Self hate after cheat meal
matthewhumpherys582
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Hey guys, looking for some support from this awesome community..
I allow myself a cheat meal every week. It's reasonable and I never "over eat." It's part of the meal planning my trainer has me on. Anyways, I always feel terrible and like really hate on myself when I do this. Do you guys have any tips on how to not destroy yourself when you make a mistake in your diet or allow yourself some sweet treat every now and then? I've lost 20 lbs in 2 months (started at 275 no I'm at 252).
I allow myself a cheat meal every week. It's reasonable and I never "over eat." It's part of the meal planning my trainer has me on. Anyways, I always feel terrible and like really hate on myself when I do this. Do you guys have any tips on how to not destroy yourself when you make a mistake in your diet or allow yourself some sweet treat every now and then? I've lost 20 lbs in 2 months (started at 275 no I'm at 252).
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If it makes you feel like that, stop doing it13
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Yeah. Definitely! I've been thinking just to cut them out. The deeper question is how do you rebound after eating something that you probably shouldn't??0
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Matt, I have an entire cheat day and I have lost 17 pounds in 7 weeks. It is one day out of the week I get to eat what I miss out on during the week of clean eating. I don't eat back my exercise calories and most days i am usually 200 calories or more below my daily goal. It really comes down to your weekly calorie deficit, which mine is 12,660 calories or less in 6 days. I figure as long as I stay under this i will lose weight. One day isn't going to break me. After my cheat day I usually workout twice on that day.6
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Don't cheat. I work the foods I enjoy into my goals as I can.9
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If its food, its meant to be eaten. For weight loss goals, there are probably some foods you should eat less of, sure. But this is built into your plan, so .... you are are compliant. So why have guilt when you did what you agreed to? No one is measuring for extra compliance.
But I get it. I am more using MFP in order to be nicer to myself. I would starve myself if I didn't have this app to tell me that I can eat my allotted calories and still meet my goals. Overachiever mindset and all that.
I log it and own it. The shadow of imagined wrongs are often larger in your own head. I have often measured up the calories of a wreck of a day and found out, wait, I am only at maintenance for today, or I am still on track for the week. MFP lets me rest easy and put those swirling negative thoughts down.8 -
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There's never a good reason to hate yourself over food. Even if you ate your way through an entire chocolate factory and had a side order of a bakery too. You are still never a bad person just because of what you eat. We all have off days. Log them, move on, do better tomorrow.
My perspective, though, is that I don't "cheat." I could easily eat far more calories than I really wanted to if I did that. I would then be unhappy that I'd erased some of the caloric deficit I worked so hard to achieve. So instead, I sometimes save calories for things I really want, or eat high calorie treats on my long run days.
I also budget for chocolate every day. Yes, chocolate every single day. I love it. I have been tracking and losing weight for over two years and I would not have stuck with it for this long if I couldn't have my chocolate. It's not a mistake to eat foods that you like. It's one of the pleasures of being human. You can incorporate your favorite foods into your diet if they fit your calorie/macro goals.9 -
Please stop punishing yourself. Sometimes we just need those extras. Work a little harder the next day. I used to freak out when I ate half an apple. Now I let it go and I sleep better and the scale goes down the second day.3
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That's awesome, 20 lbs in 2 months! I know how you feel about the cheat meal. I do that too, but I find it easier to just remind myself how I will feel afterwards before I even eat it. It helps me not do the cheat meal or eat much less of it (if I absolutely have to have it).2
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It's possible that calling it a 'cheat day' might have a lot to do with feeling so guilty about it. Often it is the way we perceive a problem rather than the problem itself. If you are losing weight this way..and you said you are. And you have chosen a trainer you trust to guide you and he has suggested you eat a larger meal once a week then you are o.k. 20 pounds in 2 months is great. Now as far as these communities go? There are good ones and others not so good. Just like in real life. Except here you will often run into people that can be just plain mean! Do not take that and run with it! Take the good..and leave the rest behind. Believe in yourself. Trust your trainer. Find some 'good friends' here. 'BlueHorse8' seems to relate well to what you are going through. It is a a learning process..for all of us..so share with us what you discover as you move along. Best wishes!2
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matthewhumpherys582 wrote: »Yeah. Definitely! I've been thinking just to cut them out. The deeper question is how do you rebound after eating something that you probably shouldn't??
You said they are part of your plan for your trainer - they are likely there for a reason! Perhaps ask him to explain why.
You need to stop with all the negative food associations. I've been there, and it caused me so many problems. You need to be comfortable knowing that you can eat what you like, when you like, and still achieve your goals. (I'm in no way suggesting you forego a healthy nutritious diet and fill your calories with doughnuts for breakfast, followed by beer and pizza for dinner every day, just know that eating these foods isn't bad, or a reason to feel guilty - unless of course you stole the food before eating it. Then feel guilty)
Perhaps when you ask your trainer about the purpose of a free meal/refeed, you can express your anxiety at having no parameters. Perhaps he can give you macros/calories to stick to so you know you still have some control over your day?4 -
Kudos on your progress so far, it's clear whatever your trainer has you doing/eating is getting results. Though, if you're having trouble dealing with the "cheat" meal portion of the plan, I wouldn't be afraid to talk to him/her about your feelings about it and see if they have an alternative strategy to suggest. As you lose more weight and get closer to your goal it may get harder to keep seeing results with a lose(r) diet plan. It's possible this cheat meal might be something your trainer structures all of their plans with during the initial phase to help trainees transition into a healthier lifestyle without being overwhelmingly restrictive to promote early buy-in to the program.
Personally, I'm not a fan of designated cheat meals or days; they only serve to structure indulging the very dietary choices and behaviors that created the physiological situation you're trying to solve. Rather than build in a designated meal or day to satiate cravings/desires on a regular basis, be realistic in accepting that, occasionally, mistakes or less-than-healthy choices are going to be made, be prepared to minimize their effect, and try and reduce their frequency.2 -
I personally don't have cheat meals. This doesn't work for everyone, but my "cheat meals" are healthy desserts I've learned to love as I've gotten used to a healthy way of eating. Try finding healthy ways to cheat that are healthy but feel like you are cheating?1
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Stop looking at your food as good and bad, and stop calling it cheating. Call it a refeed meal. Sounds like you are losing at a good rate, so it's not harming your losses. As you get closer to goal, you may need to watch that a little more closely.3
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Disclosure: I'm an emotional eater, a boredom eater, an introvert who generally puts food in her mouth because it's easier than letting small talk come out of it, and I have some minor anxiety issues, especially in social settings. Which is kind of a recipe for hanging out at the buffet table all evening. So...
I keep telling myself that a treat is not a cheat. By which I mean, I don't have 'cheat meals' in the sense of deliberately going over my calories. What I do is try to be realistic about my attitude toward food and recognize that when I go to a birthday party, yes, I want cake and NO I am not going to be happy "virtuously" sipping water and munching on carrot sticks.
So before I go into the situation, I mentally sit down and ask myself, "Now, before the cake is on the table, calling your name like the Dish of the Day in the Hitchhiker's Guide trilogy and begging you to eat it, be honest: how much of the high-calorie stuff do you think you need to eat for you to not feel deprived?" Then I check the database and get an idea of how many calories we're talking about. And then, I enter that amount into the tracker before I even get to the party. (If there's a range, I usually aim for the high side of average; I can adjust later.) This achieves a few things:- I have a reasonable idea of what the cake (or ice cream, or cookie, or whatever) is going to cost me. And while 300 calories, for example, is a significant part of my daily allotment, it's 300 calories. I would have to be 3500 above maintenance to gain a pound. So, if I choose to indulge in the cake...
- I have the cake. Without the side of guilt that has been thrown in for no extra charge in the past. Because I haven't blown anything. The pounds I've already shed aren't going to come flying back onto my hips.
- Sometimes, if I know I ate something high calorie and I haven't pre-logged, I resist entering it into the tracker afterwards. If I don't record it, it didn't happen! Of course, then I feel worse, because I know it really did happen, but as long as I'm not logging and as long as the day is already shot... Well, I might as well see what else is in the fridge, right? Yeah. Not fooling anyone, especially me. Pre-logging keeps me honest and accountable. More to the point, when I write it in ahead of time, I take steps to ensure I don't go over. Smaller meals, more exercise, whatever it takes.
- When I recognize that it's actually okay for me to have that piece of cake, I can enjoy it and then stop and stick to the fruit and veggie platters.
So far, I've dropped 37 lbs in 4 months (Got another 87 to go), and every week, I make room for a couple of pieces of potato kugel and a frosted cookie. I had cake at my nephew's birthday last week. I had latkes and donuts on Hannukah. But it all gets logged and it all stays within my daily totals.
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I wouldn't be having a cheat meal. A calorie deficit diet more or less allows you to eat foods you enjoy.
If you crave a mcdonalds, or chinese, go get it, log it and if your under your calories great, if not take it off the next few days and it works out1 -
While I agree the whole idea of a cheat meal or cheat day is bad because it links emotions to food, I disagree with the idea that there is no such thing as good or bad food. Some food, i.e. Fast food( McDonalds, KFC, Chipotle, Panda Express), is clearly bad and should only be eaten if the only food on the planet and you'd starve to death without it. I tend to categorise these foods as "food like substances" or "not food" in my mind. If it's not food, then it follows there is no point eating it whatsoever as it's harmful to my health...to me it would be equivalent to drinking a bottle of draino..poisoning myself. I don't even crave these bad foods, zero temptation to "cheat." I don't have a cheat meal or cheat day...I just eat healthy. At times I will treat myself...as in a big multi course dinner with a dessert....but it's not cheating so much as planning how I want to spend my daily calories.0
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Have a look at cognitive behavioural therapy, you can do this on line, and it doesn't have to take that long, but you need to learn how to reframe how you think about that "cheat" meal.0
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Don't look at it as a cheat meal and just look at it as any other meal but don't do it often if you feel bad afterwards. This is a lifestyle choice so eat realistically. It's okay to eat what you want like that.0
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perkymommy wrote: »Don't look at it as a cheat meal and just look at it as any other meal but don't do it often if you feel bad afterwards. This is a lifestyle choice so eat realistically. It's okay to eat what you want like that.
I agree. I used to call Friday my cheat day, but no longer do this as the thinking promotes a negative view about my food. I've taken.a bit of a longer view and consider my change in nutrition a life choice about what and how much I eat. When I choose to eat something that is rich in fats or sugar (ex. Molten lava cake or a nice single malt scotch) I savor it to the max, log it in and move on.0 -
1: Don't have cheat days/meals, if they bother you.
2: Tell your trainer straight-up, "this doesn't work for me. I'm not going to do it." If he's good, he'll work around it. If not, then get a new trainer - one that will listen to you and work with your particulars.3 -
While I agree the whole idea of a cheat meal or cheat day is bad because it links emotions to food, I disagree with the idea that there is no such thing as good or bad food. Some food, i.e. Fast food( McDonalds, KFC, Chipotle, Panda Express), is clearly bad and should only be eaten if the only food on the planet and you'd starve to death without it. I tend to categorise these foods as "food like substances" or "not food" in my mind. If it's not food, then it follows there is no point eating it whatsoever as it's harmful to my health...to me it would be equivalent to drinking a bottle of draino..poisoning myself. I don't even crave these bad foods, zero temptation to "cheat." I don't have a cheat meal or cheat day...I just eat healthy. At times I will treat myself...as in a big multi course dinner with a dessert....but it's not cheating so much as planning how I want to spend my daily calories.
You are going to find a lot of people on here who disagree with you. While I agree that McD's is disgusting, that's my personal opinion. And places like Chipotle and Panda Express use fresh, mostly "whole" ingredients. So much so, that at Panda you can see the beautiful containers of fresh veggies they have prepped along with containers of fresh meat. Don't demonize all food that can be prepared quickly and encourage others to do so as well. If you don't want to eat at those places, fine, that is absolutely your call, but don't tell others that food from those places is akin to poison and should only be eaten if there are no other options. Sheesh.7 -
nightengale7 wrote: »While I agree the whole idea of a cheat meal or cheat day is bad because it links emotions to food, I disagree with the idea that there is no such thing as good or bad food. Some food, i.e. Fast food( McDonalds, KFC, Chipotle, Panda Express), is clearly bad and should only be eaten if the only food on the planet and you'd starve to death without it. I tend to categorise these foods as "food like substances" or "not food" in my mind. If it's not food, then it follows there is no point eating it whatsoever as it's harmful to my health...to me it would be equivalent to drinking a bottle of draino..poisoning myself. I don't even crave these bad foods, zero temptation to "cheat." I don't have a cheat meal or cheat day...I just eat healthy. At times I will treat myself...as in a big multi course dinner with a dessert....but it's not cheating so much as planning how I want to spend my daily calories.
You are going to find a lot of people on here who disagree with you. While I agree that McD's is disgusting, that's my personal opinion. And places like Chipotle and Panda Express use fresh, mostly "whole" ingredients. So much so, that at Panda you can see the beautiful containers of fresh veggies they have prepped along with containers of fresh meat. Don't demonize all food that can be prepared quickly and encourage others to do so as well. If you don't want to eat at those places, fine, that is absolutely your call, but don't tell others that food from those places is akin to poison and should only be eaten if there are no other options. Sheesh.
Mmmm, Panda! Veggies and double orange chicken = 880 calories. I can easily fit that for dinner most days!
I agree with @nightengale7, food is food. They are not "bad" or "good." They are neutral.4 -
While I agree the whole idea of a cheat meal or cheat day is bad because it links emotions to food, I disagree with the idea that there is no such thing as good or bad food. Some food, i.e. Fast food( McDonalds, KFC, Chipotle, Panda Express), is clearly bad and should only be eaten if the only food on the planet and you'd starve to death without it. I tend to categorise these foods as "food like substances" or "not food" in my mind. If it's not food, then it follows there is no point eating it whatsoever as it's harmful to my health...to me it would be equivalent to drinking a bottle of draino..poisoning myself. I don't even crave these bad foods, zero temptation to "cheat." I don't have a cheat meal or cheat day...I just eat healthy. At times I will treat myself...as in a big multi course dinner with a dessert....but it's not cheating so much as planning how I want to spend my daily calories.
This is not a very healthy or realistic way to look at food. You can eat well rounded meals at most of those places with a little effort. It is much more about the amount of these foods you allow yourself than abstaining altogether. I am a food professional btw so I know for a fact that the places you listed have decent options for people who are counting calories. There are very healthy people who eat at those places from time to time. Moderation is key.5 -
The occasional day eating what you like is no disaster. Hating yourself over it makes no sense, just don't allow yourself to use it as an excuse for giving in and doing it the next day etc. Once a week is fine when losing as you are - consider it a reward for progress day not cheating. And if someone has a McDonalds on that day, so what! I have one every few months... I have lost 18lb over 2 months doing similar...0
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matthewhumpherys582 wrote: »Yeah. Definitely! I've been thinking just to cut them out. The deeper question is how do you rebound after eating something that you probably shouldn't??
How do you rebound? If you feel that bad about it. Use that as a motivator to push that much harder at the gym.0 -
While I agree the whole idea of a cheat meal or cheat day is bad because it links emotions to food, I disagree with the idea that there is no such thing as good or bad food. Some food, i.e. Fast food( McDonalds, KFC, Chipotle, Panda Express), is clearly bad and should only be eaten if the only food on the planet and you'd starve to death without it. I tend to categorise these foods as "food like substances" or "not food" in my mind. If it's not food, then it follows there is no point eating it whatsoever as it's harmful to my health...to me it would be equivalent to drinking a bottle of draino..poisoning myself. I don't even crave these bad foods, zero temptation to "cheat." I don't have a cheat meal or cheat day...I just eat healthy. At times I will treat myself...as in a big multi course dinner with a dessert....but it's not cheating so much as planning how I want to spend my daily calories.
You do understand that there is a fundamental difference between fast food and Draino, right? There's no amount of Draino that is safe for human consumption, but there is certainly an amount of food from any of those restaurants (even McDonald's) that is not only safe for human consumption, but is health-promoting in the right circumstances and amounts. So let's drop the hyperbole, because it isn't going to help the OP's struggle with demonizing food.
If I'm at home and make myself a bowl of brown rice, black beans, sauteed veggies, guacamole and lettuce, that's certainly healthful. I get a bunch of fiber, some protein, some good fats, etc. But if I go to Chipotle and order that exact same thing, suddenly it's poison? Are they adding some extra toxinz, or is it just the fact that they make it more quickly than I typically can that makes it suddenly bad for me? It might have a few extra calories, but either I plan for that or I leave off the rice if I can't fit it in that day.8 -
OP, some people do well with a planned cheat meal, whereas others might do better incorporating smaller treats more often. Either way is fine, and you should talk with your trainer about switching up your plan if it's really causing you that much anxiety.
If you imagine having, say, 200 calories of treat foods every day, how does that feel? If it causes you the same amount of anxiety as when you imagine having a full cheat meal, that's a red flag that your relationship with food might be getting a little unhealthy. If it's a case of "I can comfortably eat a wide variety of foods, but the cheat meal plan just doesn't work," that's one thing; if it's a case of "I can only comfortably eat a narrow range of foods that I consider to be 'clean' or 'healthy'", that's a totally different thing.2 -
I'm going to ignore some of the posts in this thread and just address the OP.
Your trainer is likely sticking to the concept of the refeed or diet break concept in order to keep some of your key hormones from becoming depleted while dieting.
What you eat for this meal is up to you.
There has been some research done on dietary compliance (I believe I've seen this cited by Lyle McDonald ... ah found an article, but he didn't cite the research with a link: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/flexible-versus-rigid-dieting.html/ ) that people who restrict foods most of the time but plan indulgences weekly are more likely to stick to their diets than those who try to white knuckle things the whole time and cut things out entirely.
So, the answer is to maybe change your thinking and trust the research and be kinder to yourself.
If you're not going over your calorie goals, it's okay, in the context of an overall nutritious diet to have a few indulgence foods once a week. That's part of a healthy mindset about food. Focusing too much on being perfect isn't a good attitude to have.1
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