Wish fresh veggies weren't so expensive
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wellthenwhat wrote: »I made myself a delicious carrot/broccoli/cauliflower cooked veggie combo and had some for breakfast. But for what it cost me I could have bought 3 huge bags of sugar cereal that would last me several months vs a week. It's sad.
I went shopping last night. (Kansas, Walmart, winter)
I bought a large bag (2lb 1.5 oz) of a chocolate puff cereal with marshmallows for $5.98. That bag is 32 servings.
I also bought vegetables and some fruit (not organic). I spent about $28 on vegetables and fruits for a family of 3 humans plus 2 guinea pigs. Some will last us a few weeks and some will be used up in a week.
The cereal is cheap per serving ($.18) but 1 large meal of vegetables would not cost the same as 3 big bags of cereal.
3 lb bag of fresh apples $5.54
3-5 lb (?) bag of fresh potatoes $3.67
16 oz bag of fresh parsnips $2.68
Bag of fresh oranges $4.97
26 oz bag frozen broccoli $1.98 (8 servings)
16 oz bag frozen spinach $1.44 (6 servings)
Fresh cherry tomatoes $2.98
4 fresh bell peppers $3.52
I didn't buy fresh carrots or cauliflower this week. An old receipt from January has a bag of whole carrots at $1.48.
Frozen and canned vegetables and fruits can be cheaper than fresh in winter. Investigate those.
Ultimately it is a choice of how you want to live and what it is worth to you.
This perplexes me, being as how we're both in the midwest. I'm in IA, and here the apples would be about $3, potatoes on sale for $2 or less, oranges for about $3.50, & green peppers .50. This week, I got asparagus for .99 a bunch, cauliflower for 1.99, kale for .99, and strawberries for 1.29/lb.
Even so, I don't want fruits & veggies all the time and don't understand the OP's either/or scenario.
It also depends on what items stores are using as their loss leaders for the week. There can be a signficant price difference between two stores in the same town, at the same time, depending on this. So many variables go into the pricing of food!0 -
As noted above, in season fruits and veggies tend to be a big cheaper than out of season stuff. I also buy bulk whole grains and dried beans which keeps my food cost down. We also buy some fruits and veggies frozen. I can feed my family of 4 on less than $100 a week, including non-food items (laundry detergent, etc.) by focusing on buying in bulk and in season.
I also factor in the "long term" factor of spending on fruits and veggies versus junky (high sugar cereal type) foods. In the long term, I will probably be a bit healthier, and thus spend far less on medicines and doctor's visits to keep me alive.1 -
Time to start thinking about gardening! I've heard "Square Foot Garden" is a great city-dweller way. The up-front cost will be higher, but you can get some pretty fresh veggies all season long.4
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It's a balancing act to stock up on fruits and vegetables ... I shop the specials or sale items and rotate, but still spend more on produce than other food stuffs.
This week was stock up week for my cooking staple vegetables ... potato, onion, celery, carrot, cabbage - those came in at just under $17.00 and will last a month or more. Then I also picked items that will be gone in a week ... brocolli, cucumber, mushrooms, bell peppers and tomatoes which cost $15.00. That doen't count the frozen veggies I have tucked away from when they were on sale for $1.00 per 12-16 ounce bag last week ... corn, sweet peas, green beans, spinach, cauliflower ... I won't use fresh veggies next week (except for the staples), but will rely on the frozen ones.
For fruit, this week had a sale on apples, cantaloupe and bananas, but I also picked up a bag of grapefruit - all for just under $14.00 ... the cantaloupe and bananas are for eating this week and the apples and grapefruit will roll into the next couple of weeks, All are augmented by the blue berries and strawberries I buy when on sale and freeze to have on hand. When I do buy the berries, no other fruit makes it into the grocery cart.
I very occasionally buy summer or winter squash, eggplant, beets, parsnips, radishes, scallion/leaks out of season because there are less expensive veggies I can get that work in my food plan ... and always look forward to the meals I make using some of these.2 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »wellthenwhat wrote: »I made myself a delicious carrot/broccoli/cauliflower cooked veggie combo and had some for breakfast. But for what it cost me I could have bought 3 huge bags of sugar cereal that would last me several months vs a week. It's sad.
I went shopping last night. (Kansas, Walmart, winter)
I bought a large bag (2lb 1.5 oz) of a chocolate puff cereal with marshmallows for $5.98. That bag is 32 servings.
I also bought vegetables and some fruit (not organic). I spent about $28 on vegetables and fruits for a family of 3 humans plus 2 guinea pigs. Some will last us a few weeks and some will be used up in a week.
The cereal is cheap per serving ($.18) but 1 large meal of vegetables would not cost the same as 3 big bags of cereal.
3 lb bag of fresh apples $5.54
3-5 lb (?) bag of fresh potatoes $3.67
16 oz bag of fresh parsnips $2.68
Bag of fresh oranges $4.97
26 oz bag frozen broccoli $1.98 (8 servings)
16 oz bag frozen spinach $1.44 (6 servings)
Fresh cherry tomatoes $2.98
4 fresh bell peppers $3.52
I didn't buy fresh carrots or cauliflower this week. An old receipt from January has a bag of whole carrots at $1.48.
Frozen and canned vegetables and fruits can be cheaper than fresh in winter. Investigate those.
Ultimately it is a choice of how you want to live and what it is worth to you.
This perplexes me, being as how we're both in the midwest. I'm in IA, and here the apples would be about $3, potatoes on sale for $2 or less, oranges for about $3.50, & green peppers .50. This week, I got asparagus for .99 a bunch, cauliflower for 1.99, kale for .99, and strawberries for 1.29/lb.
Even so, I don't want fruits & veggies all the time and don't understand the OP's either/or scenario.
It also depends on what items stores are using as their loss leaders for the week. There can be a signficant price difference between two stores in the same town, at the same time, depending on this. So many variables go into the pricing of food!
Ya, I usually spend a few minutes per week reviewing the supermarket flyers and basing my decision on where to shop on who has the best deals. I focus on meat though. Everyone is competitive on corned beef this year.
For veggies, I had a great farm stand and farmer's market near me where I used to live and am going to have to find a new one this spring. http://www.localharvest.org/
I just finished my supply of potatoes that my mom grew last year. She also grows enough butternut squash to get her through March but I'm (much) less of a fan of that.
My sister has done "fruit shares" in the past. Here's more on Community Supported Agriculture (CSA): http://www.localharvest.org/csa/1 -
Time to start thinking about gardening! I've heard "Square Foot Garden" is a great city-dweller way. The up-front cost will be higher, but you can get some pretty fresh veggies all season long.
I had extensive garden beds at my last place. Before I moved here last fall, we put in two 4' x 4' beds using the "Square Foot Garden" mix. I have scallions, sage, chives and some other perennial herbs in there now, plus a half bed of strawberries. Will have to be strategic about what annuals I plant, but I know there will be kale and Swiss chard, plus tomatoes for my OH's mother.1 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »For the calorie amount fresh fruit and veg ARE more expensive. I hate how people say they aren't. If I buy some junk food donuts 1.69 (for pack of 6 at 320 cal per doughnut) and box of cereal (1.69 with 12 servings) that would easily last me 2 weeks of 500-600 calorie breakfasts. HOWEVER, if I buy 4 fresh bell peppers (4.00), one lb broccoli (2 bucks), one large tomato (2), I could eat ALL of that in ONE day and it wouldn't even amount to the same calorie amount of "fuel". So YES eating fresh fruit and veg is more expensive than eating junk because you have to buy A LOT more to get the same calorie amount of fuel.
No way. A few vegetables, some protein and a starch and you can feed yourself for a few days cooking one meal. Even if you buy the cheapest junk food out there you will not get the same nutritional bang for your buck. I wish the myth of "it's cheap to get fat" would die. Some things are very expensive, but seasonal vegetables or frozen vegetables are cheap almost everywhere. Canned vegetables are also an option. All of these are cheaper than a pop tart or hot pocket. I think it's an excuse people use either because they don't know how to cook or they want to keep eating junk and don't want to just admit that.
All of these are not cheaper. A box of poptarts run 1.67 at my local store and that would last a WEEK. For that amount I could get ONE tomato or one head of broccoli, which would just be a small component of ONE meal. I think it depends on location. I am picky about my veg and I don't like canned vegetables or cheap starches such as rice/beans/potatoes so when I make a meal, it is all veg and protein. I buy lettuce which is 2.99 and it lasts me only two salads worth. To eat a salad every day for lunch is quite expensive. I have to buy the lettuce, tomato (2), onions (1), cucumber (99c), radishes (2), green pepper (1), etc it all adds up to about 5 per salad when I figured it out, which is 25 bucks per week. Alternately I could have a hot pocket each day for lunch for the same calories and it would only cost me 7.50 for the whole week.
Just an example, so I don't think you can say it IS just as cheap to eat healthy. It CAN be, but many people such as myself are picky and do not want to eat plain rice and canned vegetables. I also dislike the taste of frozen vegetables. They aren't the same as fresh. So unfortunately with my preferences it is more expensive, although that is my fault LOL. I don't use it as an excuse because my grocery bill is quite high. I do choose to eat mostly vegetables because it's what I enjoy, I just am not happy about it.2 -
Yes vegetables are more expensive than junkfood. However, in a long term investment way of thinking vegetables are a good idea. Sugar cereal may seem cheap but long term has costs such as obesity and diabetes. Both are expensive.2
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Yes vegetables are more expensive than junkfood. However, in a long term investment way of thinking vegetables are a good idea. Sugar cereal may seem cheap but long term has costs such as obesity and diabetes. Both are expensive.
But sugar cereal doesn't cause obesity-eating at a calorie surplus does. One can incorporate veggies AND cereal into a healthy, balanced diet
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crzycatlady1 wrote: »Yes vegetables are more expensive than junkfood. However, in a long term investment way of thinking vegetables are a good idea. Sugar cereal may seem cheap but long term has costs such as obesity and diabetes. Both are expensive.
But sugar cereal doesn't cause obesity-eating at a calorie surplus does. One can incorporate veggies AND cereal into a healthy, balanced diet
True. But it is a much more calorie dense food and easier to overeat. Plus that gsugar spike does a number on your blood glucose levels and thus also sugar cravings. I'm trying to make point that yes junk is cheaper short term but investing in better foods like vegetables can pay off long term.0 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »For the calorie amount fresh fruit and veg ARE more expensive. I hate how people say they aren't. If I buy some junk food donuts 1.69 (for pack of 6 at 320 cal per doughnut) and box of cereal (1.69 with 12 servings) that would easily last me 2 weeks of 500-600 calorie breakfasts. HOWEVER, if I buy 4 fresh bell peppers (4.00), one lb broccoli (2 bucks), one large tomato (2), I could eat ALL of that in ONE day and it wouldn't even amount to the same calorie amount of "fuel". So YES eating fresh fruit and veg is more expensive than eating junk because you have to buy A LOT more to get the same calorie amount of fuel.
No way. A few vegetables, some protein and a starch and you can feed yourself for a few days cooking one meal. Even if you buy the cheapest junk food out there you will not get the same nutritional bang for your buck. I wish the myth of "it's cheap to get fat" would die. Some things are very expensive, but seasonal vegetables or frozen vegetables are cheap almost everywhere. Canned vegetables are also an option. All of these are cheaper than a pop tart or hot pocket. I think it's an excuse people use either because they don't know how to cook or they want to keep eating junk and don't want to just admit that.
All of these are not cheaper. A box of poptarts run 1.67 at my local store and that would last a WEEK. For that amount I could get ONE tomato or one head of broccoli, which would just be a small component of ONE meal. I think it depends on location. I am picky about my veg and I don't like canned vegetables or cheap starches such as rice/beans/potatoes so when I make a meal, it is all veg and protein. I buy lettuce which is 2.99 and it lasts me only two salads worth. To eat a salad every day for lunch is quite expensive. I have to buy the lettuce, tomato (2), onions (1), cucumber (99c), radishes (2), green pepper (1), etc it all adds up to about 5 per salad when I figured it out, which is 25 bucks per week. Alternately I could have a hot pocket each day for lunch for the same calories and it would only cost me 7.50 for the whole week.
Just an example, so I don't think you can say it IS just as cheap to eat healthy. It CAN be, but many people such as myself are picky and do not want to eat plain rice and canned vegetables. I also dislike the taste of frozen vegetables. They aren't the same as fresh. So unfortunately with my preferences it is more expensive, although that is my fault LOL. I don't use it as an excuse because my grocery bill is quite high. I do choose to eat mostly vegetables because it's what I enjoy, I just am not happy about it.
It says so much that poptarts are considered a meal. People look to cheap process food before wholesome ingredients. There are many blogs out there where people have set about demonstrating that you can eat well and cheaply -- even on food stamps. However, I acknowledge that it takes desire, time and resource to shop, plan and cook whole ingredients. Desire, time and resources that not everyone has.
There are a number of resources out there for those who want to try and eat whole foods on a restricted budget. These resources help you with planning. You just have to find the time to cook. You also have to be open to leftovers and using ingredients to the fullest as our great-grandparents did -- chicken to eat, leftovers, carcass for soup, etc.
Eat Well on $4/day
https://cookbooks.leannebrown.com/good-and-cheap.pdf
Article about the book http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/27/426761037/cheap-eats-a-cookbook-for-eating-well-on-a-food-stamp-budget
7 Of The Best Food Blogs For Eating On A Budget
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/11/budget-food-blogs_n_6135100.html
There are many more resources out there to be discovered.
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »For the calorie amount fresh fruit and veg ARE more expensive. I hate how people say they aren't. If I buy some junk food donuts 1.69 (for pack of 6 at 320 cal per doughnut) and box of cereal (1.69 with 12 servings) that would easily last me 2 weeks of 500-600 calorie breakfasts. HOWEVER, if I buy 4 fresh bell peppers (4.00), one lb broccoli (2 bucks), one large tomato (2), I could eat ALL of that in ONE day and it wouldn't even amount to the same calorie amount of "fuel". So YES eating fresh fruit and veg is more expensive than eating junk because you have to buy A LOT more to get the same calorie amount of fuel.
To eat a salad every day for lunch is quite expensive. I have to buy the lettuce, tomato (2), onions (1), cucumber (99c), radishes (2), green pepper (1), etc it all adds up to about 5 per salad when I figured it out, which is 25 bucks per week.
Nothing to do with the topic, but are you saying the above quantities are for 1 salad? As I was reading your post, I was eating a ginormous salad for dinner (filled a serving bowl). I used the same quantities you described (and a half a bag of spinach) and it made mine, the same size for hubby, and some leftover for lunch tomorrow!0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »Are you in the US? I've heard cauliflower is (or was, some months ago) expensive over there. Pick produce in season, or frozen. You're not supposed to overdo it, either. 3 100 grams servings of vegs and 2 servings of fruit per day is enough. Oh, and avoid "organic" if "not organic" is cheaper. And precut will be more expensive.
I don't really think you wish vegetables weren't so expensive. Vegs aren't expensive. But you prefer other foods? You can have a little of each, and your taste preferences can change and adapt to what you expose them to. Learn to cook.
Where do you find that more than 3 servings of veggies and 2 servings of fruit is overdoing it?1 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »For the calorie amount fresh fruit and veg ARE more expensive. I hate how people say they aren't. If I buy some junk food donuts 1.69 (for pack of 6 at 320 cal per doughnut) and box of cereal (1.69 with 12 servings) that would easily last me 2 weeks of 500-600 calorie breakfasts. HOWEVER, if I buy 4 fresh bell peppers (4.00), one lb broccoli (2 bucks), one large tomato (2), I could eat ALL of that in ONE day and it wouldn't even amount to the same calorie amount of "fuel". So YES eating fresh fruit and veg is more expensive than eating junk because you have to buy A LOT more to get the same calorie amount of fuel.
To eat a salad every day for lunch is quite expensive. I have to buy the lettuce, tomato (2), onions (1), cucumber (99c), radishes (2), green pepper (1), etc it all adds up to about 5 per salad when I figured it out, which is 25 bucks per week.
Nothing to do with the topic, but are you saying the above quantities are for 1 salad? As I was reading your post, I was eating a ginormous salad for dinner (filled a serving bowl). I used the same quantities you described (and a half a bag of spinach) and it made mine, the same size for hubby, and some leftover for lunch tomorrow!
Haha no! For about a weeks worth of salads.0 -
wellthenwhat wrote: »I made myself a delicious carrot/broccoli/cauliflower cooked veggie combo and had some for breakfast. But for what it cost me I could have bought 3 huge bags of sugar cereal that would last me several months vs a week. It's sad.
You need to buy vegetables according to the season. In season - cheap, out of season - expensive.
Just by the way, how would you get 3 bags of cereal to last several months?? Not in our house for sure!!2 -
Packerjohn wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Are you in the US? I've heard cauliflower is (or was, some months ago) expensive over there. Pick produce in season, or frozen. You're not supposed to overdo it, either. 3 100 grams servings of vegs and 2 servings of fruit per day is enough. Oh, and avoid "organic" if "not organic" is cheaper. And precut will be more expensive.
I don't really think you wish vegetables weren't so expensive. Vegs aren't expensive. But you prefer other foods? You can have a little of each, and your taste preferences can change and adapt to what you expose them to. Learn to cook.
Where do you find that more than 3 servings of veggies and 2 servings of fruit is overdoing it?
LOL. Yeah, you don't want to "overdo it" with too many servings of vegetables...
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wellthenwhat wrote: »I made myself a delicious carrot/broccoli/cauliflower cooked veggie combo and had some for breakfast. But for what it cost me I could have bought 3 huge bags of sugar cereal that would last me several months vs a week. It's sad.
My favorite breakfast is a saute of onion, celery, carrot with an egg nestled atop the almost cooked through veggies and steamed to runny yolk but firm white doneness. I use half an onion, 1 long celery rib, 1 medium carrot and 1 egg per serving.2 -
Packerjohn wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Are you in the US? I've heard cauliflower is (or was, some months ago) expensive over there. Pick produce in season, or frozen. You're not supposed to overdo it, either. 3 100 grams servings of vegs and 2 servings of fruit per day is enough. Oh, and avoid "organic" if "not organic" is cheaper. And precut will be more expensive.
I don't really think you wish vegetables weren't so expensive. Vegs aren't expensive. But you prefer other foods? You can have a little of each, and your taste preferences can change and adapt to what you expose them to. Learn to cook.
Where do you find that more than 3 servings of veggies and 2 servings of fruit is overdoing it?
LOL. Yeah, you don't want to "overdo it" with too many servings of vegetables...
I didn't think that was how it was intended.
I think the point was that it's crazy to claim that it's expensive to eat healthfully based on a diet that compares getting most calories from fruit and veg (which are not particularly calorie dense, especially veg), in the most expensive option ("fresh" and out of season), plus maybe more expensive cuts of meat and compare that to something like a box of sugary cereal or, now, poptarts.
If you need to eat healthfully, you can do it with cheaper staple foods (stuff like dried beans, oats, potatoes), fewer (but still plenty) of vegetables or frozen veg and fruit (it's March, so most of the fruit I eat is frozen -- I like "fresh" veg so spring for them, but I don't pretend that's the only way to eat healthfully), and cheaper cuts of meat like chicken thighs with skin on, whole chickens, etc.
That someone would say it's more expensive to do that because a poptart is cheaper or a sugary cereal (as if anyone really thinks a poptart is a balanced meal) seems weird to me.
Now, if you can afford it and enjoy 10 servings of veg a day, I think that's fabulous and that's more like how I eat (and I don't think it's that expensive, but I eat in season when possible and now I supplement with frozen, do get things like potatoes and winter squash quite often, and avoid way overpriced things like grocery store organic and pre-cut). Yeah, a candy bar is cheaper than broccoli per calorie, but per calorie is a weird way to think of it, a candy bar is not a meal. (And again, I think that was the poster's point -- that you don't eat vegetables to get the bulk of your calories, but because they are important for nutrition, it is still assumed that you will be eating some foods as part of the overall diet that are quite low cal. Sure, some don't, but not because it's necessary for nutrition.)5 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »For the calorie amount fresh fruit and veg ARE more expensive. I hate how people say they aren't. If I buy some junk food donuts 1.69 (for pack of 6 at 320 cal per doughnut) and box of cereal (1.69 with 12 servings) that would easily last me 2 weeks of 500-600 calorie breakfasts. HOWEVER, if I buy 4 fresh bell peppers (4.00), one lb broccoli (2 bucks), one large tomato (2), I could eat ALL of that in ONE day and it wouldn't even amount to the same calorie amount of "fuel". So YES eating fresh fruit and veg is more expensive than eating junk because you have to buy A LOT more to get the same calorie amount of fuel.
No way. A few vegetables, some protein and a starch and you can feed yourself for a few days cooking one meal. Even if you buy the cheapest junk food out there you will not get the same nutritional bang for your buck. I wish the myth of "it's cheap to get fat" would die. Some things are very expensive, but seasonal vegetables or frozen vegetables are cheap almost everywhere. Canned vegetables are also an option. All of these are cheaper than a pop tart or hot pocket. I think it's an excuse people use either because they don't know how to cook or they want to keep eating junk and don't want to just admit that.
All of these are not cheaper. A box of poptarts run 1.67 at my local store and that would last a WEEK. For that amount I could get ONE tomato or one head of broccoli, which would just be a small component of ONE meal. I think it depends on location. I am picky about my veg and I don't like canned vegetables or cheap starches such as rice/beans/potatoes so when I make a meal, it is all veg and protein. I buy lettuce which is 2.99 and it lasts me only two salads worth. To eat a salad every day for lunch is quite expensive. I have to buy the lettuce, tomato (2), onions (1), cucumber (99c), radishes (2), green pepper (1), etc it all adds up to about 5 per salad when I figured it out, which is 25 bucks per week. Alternately I could have a hot pocket each day for lunch for the same calories and it would only cost me 7.50 for the whole week.
Just an example, so I don't think you can say it IS just as cheap to eat healthy. It CAN be, but many people such as myself are picky and do not want to eat plain rice and canned vegetables. I also dislike the taste of frozen vegetables. They aren't the same as fresh. So unfortunately with my preferences it is more expensive, although that is my fault LOL. I don't use it as an excuse because my grocery bill is quite high. I do choose to eat mostly vegetables because it's what I enjoy, I just am not happy about it.
It says so much that poptarts are considered a meal. People look to cheap process food before wholesome ingredients. There are many blogs out there where people have set about demonstrating that you can eat well and cheaply -- even on food stamps. However, I acknowledge that it takes desire, time and resource to shop, plan and cook whole ingredients. Desire, time and resources that not everyone has.
There are a number of resources out there for those who want to try and eat whole foods on a restricted budget. These resources help you with planning. You just have to find the time to cook. You also have to be open to leftovers and using ingredients to the fullest as our great-grandparents did -- chicken to eat, leftovers, carcass for soup, etc.
Eat Well on $4/day
https://cookbooks.leannebrown.com/good-and-cheap.pdf
Article about the book http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/27/426761037/cheap-eats-a-cookbook-for-eating-well-on-a-food-stamp-budget
7 Of The Best Food Blogs For Eating On A Budget
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/11/budget-food-blogs_n_6135100.html
There are many more resources out there to be discovered.
I think there is the problem, not necessarily in OP's case but pertaining to eating healthy while under the poverty line, where what people think is affordable is actually extremely far from being affordable. For example, in my search for budget friendly recipes I've come across so many food blogs that consider $10 a day to be cheap, and that's just so lavishly unbelievable for so many people. Not everyone who needs food stamps has them; also the blogs I've seen "demonstrating" that you can eat healthily on a food-stamp budget usually don't make enough food for a person to live on (and for someone not trying to lose weight, 1300 calories is not enough to be healthy long-term). Honestly, when I was struggling, even $4 a day was more than twice of what I had for food. My point is that it's often not even a matter of "desire, time and resources." It's a matter of choosing between starvation and obesity, with nothing in between and malnourishment either way.
For the record, a sleeve of poptarts is about 400 calories, which is a meal.8
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