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I will weigh in on this.
First let me say that I will express my own opinion and will no doubt incur the consternation, if not the wrath, of those who insist that CICO is the ONLY watchword and that EVERYthing else is...what's the word they use?..."WOO"? Whatever...
There has been a lot of research done over the last century or so on fasting and it's effect on us, perhaps the most interesting of which is the idea that caloric restriction in the form of fasting may be a major factor in longevity. No, I'm am not going to cite any studies here; go look it up yourself.
When we were hunter-gatherers, there were lots of times when neither the hunting nor the gathering went all that well, and we ate in a boom/bust cycle that included a lot of hunger, especially in winter. There are even WOEs that are based on this kind of cycle. Again, look it up yourself.
In 2012, I was at the heaviest weight I have ever been, 323 pounds, and I was miserable. My eating was out of control and I was well on my way to any number of disastrous health issues. Here's what I did:
I started in the last week of June (Spring and Summer are YANG seasons; once again, look it up). I bought the book 'The Master Cleanse' by Stanley Burroughs (SBN-13: 9781607966074), and READ IT. If you decide to do this cleanse, please read this book along with anything else you reference.
I did the RECOMMENDED 10-day Master Cleanse. Here's how it went:
Day 0 - evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed
Day 1 - all day drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; felt hungry but not awful
Days 2 thru 5 - morning drink a liter of warm salt water, then flush for 30-60 minutes; drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; these were pretty rough days as I withdrew from caffeine, nicotine and sugar...Days 3 and 4, thought I was gonna die! Day 5 felt better...
Days 6 thru 10 - same regimen as Days 2 thru 5, but felt awesome! No real hunger to speak of, and a sense of lightness both in my digestive system as well as my mental clarity...amazing.
Days 2 thru 5 were slightly challenging insofar as the salt water flush tied me up for about an hour each morning, but after that it was through me in 15 or 20 minutes and I could function normally. I will confess that I did not work during this; I took 7 or 8 vacation days, which certainly made it easier. Not sure anyone would want to do this and try to maintain a normal work schedule. The commute might prove to be an issue!
On Day 11 I began the reintroduction of solid food in a slow and methodical way, beginning with citrus fruits and progressively adding other fruits and vegetables back into my diet. I remained completely vegan until mid-September, when I reintroduced eggs. I did not resume eating meat again until Thanksgiving dinner, when I had a small portion of turkey. Thereafter I slowly resumed meat-eating again. I continued to follow what was essentially a hybrid of Atkins, Paleo and LCHF...a wide variety of meat, including wild game, fruits and vegetables, mainly seasonal and raw, and nuts and seeds. My one concession was a minimal amount of dairy in the form of heavy cream in my coffee and an occasional slice of artisanal cheese, usually buffalo, goat or sheep.
I lost a total of 75 pounds, down to 248, by the end of 2013.
To OP: I hope this helps. Feel free to add me as a friend if you like, and you can ask me anything. That goes for anyone else, too.
What I will NOT do is engage in debate over the efficacy or detriment of fasting, or any other WOE, for that matter. I do me, you do you. Best and good luck to all...6 -
vikinglander wrote: »I will weigh in on this.
First let me say that I will express my own opinion and will no doubt incur the consternation, if not the wrath, of those who insist that CICO is the ONLY watchword and that EVERYthing else is...what's the word they use?..."WOO"? Whatever...
There has been a lot of research done over the last century or so on fasting and it's effect on us, perhaps the most interesting of which is the idea that caloric restriction in the form of fasting may be a major factor in longevity. No, I'm am not going to cite any studies here; go look it up yourself.
When we were hunter-gatherers, there were lots of times when neither the hunting nor the gathering went all that well, and we ate in a boom/bust cycle that included a lot of hunger, especially in winter. There are even WOEs that are based on this kind of cycle. Again, look it up yourself.
In 2012, I was at the heaviest weight I have ever been, 323 pounds, and I was miserable. My eating was out of control and I was well on my way to any number of disastrous health issues. Here's what I did:
I started in the last week of June (Spring and Summer are YANG seasons; once again, look it up). I bought the book 'The Master Cleanse' by Stanley Burroughs (SBN-13: 9781607966074), and READ IT. If you decide to do this cleanse, please read this book along with anything else you reference.
I did the RECOMMENDED 10-day Master Cleanse. Here's how it went:
Day 0 - evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed
Day 1 - all day drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; felt hungry but not awful
Days 2 thru 5 - morning drink a liter of warm salt water, then flush for 30-60 minutes; drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; these were pretty rough days as I withdrew from caffeine, nicotine and sugar...Days 3 and 4, thought I was gonna die! Day 5 felt better...
Days 6 thru 10 - same regimen as Days 2 thru 5, but felt awesome! No real hunger to speak of, and a sense of lightness both in my digestive system as well as my mental clarity...amazing.
Days 2 thru 5 were slightly challenging insofar as the salt water flush tied me up for about an hour each morning, but after that it was through me in 15 or 20 minutes and I could function normally. I will confess that I did not work during this; I took 7 or 8 vacation days, which certainly made it easier. Not sure anyone would want to do this and try to maintain a normal work schedule. The commute might prove to be an issue!
On Day 11 I began the reintroduction of solid food in a slow and methodical way, beginning with citrus fruits and progressively adding other fruits and vegetables back into my diet. I remained completely vegan until mid-September, when I reintroduced eggs. I did not resume eating meat again until Thanksgiving dinner, when I had a small portion of turkey. Thereafter I slowly resumed meat-eating again. I continued to follow what was essentially a hybrid of Atkins, Paleo and LCHF...a wide variety of meat, including wild game, fruits and vegetables, mainly seasonal and raw, and nuts and seeds. My one concession was a minimal amount of dairy in the form of heavy cream in my coffee and an occasional slice of artisanal cheese, usually buffalo, goat or sheep.
I lost a total of 75 pounds, down to 248, by the end of 2013.
To OP: I hope this helps. Feel free to add me as a friend if you like, and you can ask me anything. That goes for anyone else, too.
What I will NOT do is engage in debate over the efficacy or detriment of fasting, or any other WOE, for that matter. I do me, you do you. Best and good luck to all...
Fasting is one thing but abusing laxatives is another. I would never ever recommend a diet that pushes drinking senna.11 -
singingflutelady wrote: »
Fasting is one thing but abusing laxatives is another. I would never ever recommend a diet that pushes drinking senna.
The use of a single nightly cup of senna tea, for 11 days, is only intended to aid the action of peristalsis in the absence of solid food and fiber, and does not, in my opinion, constitute abuse.3 -
vikinglander wrote: »I will weigh in on this.
First let me say that I will express my own opinion and will no doubt incur the consternation, if not the wrath, of those who insist that CICO is the ONLY watchword and that EVERYthing else is...what's the word they use?..."WOO"? Whatever...
There has been a lot of research done over the last century or so on fasting and it's effect on us, perhaps the most interesting of which is the idea that caloric restriction in the form of fasting may be a major factor in longevity. No, I'm am not going to cite any studies here; go look it up yourself.
When we were hunter-gatherers, there were lots of times when neither the hunting nor the gathering went all that well, and we ate in a boom/bust cycle that included a lot of hunger, especially in winter. There are even WOEs that are based on this kind of cycle. Again, look it up yourself.
In 2012, I was at the heaviest weight I have ever been, 323 pounds, and I was miserable. My eating was out of control and I was well on my way to any number of disastrous health issues. Here's what I did:
I started in the last week of June (Spring and Summer are YANG seasons; once again, look it up). I bought the book 'The Master Cleanse' by Stanley Burroughs (SBN-13: 9781607966074), and READ IT. If you decide to do this cleanse, please read this book along with anything else you reference.
I did the RECOMMENDED 10-day Master Cleanse. Here's how it went:
Day 0 - evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed
Day 1 - all day drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; felt hungry but not awful
Days 2 thru 5 - morning drink a liter of warm salt water, then flush for 30-60 minutes; drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; these were pretty rough days as I withdrew from caffeine, nicotine and sugar...Days 3 and 4, thought I was gonna die! Day 5 felt better...
Days 6 thru 10 - same regimen as Days 2 thru 5, but felt awesome! No real hunger to speak of, and a sense of lightness both in my digestive system as well as my mental clarity...amazing.
Days 2 thru 5 were slightly challenging insofar as the salt water flush tied me up for about an hour each morning, but after that it was through me in 15 or 20 minutes and I could function normally. I will confess that I did not work during this; I took 7 or 8 vacation days, which certainly made it easier. Not sure anyone would want to do this and try to maintain a normal work schedule. The commute might prove to be an issue!
On Day 11 I began the reintroduction of solid food in a slow and methodical way, beginning with citrus fruits and progressively adding other fruits and vegetables back into my diet. I remained completely vegan until mid-September, when I reintroduced eggs. I did not resume eating meat again until Thanksgiving dinner, when I had a small portion of turkey. Thereafter I slowly resumed meat-eating again. I continued to follow what was essentially a hybrid of Atkins, Paleo and LCHF...a wide variety of meat, including wild game, fruits and vegetables, mainly seasonal and raw, and nuts and seeds. My one concession was a minimal amount of dairy in the form of heavy cream in my coffee and an occasional slice of artisanal cheese, usually buffalo, goat or sheep.
I lost a total of 75 pounds, down to 248, by the end of 2013.
To OP: I hope this helps. Feel free to add me as a friend if you like, and you can ask me anything. That goes for anyone else, too.
What I will NOT do is engage in debate over the efficacy or detriment of fasting, or any other WOE, for that matter. I do me, you do you. Best and good luck to all...
Just stop.
https://mybeautytea.com/why-you-need-to-stop-drinking-detox-teas/6 -
Fasting for 11 days, causes weight loss. Well I never.
Fasting, cleansing, detoxes and laxatives sounds like a miserable way to lose a few lbs of water weight and LBM.
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vikinglander wrote: »I will weigh in on this.
First let me say that I will express my own opinion and will no doubt incur the consternation, if not the wrath, of those who insist that CICO is the ONLY watchword and that EVERYthing else is...what's the word they use?..."WOO"? Whatever...
There has been a lot of research done over the last century or so on fasting and it's effect on us, perhaps the most interesting of which is the idea that caloric restriction in the form of fasting may be a major factor in longevity. No, I'm am not going to cite any studies here; go look it up yourself.
When we were hunter-gatherers, there were lots of times when neither the hunting nor the gathering went all that well, and we ate in a boom/bust cycle that included a lot of hunger, especially in winter. There are even WOEs that are based on this kind of cycle. Again, look it up yourself.
In 2012, I was at the heaviest weight I have ever been, 323 pounds, and I was miserable. My eating was out of control and I was well on my way to any number of disastrous health issues. Here's what I did:
I started in the last week of June (Spring and Summer are YANG seasons; once again, look it up). I bought the book 'The Master Cleanse' by Stanley Burroughs (SBN-13: 9781607966074), and READ IT. If you decide to do this cleanse, please read this book along with anything else you reference.
I did the RECOMMENDED 10-day Master Cleanse. Here's how it went:
Day 0 - evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed
Day 1 - all day drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; felt hungry but not awful
Days 2 thru 5 - morning drink a liter of warm salt water, then flush for 30-60 minutes; drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; these were pretty rough days as I withdrew from caffeine, nicotine and sugar...Days 3 and 4, thought I was gonna die! Day 5 felt better...
Days 6 thru 10 - same regimen as Days 2 thru 5, but felt awesome! No real hunger to speak of, and a sense of lightness both in my digestive system as well as my mental clarity...amazing.
Days 2 thru 5 were slightly challenging insofar as the salt water flush tied me up for about an hour each morning, but after that it was through me in 15 or 20 minutes and I could function normally. I will confess that I did not work during this; I took 7 or 8 vacation days, which certainly made it easier. Not sure anyone would want to do this and try to maintain a normal work schedule. The commute might prove to be an issue!
On Day 11 I began the reintroduction of solid food in a slow and methodical way, beginning with citrus fruits and progressively adding other fruits and vegetables back into my diet. I remained completely vegan until mid-September, when I reintroduced eggs. I did not resume eating meat again until Thanksgiving dinner, when I had a small portion of turkey. Thereafter I slowly resumed meat-eating again. I continued to follow what was essentially a hybrid of Atkins, Paleo and LCHF...a wide variety of meat, including wild game, fruits and vegetables, mainly seasonal and raw, and nuts and seeds. My one concession was a minimal amount of dairy in the form of heavy cream in my coffee and an occasional slice of artisanal cheese, usually buffalo, goat or sheep.
I lost a total of 75 pounds, down to 248, by the end of 2013.
To OP: I hope this helps. Feel free to add me as a friend if you like, and you can ask me anything. That goes for anyone else, too.
What I will NOT do is engage in debate over the efficacy or detriment of fasting, or any other WOE, for that matter. I do me, you do you. Best and good luck to all...
I mean the people above of me covered the woo... But at the end of the day it's still CICO whether you counted the calories or not. You still ate less than you burned, that's why you lost weight. If you take money out of your bank account with out looking at the balance, there is still going to be less money in there. There are different ways to take money out of your account, just like there are different diets, but at the end of the day there is still less money in there, whether you took it out at an ATM, from the teller at the bank, wrote somebody a check, or did cash back at the store.
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DETOXES & CLEANSES
Full Disclosure : I stole this from another MFP member a few years ago and I have posted it a few times and will continue to do so as long as I still see "Magic Pill" posts.
The body’s own detox system
We tend to forget that the body is equipped with a detoxification system of its own, which includes the following:
The skin. The main function of the body’s largest organ is to provide a barrier against harmful substances, from bacteria and viruses to heavy metals and chemical toxins.
The respiratory system. Fine hairs inside the nose trap dirt and other large particles that may be inhaled. Smaller particles that make it to the lungs are expelled from the airways in mucus.
The immune system. This exquisitely orchestrated network of cells and molecules is designed to recognize foreign substances and eliminate them from the body.
The intestines. Peyer’s patches — lymph nodes in the small intestine — screen out parasites and other foreign substances before nutrients are absorbed into the blood from the colon.
The liver. Acting as the body’s principal filter, the liver produces a family of proteins called metallothioneins. Metallothioneins neutralize harmful metals like lead, cadmium, and mercury to prepare for their elimination from the body. Liver cells also produce groups of enzymes that regulate the metabolism of drugs and are an important part of the body’s defense against harmful chemicals and other toxins.
The kidneys. The fact that urine tests are used to screen for drugs and toxins is a testament to the kidneys' remarkable efficiency in filtering out waste substances and moving them out of the body6 -
vikinglander wrote: »I will weigh in on this.
First let me say that I will express my own opinion and will no doubt incur the consternation, if not the wrath, of those who insist that CICO is the ONLY watchword and that EVERYthing else is...what's the word they use?..."WOO"? Whatever...
There has been a lot of research done over the last century or so on fasting and it's effect on us, perhaps the most interesting of which is the idea that caloric restriction in the form of fasting may be a major factor in longevity. No, I'm am not going to cite any studies here; go look it up yourself.
When we were hunter-gatherers, there were lots of times when neither the hunting nor the gathering went all that well, and we ate in a boom/bust cycle that included a lot of hunger, especially in winter. There are even WOEs that are based on this kind of cycle. Again, look it up yourself.
In 2012, I was at the heaviest weight I have ever been, 323 pounds, and I was miserable. My eating was out of control and I was well on my way to any number of disastrous health issues. Here's what I did:
I started in the last week of June (Spring and Summer are YANG seasons; once again, look it up). I bought the book 'The Master Cleanse' by Stanley Burroughs (SBN-13: 9781607966074), and READ IT. If you decide to do this cleanse, please read this book along with anything else you reference.
I did the RECOMMENDED 10-day Master Cleanse. Here's how it went:
Day 0 - evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed
Day 1 - all day drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; felt hungry but not awful
Days 2 thru 5 - morning drink a liter of warm salt water, then flush for 30-60 minutes; drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; these were pretty rough days as I withdrew from caffeine, nicotine and sugar...Days 3 and 4, thought I was gonna die! Day 5 felt better...
Days 6 thru 10 - same regimen as Days 2 thru 5, but felt awesome! No real hunger to speak of, and a sense of lightness both in my digestive system as well as my mental clarity...amazing.
Days 2 thru 5 were slightly challenging insofar as the salt water flush tied me up for about an hour each morning, but after that it was through me in 15 or 20 minutes and I could function normally. I will confess that I did not work during this; I took 7 or 8 vacation days, which certainly made it easier. Not sure anyone would want to do this and try to maintain a normal work schedule. The commute might prove to be an issue!
On Day 11 I began the reintroduction of solid food in a slow and methodical way, beginning with citrus fruits and progressively adding other fruits and vegetables back into my diet. I remained completely vegan until mid-September, when I reintroduced eggs. I did not resume eating meat again until Thanksgiving dinner, when I had a small portion of turkey. Thereafter I slowly resumed meat-eating again. I continued to follow what was essentially a hybrid of Atkins, Paleo and LCHF...a wide variety of meat, including wild game, fruits and vegetables, mainly seasonal and raw, and nuts and seeds. My one concession was a minimal amount of dairy in the form of heavy cream in my coffee and an occasional slice of artisanal cheese, usually buffalo, goat or sheep.
I lost a total of 75 pounds, down to 248, by the end of 2013.
To OP: I hope this helps. Feel free to add me as a friend if you like, and you can ask me anything. That goes for anyone else, too.
What I will NOT do is engage in debate over the efficacy or detriment of fasting, or any other WOE, for that matter. I do me, you do you. Best and good luck to all...
Basically you presented your opinion (see bolded), told US to look up the research, and then effectively put your hands over your ears and started yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear you!" Not a very effective way of communicating.
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LeanButNotMean44 wrote: »Basically you presented your opinion (see bolded), told US to look up the research, and then effectively put your hands over your ears and started yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear you!" Not a very effective way of communicating.
I'm going to say that I don't think anything more needs to be said about the one post. @LeanButNotMean44 has covered it all and the less said, the better.
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Seems like this is making the rounds again. Search it on the boards. To save time the bottom line is to just avoid. Maintain a calorie deficit, weigh your food and logging everything you consume.2
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vikinglander wrote: »I will weigh in on this.
First let me say that I will express my own opinion and will no doubt incur the consternation, if not the wrath, of those who insist that CICO is the ONLY watchword and that EVERYthing else is...what's the word they use?..."WOO"? Whatever...
There has been a lot of research done over the last century or so on fasting and it's effect on us, perhaps the most interesting of which is the idea that caloric restriction in the form of fasting may be a major factor in longevity. No, I'm am not going to cite any studies here; go look it up yourself.
When we were hunter-gatherers, there were lots of times when neither the hunting nor the gathering went all that well, and we ate in a boom/bust cycle that included a lot of hunger, especially in winter. There are even WOEs that are based on this kind of cycle. Again, look it up yourself.
In 2012, I was at the heaviest weight I have ever been, 323 pounds, and I was miserable. My eating was out of control and I was well on my way to any number of disastrous health issues. Here's what I did:
I started in the last week of June (Spring and Summer are YANG seasons; once again, look it up). I bought the book 'The Master Cleanse' by Stanley Burroughs (SBN-13: 9781607966074), and READ IT. If you decide to do this cleanse, please read this book along with anything else you reference.
I did the RECOMMENDED 10-day Master Cleanse. Here's how it went:
Day 0 - evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed
Day 1 - all day drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; felt hungry but not awful
Days 2 thru 5 - morning drink a liter of warm salt water, then flush for 30-60 minutes; drink lemonade as much as I wanted; evening drink a cup of senna tea before bed; these were pretty rough days as I withdrew from caffeine, nicotine and sugar...Days 3 and 4, thought I was gonna die! Day 5 felt better...
Days 6 thru 10 - same regimen as Days 2 thru 5, but felt awesome! No real hunger to speak of, and a sense of lightness both in my digestive system as well as my mental clarity...amazing.
Days 2 thru 5 were slightly challenging insofar as the salt water flush tied me up for about an hour each morning, but after that it was through me in 15 or 20 minutes and I could function normally. I will confess that I did not work during this; I took 7 or 8 vacation days, which certainly made it easier. Not sure anyone would want to do this and try to maintain a normal work schedule. The commute might prove to be an issue!
On Day 11 I began the reintroduction of solid food in a slow and methodical way, beginning with citrus fruits and progressively adding other fruits and vegetables back into my diet. I remained completely vegan until mid-September, when I reintroduced eggs. I did not resume eating meat again until Thanksgiving dinner, when I had a small portion of turkey. Thereafter I slowly resumed meat-eating again. I continued to follow what was essentially a hybrid of Atkins, Paleo and LCHF...a wide variety of meat, including wild game, fruits and vegetables, mainly seasonal and raw, and nuts and seeds. My one concession was a minimal amount of dairy in the form of heavy cream in my coffee and an occasional slice of artisanal cheese, usually buffalo, goat or sheep.
I lost a total of 75 pounds, down to 248, by the end of 2013.
To OP: I hope this helps. Feel free to add me as a friend if you like, and you can ask me anything. That goes for anyone else, too.
What I will NOT do is engage in debate over the efficacy or detriment of fasting, or any other WOE, for that matter. I do me, you do you. Best and good luck to all...
Nothing wrong with fasting. Plenty of people practice IF. The problem with what you are recommending is laxative use for weight loss. Senna and ingesting salt water are not healthy ways to lose weight and shouldn't be advocated. This sounds like torture. Why not just eat within a calorie deficit?7 -
My last word on this thread is this:
The part you missed is "I do me, you do you". And for the record, I did not advocate or recommend anything; I simply related my own experience. Do your own research and make your own road.0 -
vikinglander wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »
Fasting is one thing but abusing laxatives is another. I would never ever recommend a diet that pushes drinking senna.
The use of a single nightly cup of senna tea, for 11 days, is only intended to aid the action of peristalsis in the absence of solid food and fiber, and does not, in my opinion, constitute abuse.
If you drank it when you weren't having trouble with BMs, you were abusing it.12 -
Cleanses, detoxes = bullcrap. But fasts do have some promising science behind their health-promoting effects. And obviously you don't need to take a laxative for fasting.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1934590914001519
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2016/press.html0 -
I tried it once. I lasted one day. I was starving and it gave me diarrhea so bad I had to leave work early. I've known a couple of people who did it for two weeks and ended up with serious stomach issues (bacterial infections and parasites) because the natural defenses their gut were messed up after the cleanse and unable to fight off these infections. Don't do it. Cleanses are a scam.6
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The liver and kidneys are pretty amazing, just eat a a deficit. You don't need more than those organs to cleanse. Don't torture yourself.4
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I did. Doctor approved for a colonoscopy, only for a day.
I got a nice nap afterwards. Why anyone would do this for 10 days when it's not a medical necessity is beyond me.4 -
vikinglander wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »
Fasting is one thing but abusing laxatives is another. I would never ever recommend a diet that pushes drinking senna.
The use of a single nightly cup of senna tea, for 11 days, is only intended to aid the action of peristalsis in the absence of solid food and fiber, and does not, in my opinion, constitute abuse.
Deliberately putting your body into peristalsis to where you need a laxative is never a good idea.7
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