while hydrogen peroxide is toxic.
I'm not sure what "research" you've done, but your conclusions are both faulty and at odds with reality.13 -
I saw a sign at the grocery store the other day for their organic chicken, " Organic chicken, Free-range, all vegetarian diet". Which is ridiculous. The definition of "free-range" is that the chickens must have "access" to the outdoors. Not that they actually spend any part of their day outdoors, just that they have access. And life for those "cage-free free-range" chickens is actually worse than conventional farming because chickens kept in close quarters will get vicious and eat each other.
If the birds do actually get to go outside and free-range for part of their day, they will not be eating a vegetarian diet. Chickens will eat anything they come across: plants, weeds, worms, insects, lizards, field mice. I let my chickens out to free-range specifically so that they can get all those other foods that they cant catch in their run. And if one of my chickens gets sick, there is no way I'm not going to give her antibiotics just so that I can claim she's "organic'. I don't want my animals suffering for a label that means nothing.5 -
Genetically modified food has not been proven safe by any one who does not have a vested interest in the GMO market. I do check all labels and if in doubt I leave it on the shelf. I have found that a lot of organic or non-GMO food is becoming more common and more affordable. You just have to shop around.2
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domeofstars wrote: »Are you happy to pay more for organic food?
Happy to pay more? No. And I don't care about organic and buy conventional in the supermarket. I do care about local and supporting small farmers (just a personal thing plus a taste thing) so during the season I subscribe to a farm share (that happens to be an organic farm) and supplement a lot from a local green market that sells basically organics (we have a bunch of different certifications so it's a bit more complicated). I don't mind paying more for taste and my particular preferences/principles and to support ways of providing produce that I am happy are available, but I can afford it and know this is a luxury. If I had a tighter budget I would probably find a cheaper source of vegetables and not worry about organics. (You can use food stamps at farmers markets where I am, as an aside.)Do you avoid foods that are genetically modified?
No, although from my knowledge of what foods are I suspect I don't eat a lot of them. I don't care at all, though. GMOs don't bother me a bit. On the other hand, I'm a fan of keeping as diverse a selection of produce as possible, and support efforts to concentrate/sell lots of varieties that may be harder to market long-distance but taste great. I think that's an important alternative to the various GMOs (for foodie reasons and perhaps environmental, not because I think GMOs are bad for us).I'm not in the US, and I found a place that sold imported American foods. I was amazed at how many foods had genetically modified ingredients in them. I have family in the US and they pretty much buy organic all the time but they are rich...
You mean packaged stuff? I don't eat a lot of premade/packaged stuff, I guess.1 -
n1cholee93 wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
I understand most people think the "organic" is a ploy, and it is to a certain extent. But organic means what we're eating is more natural. Organic meat = animals (cows) need to be on a rotation. Meaning the animals aren't sat in a padlock all their lives. Ever notice the seal for animal welfare on most organic products? I look for those above all else, personally.
I also lost the extra weight because I care about my health (I needed to normalize a high glucose number), and the modified/non-organic food I eat doesn't 'destroy' my health- I'm actually in excellent health now and have consistent good feedback from my doctor/tests.
I'm genuinely curious what you think tastes better organic? I've had organic products before and I've never tasted a difference. I do notice a color/size difference with the free range eggs I get, (from a relative who raises chickens as a hobby), but they taste the same as the ones I occasionally buy at the store.
Cereal is something i think taste better. The "simply" ones are something i find yummy. Hot chocolate/syrup. The milk, but i buy that locally and it has a rich taste, not bland. My eggs are better, you can see the difference.
I find it so funny with all the hate, though. You guys either must not do research or really live in a hole. Organic where i came from was just "food". But whatever floats your boat. You can't deny the chemicals in everyday food. McDonalds even had a FQ on why their food doesn't mold. Or why twinkies are stay good. I personally did my own research and came to the conclusion i didn't want to eat certain foods, i guess "i" deem them as unhealthy, were as a majority here think i'm bat crazy. For my health and environment/animal welfare i don't mind using organic and more "natural" products. I will gracefully bow out now, i didn't imagine my statement would cause this much of an uproar.
If you are in the US and care about animal welfare, organic is far from the best way to express that concern. I'd buy from local farms where you know the practices or, in the alternative, research welfare or a system like WF does, maybe. There are huge industrial "organic" producers in the US. (Probably elsewhere too, but I know more about it here.)3 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
I understand most people think the "organic" is a ploy, and it is to a certain extent. But organic means what we're eating is more natural. Organic meat = animals (cows) need to be on a rotation. Meaning the animals aren't sat in a padlock all their lives. Ever notice the seal for animal welfare on most organic products? I look for those above all else, personally.
I also lost the extra weight because I care about my health (I needed to normalize a high glucose number), and the modified/non-organic food I eat doesn't 'destroy' my health- I'm actually in excellent health now and have consistent good feedback from my doctor/tests.
I'm genuinely curious what you think tastes better organic? I've had organic products before and I've never tasted a difference. I do notice a color/size difference with the free range eggs I get, (from a relative who raises chickens as a hobby), but they taste the same as the ones I occasionally buy at the store.
Cereal is something i think taste better. The "simply" ones are something i find yummy. Hot chocolate/syrup. The milk, but i buy that locally and it has a rich taste, not bland. My eggs are better, you can see the difference.
I find it so funny with all the hate, though. You guys either must not do research or really live in a hole. Organic where i came from was just "food". But whatever floats your boat. You can't deny the chemicals in everyday food. McDonalds even had a FQ on why their food doesn't mold. Or why twinkies are stay good. I personally did my own research and came to the conclusion i didn't want to eat certain foods, i guess "i" deem them as unhealthy, were as a majority here think i'm bat crazy. For my health and environment/animal welfare i don't mind using organic and more "natural" products. I will gracefully bow out now, i didn't imagine my statement would cause this much of an uproar.
If you are in the US and care about animal welfare, organic is far from the best way to express that concern. I'd buy from local farms where you know the practices or, in the alternative, research welfare or a system like WF does, maybe. There are huge industrial "organic" producers in the US. (Probably elsewhere too, but I know more about it here.)
Actually, this is incorrect.. sorry to burst your organic loving bubble:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogsscientificamericancomscience-sushi20110718mythbusting-101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/07/25/organic-vs-conventional-farming-lower-environmental-impact/
Id agree that buying from Local farms is best- but it is also not sustainable for the entire population to subsist on.0 -
n1cholee93 wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
I understand most people think the "organic" is a ploy, and it is to a certain extent. But organic means what we're eating is more natural. Organic meat = animals (cows) need to be on a rotation. Meaning the animals aren't sat in a padlock all their lives. Ever notice the seal for animal welfare on most organic products? I look for those above all else, personally.
I also lost the extra weight because I care about my health (I needed to normalize a high glucose number), and the modified/non-organic food I eat doesn't 'destroy' my health- I'm actually in excellent health now and have consistent good feedback from my doctor/tests.
I'm genuinely curious what you think tastes better organic? I've had organic products before and I've never tasted a difference. I do notice a color/size difference with the free range eggs I get, (from a relative who raises chickens as a hobby), but they taste the same as the ones I occasionally buy at the store.
Cereal is something i think taste better. The "simply" ones are something i find yummy. Hot chocolate/syrup. The milk, but i buy that locally and it has a rich taste, not bland. My eggs are better, you can see the difference.
I find it so funny with all the hate, though. You guys either must not do research or really live in a hole. Organic where i came from was just "food". But whatever floats your boat. You can't deny the chemicals in everyday food. McDonalds even had a FQ on why their food doesn't mold. Or why twinkies are stay good. I personally did my own research and came to the conclusion i didn't want to eat certain foods, i guess "i" deem them as unhealthy, were as a majority here think i'm bat crazy. For my health and environment/animal welfare i don't mind using organic and more "natural" products. I will gracefully bow out now, i didn't imagine my statement would cause this much of an uproar.
You do know that EVERYTHING is a chemical, right? Water = dihydrogen oxide. Also, arsenic, uranium, formaldehyde, all are very "natural".5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »n1cholee93 wrote: »Yes i buy organic. Especially fruits and vegetables. We do have our own garden and don't tend to use pesticides unless we have to.
And yes i read labels, and stay away from modified anything if i can.
Why? Because i care about my health. I'm trying to lose weight, which means i'm trying to overall be healthier. And that translates to me eating food that doesn't destroy my health. Plus organic tends to taste better...
I understand most people think the "organic" is a ploy, and it is to a certain extent. But organic means what we're eating is more natural. Organic meat = animals (cows) need to be on a rotation. Meaning the animals aren't sat in a padlock all their lives. Ever notice the seal for animal welfare on most organic products? I look for those above all else, personally.
I also lost the extra weight because I care about my health (I needed to normalize a high glucose number), and the modified/non-organic food I eat doesn't 'destroy' my health- I'm actually in excellent health now and have consistent good feedback from my doctor/tests.
I'm genuinely curious what you think tastes better organic? I've had organic products before and I've never tasted a difference. I do notice a color/size difference with the free range eggs I get, (from a relative who raises chickens as a hobby), but they taste the same as the ones I occasionally buy at the store.
Cereal is something i think taste better. The "simply" ones are something i find yummy. Hot chocolate/syrup. The milk, but i buy that locally and it has a rich taste, not bland. My eggs are better, you can see the difference.
I find it so funny with all the hate, though. You guys either must not do research or really live in a hole. Organic where i came from was just "food". But whatever floats your boat. You can't deny the chemicals in everyday food. McDonalds even had a FQ on why their food doesn't mold. Or why twinkies are stay good. I personally did my own research and came to the conclusion i didn't want to eat certain foods, i guess "i" deem them as unhealthy, were as a majority here think i'm bat crazy. For my health and environment/animal welfare i don't mind using organic and more "natural" products. I will gracefully bow out now, i didn't imagine my statement would cause this much of an uproar.
If you are in the US and care about animal welfare, organic is far from the best way to express that concern. I'd buy from local farms where you know the practices or, in the alternative, research welfare or a system like WF does, maybe. There are huge industrial "organic" producers in the US. (Probably elsewhere too, but I know more about it here.)
Actually, this is incorrect.. sorry to burst your organic loving bubble:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/httpblogsscientificamericancomscience-sushi20110718mythbusting-101-organic-farming-conventional-agriculture/
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/07/25/organic-vs-conventional-farming-lower-environmental-impact/
Id agree that buying from Local farms is best- but it is also not sustainable for the entire population to subsist on.
Did you misread my post? How am I "organic loving"? (I am not anti or pro organic, see my first post. When I buy in a supermarket I buy conventional unless the organic looks fresher or otherwise better sufficiently to justify the cost difference.)
I looked at your links and basically agree with them, but fail to see how they make my comment that you quoted "incorrect" -- again, that comment was that buying organic is NOT the best way to address a concern with animal welfare.3
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