To keto or not to keto???

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  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,868 Member
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    AnvilHead wrote: »
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    EbonyDahlia wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    EbonyDahlia wrote: »
    As a 4 year veteran eating Keto, I can tell you that you still need to eat a calorie controlled diet. If you eat too much you won't lose weight, it's not magic. Having said that, what Keto does do is allow you to stick to your calorie limit easily, as you don't get that gnawing hunger anymore. Protein and fat keep you satisfied, and do not stimulate insulin production which is what gives you that hungry feeling. I tried to control calories for 20 years unsuccessfully, but on Keto I control food, not the other way around.

    Other benefits. Reduced migraines. Reduced joint inflammation. Reversed type 2 diabetes. No bloating. No hunger headache or shakes because I haven't eaten. Clearer thinking and more energy. Better mood, has almost completely smoothed out my anxiety and depression.

    Things to note. If you do decide to try it, the first week or two can be hard until your body switches from sugar burning to fat burning. Eat pickles, have lots of salt. A magnesium supplement won't hurt (I still take one a day now). Once you get past this period and settle in you'll feel loads better, and your hunger should taper off. Generally with Keto you would eat under 20g carbs a day, hit your protein goal and the rest from fat up to your calorie target. Good calculator here https://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/ and you can adjust your macros in MFP under goals.

    Keto is not hard to stick to, once you get your thinking around "I don't eat sugar, bread, pasta, rice, grain, potatoes" similar to how a vegetarian doesn't eat meat. I have a varied diet of foods I love, eating out is not a problem, nor is snacking or deserts. There are a million recipes out there that can replace almost anything carby. This site is great https://www.ruled.me/

    You'll likely lose a bit more weight in the first week or two (water weight) but then it'll settle down to a smaller amount.

    Finally, join this group http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group there are thousands of Ketoers on there, ask all of your questions, read the pinned posts.

    I'd say that's a very individual thing...

    What is an individual thing exactly? Not a very specific comment. If by individual you mean thousands of people just like me have experienced the same benefits, then I guess you're right. Just like those of you who claim to be able to eat carbs all day without an insulin response causing hunger are individuals.

    Here's what you said...
    what Keto does do is allow you to stick to your calorie limit easily, as you don't get that gnawing hunger anymore.

    As if this is a universal phenomena. It is not...it is an individual thing. Not everyone is satiated with high fat eating. Your above quote doesn't say anything about "for me" or "for some people"...it states that "ket allows you to stick to your calorie limit easily, as you don't get that gnawing hunger anymore"...as if it's applicable to all.

    Also, who said anything about eating carbs all day...it's always the same with your types...it's one end of the spectrum or the other...not everyone and everything is to the extreme that you folks seem to take things. There's this huge...massive middle ground.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excluding-the-middle.html/

    I like that...basically how I feel most days around here...and with politics, etc.
  • TejahBee
    TejahBee Posts: 23 Member
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    I do keto, and so does my fellow. He about 80 pounds doing it.
  • JohnnyLowCarb
    JohnnyLowCarb Posts: 418 Member
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    filbo132 wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
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    leanjogreen18 wrote: »
    A lot of people have great success with Keto, especially with certain medical issues. I believe initial weight loss is a little faster but it averages out after 6 months or so.

    If your deficit is at 1200 calories, then you will lose weight at the same rate in the long run, regardless if your doing keto, IIFYM, IF, Paleo, etc...

    Often people are in a calorie deficit BECAUSE they are LCHF. Their appetite is reduced and they crave fewer carbs, or their energy is steady and they don't need to eat as often, or their is the slight metabolic advantage.

    So yes, they are in a deficit but sometimes that deficit is able to exist because of the food choices made.

    Look, if it works, I have nothing against it...but the end result is the same ....caloric deficit. But like this image says at the bottom "The best diet is the one that fits your lifestyle" . I had this one girl feeling ashamed because she ate cereal that has sugar in it....I mean, if your at that point that your miserable because the cereal has sugar, your better off getting out of that diet. Too many people were fed into their brains many ridiculous myths.

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    I am following a LCHF diet, and I TRULY believe that at the end of the day the "Calorie In vs Calorie Out" model holds true. How you get there is your choice (Low Fat, Paleo, LCHF, etc..) from personal experience I lost 1-2 lbs/wk during a Low Fat diet, but once I switched to Low Carb diet I started losing 4lbs wk. Exercising must be included during the diet. Try one type of diet and pick the one that works the best for you. However let me say that LCHF lets you eat great food, no guilt with eating fat/meat, never hungry, full of energy...but thats just me! Try your own options.
  • Director5
    Director5 Posts: 9 Member
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    At the beginning of March I signed up for a 2 week challenge to do keto. It was so far out of my comfort zone as I've always said I LOVE carbs. But I told myself just stick with it for 2 weeks. Of course I wanted to lose weight but my main reason for trying it was because I'm hungry or craving something all the time. I stuck to it completely for 2 weeks. I lost about 9lbs (mostly water weight of course). But I was shocked, I really truly didn't have hunger pains like I usually do. I also tracked my calories and usually hit around 1,300. After the 2 weeks I have begun doing more low carb instead of being committed to keto. It's too restrictive for me to stick to permanently but I feel like the 2 weeks were a really good jump start for me.
    I'm no expert on it by any means but if you're curious about it maybe give yourself a time frame to stick to and try it. I will say the first couple of days were hard just fyi.
  • bpotts44
    bpotts44 Posts: 1,066 Member
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    I have tried keto and never felt full. Insulin helps you feel full. For me, if I keep my carbs moderate 30-50% of calories and avoid sugar then I feel best. I always eat carbs with a fat and a protein (think meat, potato, butter). I think you will long term have better results with food tracking and a moderate carb ratios than with keto. There are side effects to being very low carb especially for women so I suggest you look into that as well.
  • phrobbert
    phrobbert Posts: 47 Member
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    For me keto works because it keeps me from feeling hungry and doesn't require any planning, decisions or brains. Most of the stuff I would normally eat before I went keto has so many goddamn calories I've busted my allowance before lunch and by 1pm my gut is growling.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
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    bpotts44 wrote: »
    I have tried keto and never felt full. Insulin helps you feel full. For me, if I keep my carbs moderate 30-50% of calories and avoid sugar then I feel best. I always eat carbs with a fat and a protein (think meat, potato, butter). I think you will long term have better results with food tracking and a moderate carb ratios than with keto. There are side effects to being very low carb especially for women so I suggest you look into that as well.

    What are these side effects you write of?
  • DietPrada
    DietPrada Posts: 1,171 Member
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    psuLemon wrote: »
    Second, protein does stimulate insulin. In fact, it can stimulate insulin as much as many types of carbohydrates.

    Correction, EXCESS protein can be converted to glucose in your body. You have to eat a fair bit for this to happen though.

  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,868 Member
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    EbonyDahlia wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    Second, protein does stimulate insulin. In fact, it can stimulate insulin as much as many types of carbohydrates.

    Correction, EXCESS protein can be converted to glucose in your body. You have to eat a fair bit for this to happen though.

    He said it stimulates an insulin response...it doesn't have to be converted to glucose to stimulate an insulin response.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,401 MFP Moderator
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    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    EbonyDahlia wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    Second, protein does stimulate insulin. In fact, it can stimulate insulin as much as many types of carbohydrates.

    Correction, EXCESS protein can be converted to glucose in your body. You have to eat a fair bit for this to happen though.

    He said it stimulates an insulin response...it doesn't have to be converted to glucose to stimulate an insulin response.

    Correct. There actually was a PhD student that created the food insulin index. It seemed very interesting and its a shame that it didnt get continued post graduate.


    Also, there are also several studies that link insulin to satiety, which if really interested i can try to find again.

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