No need to eat 'clean'?
Jayj180894
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I see on here that it's ALL down to calorie deficit. So in actual fact you could have a chocolate bar for breakfast, a chip butty for lunch, and biscuits for tea and as long as you are in your deficit you will still lose weight? I haven't lost weight in like 3 weeks I'm not panicked as i know weight loss isn't linear but i have been eating more junk food lately and wondered if that is to do with it at all? I'm staying in my deficit i use food scales. If that's not the reason the only over reason i haven't lost is because, i am eating ALOT of salt! Ive just been craving it like mad! Like sprinkling it on my toast, my salad, everything! Or the fact that I'm on my period so could be weighing a little more
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If you changed the way you eat, and you are eating more sodium, you most likely are retaining water weight.5
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Oh and i started the contraceptive pill again last month so maybe that could be it. I've not gained just stayed the same0
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If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.1 -
as far as weight loss is concerned, calories are king and the source of the calories does not matter... nutrition and health are a completely different matter.7
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If you changed the way you eat, and you are eating more sodium, you most likely are retaining water weight.
^^^ This. For me, sodium is my weight arch-nemesis. When I have high sodium days, I retain a lot of water. I actually track that to my weigh-ins, so it's pretty accurate. And TOM of month can definitely mess with the scale. Give it some time. Maybe drink more water and try to cut back on the salt when you can.
ETA: Yes, technically you can eat whatever you'd like as long as you eat less than you burn. But for nutrition/health purposes, people chose many times to get a decent balance of macros.0 -
So if i am eating a lot of sodium rich foods i wont be losing fat?0
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Google the Twinkie diet.
Obviously not recommended but a really good experiment showing it's not about the food you eat but the quantity when it comes to weight loss.
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Jayj180894 wrote: »I see on here that it's ALL down to calorie deficit. So in actual fact you could have a chocolate bar for breakfast, a chip butty for lunch, and biscuits for tea and as long as you are in your deficit you will still lose weight? I haven't lost weight in like 3 weeks I'm not panicked as i know weight loss isn't linear but i have been eating more junk food lately and wondered if that is to do with it at all? I'm staying in my deficit i use food scales. If that's not the reason the only over reason i haven't lost is because, i am eating ALOT of salt! Ive just been craving it like mad! Like sprinkling it on my toast, my salad, everything! Or the fact that I'm on my period so could be weighing a little more
Just because people say you can include chocolate, chips, biscuits, etc., does not mean that anyone here says that's all you should eat!
Rather, treats like those you mentioned can be included as part of an overall healthy and well-balanced diet. So, if I make nutritionally and calorically sound choices during my day, if there's calories left over and I feel like some chocolate? Yup, git in mah belleh! LOL.
Excess salt can make you retain water for a few days, but that is not to be confused with fat weight gain. Water weight gain is temporary and will dissipate in a few days.
And yes, TOM can (temporarily, again!) add 5 or even 10 lbs to your weight.7 -
Jayj180894 wrote: »So if i am eating a lot of sodium rich foods i wont be losing fat?
You will still be losing fat, but your weight may stay the same or even go up some if you are retaining water4 -
Jayj180894 wrote: »I see on here that it's ALL down to calorie deficit. So in actual fact you could have a chocolate bar for breakfast, a chip butty for lunch, and biscuits for tea and as long as you are in your deficit you will still lose weight? I haven't lost weight in like 3 weeks I'm not panicked as i know weight loss isn't linear but i have been eating more junk food lately and wondered if that is to do with it at all? I'm staying in my deficit i use food scales. If that's not the reason the only over reason i haven't lost is because, i am eating ALOT of salt! Ive just been craving it like mad! Like sprinkling it on my toast, my salad, everything! Or the fact that I'm on my period so could be weighing a little more
Theoretically I would lose weight. But in actuality, this diet would not satiate me at all and since I have access to other food, I would eat it.
In addition to whole foods keeping me fuller, I also feel better when my diet predominantly consists of them.9 -
Jayj180894 wrote: »So if i am eating a lot of sodium rich foods i wont be losing fat?
Water retention from the salt could mask any fat loss. It wouldn't directly cause you not to lose.4 -
Is the only alternative to eating clean eating junk food? Nothing against junk, but I prepare home cooked meals without eating "clean". I use things like canned tomatoes and beans and some convenience ingredients but I'm pretty sure it's not junk.8
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Just because people say you can include chocolate, chips, biscuits, etc., does not mean that anyone here says that's all you should[/quote]
That's not all I'm eating lol was just an example, i tend to mix up my diet with lots of healthy stuff! Just i like to add chocolate hehe1 -
lthames0810 wrote: »Is the only alternative to eating clean eating junk food? Nothing against junk, but I prepare home cooked meals without eating "clean". I use things like canned tomatoes and beans and some convenience ingredients but I'm pretty sure it's not junk.
It seems like it:).
I think that's why some have an issue with the term. There are so many definitions.0 -
On my tablet! Won't quote lol0
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I'm not eating junk food constantly it was an example, would i lose IF. Sorry for any confusion!1
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Jayj180894 wrote: »I'm not eating junk food constantly it was an example, would i lose IF. Sorry for any confusion!
Yes you will lose IF you eat some "junk" food IF you are in a deficit.
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lthames0810 wrote: »Is the only alternative to eating clean eating junk food? Nothing against junk, but I prepare home cooked meals without eating "clean". I use things like canned tomatoes and beans and some convenience ingredients but I'm pretty sure it's not junk.
Agreed!
The issue I have with eating "clean" (whatever that means) is that, by definition, the opposite has to be eating "dirty."
There's nothing dirty or unwholesome about a piece of chocolate or a can of tomatoes or any other 'processed' food. Imo it's become a moralistic judgement as opposed to anything remotely connected to reality or weight management.8 -
Many of us lose weight with a diet that includes chocolate.1
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That's why I'm not particularly bothered by no loss as i AM eating in a deficit no matter what i eat0
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Dirty, clean, a mix of the two, however you wish to eat is up to you but sodium and higher than normal carbs will cause fluctuations on the scale. Just pay them no mind and keep on in your deficit.3
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I only skimmed the thread, but I didn't see this mentioned...
Fat and weight loss should be looked at with a long term perspective. What happens day to day doesn't matter and does not at all reflect overall progress. This is part of the reason why I'm such a big fan of trend lines when looking at weight loss progress.
You could eat clean, eat in a deficit today, and weigh in at xyz lbs. Tomorrow you could still eat in deficit, but eat a significantly higher amount of carbs and sodium, then weigh in up 4lbs. Did you gain 4lbs? No. You're just holding more water. That's the way it works. Diets vary. Not to mention things like hormones and DOMS and any of a dozen other things that impact scale weight.
Deficit = weight loss. Period. People get bogged down when they don't realize what the number on the scale represents.2 -
Jayj180894 wrote: »I see on here that it's ALL down to calorie deficit. So in actual fact you could have a chocolate bar for breakfast, a chip butty for lunch, and biscuits for tea and as long as you are in your deficit you will still lose weight? I haven't lost weight in like 3 weeks I'm not panicked as i know weight loss isn't linear but i have been eating more junk food lately and wondered if that is to do with it at all? I'm staying in my deficit i use food scales. If that's not the reason the only over reason i haven't lost is because, i am eating ALOT of salt! Ive just been craving it like mad! Like sprinkling it on my toast, my salad, everything! Or the fact that I'm on my period so could be weighing a little more
All of the bolded can cause bloating and weight gain. But that doesn't mean fat gain, or that you haven't even lost fat. The scale measures all of you, not just your fat.3 -
I am bad at pure moderation. So I often barbell it... I get ~800 calories/day from highly nutritionally dense foods that I like (ensuring a minimum level of fiber, bulk >100g protein, fish fats, a little dairy, and all vitamins and minerals). With plenty of room left for whatever I feel like, the rest of my daily intake can fall anywhere between more nutritional foods that I desire, or a really sizeable amount of chocolate and alcohol, while remaining in deficit. I enjoy that flexibility.
Even if I threw a big mac and medium chips with a couple of kinder eggs onto my basic diet every single day, I'd remain in a deficit on a nutritionally rich diet (excepting those trans fats).
Yes, you will lose weight on anything so long as you're burning more than you're taking in. Balancing macros does matter for composition of your weight, and balancing nutrients does matter for health. But that weight will come down on 1,000 cals of twinkies.0 -
Jayj180894 wrote: »I see on here that it's ALL down to calorie deficit. So in actual fact you could have a chocolate bar for breakfast, a chip butty for lunch, and biscuits for tea and as long as you are in your deficit you will still lose weight?...
Yes.
But:
1) Your nutrition would be sorely lacking (both micro and macronutrients).
2) You'd probably be insatiably hungry all the time.
3) It could (and probably would) have an adverse effect upon your energy levels, workout performance and body composition goals.
Calories are king when it comes to weight loss. That's a scientifically proven fact. But that's speaking purely in terms of weight loss. When speaking of overall health/nutrition, satiety/ dietary adherence, workout performance, body composition, etc., it's a good idea to eat a balanced, well-rounded diet with appropriate calorie and macro/micronutrient goals. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with eating whatever you want in moderation, but "moderation" is the key.5 -
xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal
Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster. 0 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.13 -
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AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
Oh good grief. No, no, no and um, no.7 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »xchocolategirl wrote: »If you're eating food that's high in sodium that could also be a part of the culprit. However, you are right you can eat food that is a bit higher in sugar, or just eat snack products for your meals and still lose weight. This will work as longer as you're in deficit, but eating sodium laden foods won't be helping you with your weight loss. I tend to either gain weight or stay at the same weight when I consume a lot of sodium.
Also I've read posts about people gaining weight from using birth control; however, read the side effects to see if it's listed.
I can totally appreciate your stance and your comment, however, unfortunately all calories are not created equal Case in point, calories that are highly concentrated in sodium will prevent you from losing weight. Similarly, products high in sugar make it hard for your body to burn fat. Although most people will say CICO is the only thing that matters unfortunately it is simply not the full story. Not all calories are eliminated/burned the same. Highly processed food get stored as fat more easily, whereas healthy food (fruits- which has natural sugar sources, vegetables, lean protein, eggs, nuts) your body is able to recognize and process alot faster.
All 100% incorrect. I don't even know where to begin because that information is errant from start to finish, but the main fact which covers most of it is that there is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit. Period.
So one can eat a diet extremely high in sodium, stay within their calorie count and still lose weight. I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, you will have an extremely hard time losing... 100% fact.0
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